Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[JasonHensley]

Just to state my original point again.

I have no problem with streaming. I pay for Netflix at the moment. What I have a problem with is people wanting or supporting digital movies. IMO, you're paying the same price as a physical disc for something the studios don't technically want you to have ownership over. You're reliant on even more technology just to have a substantial digital collection. There is no resell value, at all, with digital movies. Where I live, Internet options can still be very limited in areas and I currently only have DSL. Movies are made for a bigger screen so being able to view them on a phone or tablet has little appeal. And, as stated before, if I'm paying for a movie to add to my collection, I want to actually own it. Being reliant to have an Internet connection, up to date computer software, enough storage, or reliant on cloud storage isn't anything I would ever find more convenient than a TV, bluray player, and a disc. I'll always purchase the movies I want on a physical format. Redbox and streaming will be used for movies I may be curious to see but don't care to own.

[xander]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

I am not using a condescending tone. I am simply pointing out consumer behavior. Again, if you are so compelled, watch some documentaries on consumerism. It's eye opening. I am just trying to challenge people to think differently and unplug from blind consumerism. You really should not take offense. I enjoy movies just as much as the next person. But every time I mention that I am enjoying streaming more than physical media, the elitists come out and suggest that I am stupid or making a bad decision.

You call everyone else elitist, yet make it sound like you've ascended to some higher plain of human behavior by moving to streaming. Just LOL. Unless you're stealing your movies, it's still consumerism.

Enjoy. I don't eat McDonalds anymore but I'm off to the website to tell fans how I've moved on to Chipotle.

[Chiefy]

Streaming for when I visit family is incredibly convenient. I still prefer physical media, but I prefer not to lug it around when traveling. The downside is that you really don't "own" your movies/shows, and you can't resell them, or if the provider goes out of business, you're hosed. Same goes if they no longer hold the rights to some titles, or if they change their business model and no longer support streaming 1.0 when they move onto 2.0 Then you're up $#!ts creek without a paddle. What if UV, iTunes or Google changes their terms of service to charge a "storage" and "per view" fee in the future? Studios are in the business of making money by selling and reselling movies over and over again. Also, if you die, your collection dies with you unless you've shared your login with someone.

Physical media, while being superior also has its limitations, although much less pronounced. Studios and hardware manufacturers practice planned obsolescence to force you to move on to the next and best format and tech. DVD's have been clinging on much longer than they probably planned for, as they're still hot sellers with casual viewers; but not nearly as profitable as when they sold for much more. I'm realistic in that I see the digital content I own as rentals to enjoy now. Everything I've said is nothing new around here.

[BuckNaked2k]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

Try getting rid of all of your blu rays. Can you do it? Will it cause you stress? Is your collection huge in number?

....and here I thought I was on the Blu-ray.com forum.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by xander

You call everyone else elitist, yet make it sound like you've ascended to some higher plain of human behavior by moving to streaming. Just LOL. Unless you're stealing your movies, it's still consumerism.

Enjoy. I don't eat McDonalds anymore but I'm off to the website to tell fans how I've moved on to Chipotle.

So by your logic, documentaries and books about consumerism are just made by elitists who claim to be at some higher plain. I don't think that about myself at all. It's just sad to me when come election time, so few come out to vote but on Black Friday, people will line up for hours in the cold to then trample one another to buy stuff. Just imagine what the owners of Walmart, the Waltons think when they see the footage on Thanksgiving day as people trample each other to buy their crap. They must laugh at all the mindless sheep who willingly do this with smiles on their faces. I'm sorry but it's just sad.

[42041]

Well, to be honest, for national elections your time is better spent at Wal-Mart than at a voting booth, but that's neither here nor there

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by Chiefy

Streaming for when I visit family is incredibly convenient. I still prefer physical media, but I prefer not to lug it around when traveling. The downside is that you really don't "own" your movies/shows, and you can't resell them, or if the provider goes out of business, you're hosed. Same goes if they no longer hold the rights to some titles, or if they change their business model and no longer support streaming 1.0 when they move onto 2.0 Then you're up $#!ts creek without a paddle. What if UV, iTunes or Google changes their terms of service to charge a "storage" and "per view" fee in the future? Studios are in the business of making money by selling and reselling movies over and over again. Also, if you die, your collection dies with you unless you've shared your login with someone.

Physical media, while being superior also has its limitations, although much less pronounced. Studios and hardware manufacturers practice planned obsolescence to force you to move on to the next and best format and tech. DVD's have been clinging on much longer than they probably planned for, as they're still hot sellers with casual viewers; but not nearly as profitable as when they sold for much more. I'm realistic in that I see the digital content I own as rentals to enjoy now. Everything I've said is nothing new around here.

