Oh noes teh sky is falling! - Page 37 - Blu-ray Forum

JTK · 11-01-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigB88

I wonder how many of these "denial" posts we will be seeing throughout the weekend. Seems to me we are always going to have the people who just don't know how business or consumer purchasing patterns work around here. Go ahead cut the throats of Blu-ray and stay in denial. You deserve everything you get.

You need to take your Ritalin or something.

sj001 · 11-01-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigB88

Of course its an inferior player!!! God, will you people get a clue, the HD-DVD camp has a strategy that they are employing, its called, "Dump my cheap crap on the market and have hundreds of thousands of uneducated suckers buy them all up, then go to the studios and point out that HD-DVD is truely NOT dead and that HD-DVD has a viable market for their product" We already know from watching Paramount that these studios will go to where the market/$ are. I see no such strategy or even a counter strategy from the BDA, because they have none, just keeping your overpriced player prices overpriced, isn't much of a strategy.

I think we have a clue, and Toshiba's strategy screams of desperation, it's too little to late man, sorry. IF BDA had no strategy, why are they leading 2 to 1 in software sales, how did they win Transformers week (slimly, but still a win)? Why all the gloom and doom? I certainly LOVE HD-DVD's strategy, fudging numbers, trying to confuse people, and giving firesales, but you know what, that has been going on for some time, and the end result, nada.

Smallville206 · 11-01-2007, 03:19 PM

It's amazing how many people refer to 1080i as junk. I think this player will sell well and I would like to see Blu counter this in some way.

Paladin · 11-01-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigB88

Of course its an inferior player!!! God, will you people get a clue, the HD-DVD camp has a strategy that they are employing, its called, "Dump my cheap crap on the market and have hundreds of thousands of uneducated suckers buy them all up, then go to the studios and point out that HD-DVD is truely NOT dead and that HD-DVD has a viable market for their product" We already know from watching Paramount that these studios will go to where the market/$ are. I see no such strategy or even a counter strategy from the BDA, because they have none, just keeping your overpriced player prices overpriced, isn't much of a strategy.

The can dump all the cheap crap on the market that they want. It won't override the pact that more PS3s have sold then all HD stand alone players combined. The studios aren't looking at player sales, they are looking at their own movie sales. If a studio is selling Blu Ray copies of their moves 2X or 3X over their HD DVD copies, what is their incentive to switch?

Watching Paramount has only shown us that studios can be greedy, and the bribe they got only lined their pockets and screwed their talent. Not every studio will be willing to do that.

Paladin

ussrelativity · 11-01-2007, 03:20 PM

The BDA better start fighting much harder. There are so many companies in the BDA as opposed to Toshiba.

BigB88 · 11-01-2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Terjyn

This is the same strategy they have employed all year.

It hasn't worked, and it isn't going to start now.

Why should the BDA respond to desperation? Give them a *real* threat, and maybe they'll bother to respond. (Transformers) Give them a firesale? They will laugh there ass off all the way to the bank as Toshiba loses even more money.

The firesale is a good thing for Blu, it makes Toshiba that much closer to spending all the spare cash they have and thus being forced to give up.

At $199 or $169 the strategy of doing NOTHING, won't work any more. That is the point some of these people are making here. The BDA has to lower prices, not by a lot, but they have to start to be more price competitive or HD-DVD will be around for a long long time and I really don't want to see that eventuality.

The Don · 11-01-2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JTK

You need to take your Ritalin or something.

no..I think he just needs some sleep and less caffeine..

thrlride · 11-01-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by radagast

I remember when Nintendo dropped the price of the Virtual Game Boy from $250.00 to $50.00. IIRC it dropped even further. The reason? They WEREN'T SELLING. AND Nintendo stopped making them.

I remember when the PS3 dropped from $600 to $500 after only a few months of sales.... oh wait.

Both may be entirely the same or entirely different. Your stance is convenient because you support BD.

The Don · 11-01-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BigB88

At $199 or $169 the strategy of doing NOTHING, won't work any more. That is the point some of these people are making here. The BDA has to lower prices, not by a lot, but they have to start to be more price competitive or HD-DVD will be around for a long long time and I really don't want to see that eventuality.

so the BDA has done nothing?...

and which format do you support again?

BigB88 · 11-01-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Paladin

Watching Paramount has only shown us that studios can be greedy, and the bribe they got only lined their pockets and screwed their talent. Not every studio will be willing to do that.

