Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Groot]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Um no, where did you hear or see this manure?

Not necessarily on the internet access. ISPs have issues all the time and it has nothing to do with power.

I was speaking for myself, not others, in regards to internet. I've had my internet go down once since switching back to cable internet. I have issues with power during thunderstorms every couple weeks.

iTunes HD digital movies are normally 1080P, how is this different than Blu?

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Groot

I was speaking for myself, not others, in regards to internet. I've had my internet go down once since switching back to cable internet. I have issues with power during thunderstorms every couple weeks.

iTunes HD digital movies are normally 1080P, how is this different than Blu?

You seriously gotta ask that

[hamchuck1]

Originally Posted by CelestialAgent

Nope, I know plenty of people who watch the same thing over and over.

Whereas I'm a younger person with a watchlist with 700 (and growing) films on it so rewatching is something I barely even consider (although there is a Back to the Future anniversary coming up, so...)

There are so many older movies I love to rewatch and on average there seems to be about 5-7 new movies each year that I could see myself rewatching over and over again. In about 10 years I wont have any time to rewatch anything. And I don't/won't even have kids.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Groot

I was speaking for myself, not others, in regards to internet. I've had my internet go down once since switching back to cable internet. I have issues with power during thunderstorms every couple weeks.

iTunes HD digital movies are normally 1080P, how is this different than Blu?

Very different. Even with the fastest internet of 30 Mbps or more you still get plenty of compression artifacts. You also don't get lossless audio. Most of the time you're going to get DD 5.1 or DD+ at best. Then of course you miss out on any on disc extras. Furthermore, many titles either don't have subtitles or they have the subtitles with those ridiculous black boxes around the text.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by mredman

You seriously gotta ask that

Since 2012 the appearance of compression artifacts have been greatly reduced OR are non-existent. Show me a current difference?

[Groot]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Very different. Even with the fastest internet of 30 Mbps or more you still get plenty of compression artifacts. You also don't get lossless audio. Most of the time you're going to get DD 5.1 or DD+ at best. Then of course you miss out on any on disc extras. Furthermore, many titles either don't have subtitles or they have the subtitles with those ridiculous black boxes around the text.

That's assuming you aren't downloading the film vs streaming it. I stream daily and do not encounter any of these issues regardless. A lot of times you do get the same disc extras (which themselves are shifting more and more to online bonus extras even with the blu) so that's a non-issue too.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Groot

That's assuming you aren't downloading the film vs streaming it. I stream daily and do not encounter any of these issues regardless. A lot of times you do get the same disc extras (which themselves are shifting more and more to online bonus extras even with the blu) so that's a non-issue too.

Look, the difference is monumental in both PQ and AQ. I have done various comparisons even recently from proper seating distances and it's no comparison even with 1080p streams/downloads. BD eats both streaming and downloads alive.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Groot

That's assuming you aren't downloading the film vs streaming it. I stream daily and do not encounter any of these issues regardless. A lot of times you do get the same disc extras (which themselves are shifting more and more to online bonus extras even with the blu) so that's a non-issue too.

iTunes might be getting most of the extras but most of the other streaming services don't even offer the extras for most of the titles.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Look, the difference is monumental in both PQ and AQ. I have done various comparisons even recently from proper seating distances and it's no comparison even with 1080p streams/downloads. BD eats both streaming and downloads alive.

Not in this house, but that's why it's so super-awesome that people can do what they want and works for them. I stream'd Netflix all weekend for Longmire on my 70 inch Sharp in my living room and it matched the same quality the blu's have of the show. I've streamed movies like Nightcrawler from Netflix from my epson projector home theater and it looked great.

My blus and dvds are miraculously still in my house to view too.

[42041]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Very different. Even with the fastest internet of 30 Mbps or more you still get plenty of compression artifacts. You also don't get lossless audio. Most of the time you're going to get DD 5.1 or DD+ at best. Then of course you miss out on any on disc extras. Furthermore, many titles either don't have subtitles or they have the subtitles with those ridiculous black boxes around the text.