Well said. All of the things you said could happen, but I think the studios know that any one of those scenarios would infuriate the consumer and would be bad for business. Those are all hypothetical scenarios but we will see I guess.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by 42041

Well, to be honest, for national elections your time is better spent at Wal-Mart than at a voting booth, but that's neither here nor there

Possibly, but people should still vote.

[schlock]

I wish I could have my last 5 pages of life back.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by schlock

I wish I could have my last 5 pages of life back.

I think this was a rather good debate and I enjoyed it. Thanks to those who responded. I take no offense to those who disagree. No one is forcing you to be here. The only thing we have is conversation. It's the only way to spread ideas.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

I think this was a rather good debate and I enjoyed it. Thanks to those who responded. I take no offense to those who disagree. No one is forcing you to be here. The only thing we have is conversation. It's the only way to spread ideas.

What are you even doing on a Blu-Ray site/forum

[b_l_u]

I live way out in the boonies where my net connection is always bad and some days I have no connection at all. No I cant change providers because there is only the one.

I cut the cord years ago and where I live I can only get one public TV station. Blu's are my main source for watching movies and that is why I will stick to physical media.

Also, I did have Netflix for one month and the quality was so bad it was not worth it.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by mredman

What are you even doing on a Blu-Ray site/forum

I do buy blu rays. I have a few. Just because I stream, it doesn't mean I don't buy blu rays. The topic is the state of physical media. What are we supposed to talk about? The consistency of plastic used in a blu ray disc?

[ZeTi]

But i rarely, if ever, see Yakuza, Poliziotteschi, Gialli, Spaghetti-Western, HK Bloodshed on any streaming-site, so i am very reliant on physical discs.

[gates70]

Originally Posted by schlock

I wish I could have my last 5 pages of life back.

Yeah seriously. I just read the last 7 pages. Collecting is hoarding now ? Stress ? I collect movies, statues and movie memorabilia, so I must be a hoarder ....and please let's stop the comparisons to digital games. Apples to oranges. Games you get the same quality and all that regardless of how you buy it, Blu and streaming is totally different quality wise.

[Nada]

Originally Posted by b_l_u

I live way out in the boonies where my net connection is always bad and some days I have no connection at all. No I cant change providers because there is only the one.

I cut the cord years ago and where I live I can only get one public TV station. Blu's are my main source for watching movies and that is why I will stick to physical media.

Also, I did have Netflix for one month and the quality was so bad it was not worth it.

More people are in your position than most realize.

[thegrunter]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

When they had their Nook app for iPad (before they took it down and replaced it with a B&N app), it was advertised in the description that they would give you 5 free ebooks once you downloaded the app and signed up through it for a new B&N account. After doing that I only got 2 free ebooks. After calling up B&N they told me it was an old promo (which it didn't state anywhere in the description that it had an expiration date). To which I pointed out that if it's in the advertisement, they have to honor it. The guy told me he wouldn't. I asked to speak to a supervisor, he transferred me to one. The supervisor said the same thing, that he wouldn't honor it.

That's false advertising. Even if it's a mistake, if it's in the advertising they must honor it under the law. But they refused, because they are an evil "bait and switch" company.

The guy was like "It was a free app, you didn't lose anything" to which I replied "But I pay for the bandwidth that I used to download your app. Your download caused my bandwidth to go slightly up and that counts against my monthly limit" and he told me to just go away, and he wasn't going to honor the advertising. I told him I'd tell everyone B&N is dishonest, and he told me to do whatever I wanted because it wouldn't hurt them one bit. With a very snobbish tone in his voice.

Oh, that's rich.

I just love entitled consumer stories. Endlessly hilarious.

[NzYme]

I'm going to chime in on this topic. It seems like corporations and government are slowly pushing us into an era where consumers don't own anything. Your constantly renting or leasing something. That's why I like physical media. Once I buy it...I OWN IT. There's no policy change that's going to affect my purchase.

[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by NzYme

I'm going to chime in on this topic. It seems like corporations and government are slowly pushing us into an era where consumers don't own anything. Your constantly renting or leasing something. That's why I like physical media. Once I buy it...I OWN IT. There's no policy change that's going to affect my purchase.

All businesses that sell easily digitized intellectual property want to remove the analog loophole of physical ownership. It underlies much of the corporate agenda for music and movies. Completely controlled content in the digital domain has always been the primary end goal.

[JasonHensley]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

All businesses that sell easily digitized intellectual property want to remove the analog loophole of physical ownership. It underlies much of the corporate agenda for music and movies. Completely controlled content in the digital domain has always been the primary end goal.

What's sad is that there is a generation that's actually supporting it.