Paladin

Wanta bet?

Terjyn · 11-01-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BigB88

At $199 or $169 the strategy of doing NOTHING, won't work any more. That is the point some of these people are making here. The BDA has to lower prices, not by a lot, but they have to start to be more price competitive or HD-DVD will be around for a long long time and I really don't want to see that eventuality.

Sorry no. The 360 player has been 180$ for months. They haven't made a dent.

Just go ahead and try and tell me that the gamer crowd isn't as likely to buy this type of product as your average person.

The Don · 11-01-2007, 03:22 PM

PEOPLE....WAKE UP...

there aren't THAT MANY Toshiba A2 players left on the market...

Walmart is getting rid of stock here.....THAT'S ALL...

sj001 · 11-01-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don

so the BDA has done nothing?...

and which format do you support again?

My thoughts exactly...

Has he been keeping tracking of all the efforts of Disney/Fox/Sony, the advertising campaigns, anything at all?

Paladin · 11-01-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigB88

At $199 or $169 the strategy of doing NOTHING, won't work any more. That is the point some of these people are making here. The BDA has to lower prices, not by a lot, but they have to start to be more price competitive or HD-DVD will be around for a long long time and I really don't want to see that eventuality.

Get a grip and stop running around screaming "The Sky is falling."

When WB goes Blu Ray exclusive it will be the nail in HD DVD's coffin.

Paladin

owa · 11-01-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JTK

I wonder how many of these panic/doom and gloom threads we're going to see on through the weekend?

Who wants to bet the over or under on that?

The only reality that matters is this: People can buy the cheapest POS all the want but then they're going to be looking for movies to feed it.

They'll be looking at Spideys, Pirates, Pixar, Disney, Die Hards...and therein lies the rub.

I think Disney is key especially for the Walmart crowd. Even if the consumer doesn't know that the HD DVD player they're buying can't play blu-ray Disney movies, once they find out they'll be mostly using the player for SD Disney movies. So, while I think the cheaper player will help HD DVD some, I don't think it'll help as much as some think. Basically, I just don't think it'll be used for hi-def all that much especially after a lot of them connect it to their old TV and don't notice a difference between HD and SD (i.e. why pay more for the HD media when SD media is so much cheaper).

The Don · 11-01-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigB88

Wanta bet?

not every studio has such little integrity as Paramount...

otherwise MS would have bought out all of these companies...

thrlride · 11-01-2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SS316SRV

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5154

read the Insiders Thread. You will learn a lot of good stuff.

I was looking for something official. A press release or something. I don't know wicky other than him being one in charge here so I would put much more weight in something I can read on an official site.

sj001 · 11-01-2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BigB88

Wanta bet?

Yes, I'll bet, because Warner already was offered the line and bait, and told Toshiba to go stuff it!

elwaylite · 11-01-2007, 03:24 PM

I AM a BD supporter, but at the end of the day I want as MANY movies as possible in HD.

Ive been planning to buy an A3 for awhile, but this is great. That way if HDDVD fails, Im only out $100.

Ill still continue to buy co releases on BD to give as much support to BD as I can.

The Don · 11-01-2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sj001

My thoughts exactly...

Has he been keeping tracking of all the efforts of Disney/Fox/Sony, the advertising campaigns, anything at all?

he's a clown....I wish we had an ignore function..

11-01-2007, 03:19 PM	#723
Smallville206 Active Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Seattle, Washington	It's amazing how many people refer to 1080i as junk. I think this player will sell well and I would like to see Blu counter this in some way.

11-01-2007, 03:20 PM	#725
ussrelativity Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007	The BDA better start fighting much harder. There are so many companies in the BDA as opposed to Toshiba.

11-01-2007, 03:22 PM	#732
The Don Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Apr 2006 Blu-ray reviews:12 Trading Score:2	PEOPLE....WAKE UP... there aren't THAT MANY Toshiba A2 players left on the market... Walmart is getting rid of stock here.....THAT'S ALL...

11-01-2007, 03:24 PM	#739
elwaylite Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Mar 2007	I AM a BD supporter, but at the end of the day I want as MANY movies as possible in HD. Ive been planning to buy an A3 for awhile, but this is great. That way if HDDVD fails, Im only out $100. Ill still continue to buy co releases on BD to give as much support to BD as I can.

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