That would be an issue with the service. If someone is willing to pre-load a ~30GB file (or can actually sustain 30mbps for the length of the film) there's no reason it can't have blu-ray grade compression and lossless audio.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by 42041

That would be an issue with the service. If someone is willing to pre-load a ~30GB file (or can actually sustain 30mbps for the length of the film) there's no reason it can't have blu-ray grade compression and lossless audio.

Exactly, that's why it's always better to have the disc. You can also do what I do and rip the raw .m2ts from the BDs and play that over your network.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Groot

It's not just streaming, but buying digital. You get the same quality as the disc in almost all cases. If my internet is out so is my power, so having the disc is no help.

Nonsense. Digital downloads offer nowhere close to the same quality level of blu-ray, unless something has gone horribly wrong with the blu-ray release.

Also, internet can go down without losing power. It seems to happen to me every couple months for a couple hours. Internet goes out, power is fine. They are different companies, you know.

[Member-222782]

Originally Posted by chip75

eventually it's going to be a very small minority of buyers that want physical products over digital ones.

I don't think anyone is taking into consideration TV screen sizes (or projection systems for that matter) when talking about whether or not physical media will be alive or dead in the foreseeable future. Does streaming PQ decrease as screen sizes increase? People are assuming that everyone is going to want to watch movies on tiny personal devices and not big screen TVs at home. Personally I don't want to have to deal with pixelization, macroblocking, jagged edges or any of those potential streaming issues on top of bandwith limitations and spotty internet service. I'm talking about adopting streaming for disposable movies, not big budget epics or classic films, which I NEVER plan on streaming. TV manufacturers must be on pins and needles if Hollywood really is trying to forcefully popularize movie watching on personal gadgets instead of big screen TVs.

[Jumpman]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

iTunes might be getting most of the extras but most of the other streaming services don't even offer the extras for most of the titles.

iTunes tends to get all extras, 90% of the time now. Hell, Fox is including audio commentaries with their Digital HD releases.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by 42041

That would be an issue with the service. If someone is willing to pre-load a ~30GB file (or can actually sustain 30mbps for the length of the film) there's no reason it can't have blu-ray grade compression and lossless audio.

This is obvious. If I were to stream an m2ts blu-ray file from the internet, big surprise - it's going to look like a blu-ray. But how many streaming sites offer that level of quality? How many people are going to stream a 30GB movie?

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by mar3o

This is obvious. If I were to stream an m2ts blu-ray file from the internet, big surprise - it's going to look like a blu-ray. But how many streaming sites offer that level of quality? How many people are going to stream a 30GB movie?

As I said, that's why I did it over my own network. You get a small amount of compression artifacts going from the external hard drive, to the router, and then to the BD player, but it still looks much better than a HD or HDX download feed from all of the online services. The best part is that the lossless audio is completely intact.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by mar3o

This is obvious. If I were to stream an m2ts blu-ray file from the internet, big surprise - it's going to look like a blu-ray. But how many streaming sites offer that level of quality? How many people are going to stream a 30GB movie?

The real question is, how many people are sitting around concerned with minor PQ issues for most films? Not many. A goodmajority of the public still thinks dvds are a good option PQ wise.

[42041]

Originally Posted by mar3o

This is obvious. If I were to stream an m2ts blu-ray file from the internet, big surprise - it's going to look like a blu-ray. But how many streaming sites offer that level of quality? How many people are going to stream a 30GB movie?

I don't know. If there was a service like that, I would use it, but I can't speak for anyone else. I'm looking at what's down the road, not just the immediate present - the online distribution market will certainly continue to evolve as it grows.

[TheProf89]

The simplest way to put this is buying digital means virtual renting. You don't own anything, all you need is a company to go under, for there to be a music rights issue and that film goes poof. Ask anyone who originally bought Orwell on Kindle.

There are features with iTunes Extra but those are few and far between and not with many films. Also you don't get everything.

Aside from internet issues, buffering, lack of quality and the fact that you pretty much own zilch I am baffled by how many people fall for it.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Groot

The real question is, how many people are sitting around concerned with minor PQ issues for most films? Not many. A goodmajority of the public still thinks dvds are a good option PQ wise.

True, but how many of those people have ever owned a Blu-ray player and Blu-rays? They just don't know there is a difference because they haven't seen it.