Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by BigB88

Last time I checked all the talent was staying put? What talent are you referring to and where are they going? I don't see any talent aligned with their current studio leaving because of the HD market. I think you are assuming quite a lot here.

I guess you missed Michael Bay's initial reaction to the agreement. It does hurt their image, and it also hurts their continual relationship with the talent. You won't see something right away, contractual agreements have to be met. It will mater in the future.

Paladin

[owa]

Originally Posted by The Big Blue

Good God.

I think I'd rather have the 300 grain threads at this point.

Ain't that the truth.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by BigB88

Answer 1: YES

Answer 2: At $499!!! Come on, who is going to buy this, I'd rather get a $399 PS3

Answer 3: At almost $40 a title!! Who sis going to buy this?

Answer 4: The top 3 answers.

And no, I don't have the numbers yet, let's just wait until Toshiba dumps their 600,000 crappy players on to the market at $170, then we can talk numbers and statistics.

your points are all opinionated and speculation...

none of them are facts...there are actually cheaper Blu-ray players available than the PS3 right now...depending on where you go....kind of like walmart doing their own thing with the sub 100.00 A2 player that is a CLEARANCE ITEM...

$40 a title?....HD DVD's average price for a movie is actually higher because of the "combo discs"


okay...now I'm going to put you on ignore...

[sj001]

Originally Posted by BigB88

Answer 1: YES


Answer 2: At $499!!! Come on, who is going to buy this, I'd rather get a $399 PS3


Answer 3: At almost $40 a title!! Who sis going to buy this?

Answer 4: The top 3 answers.

And no, I don't have the numbers yet, let's just wait until Toshiba dumps their 600,000 crappy players on to the market at $170, then we can talk numbers and statistics.

1 - Oh...sure, ok.
2 - I'm actually pretty sure that's MSRP, street will likely be more like $400 or so.
3 - $40, where are you buying your stuff? You can get most FOX titles from Amazon for about $25. But, come on, like combo HD-DVDs are priced so well, and have to be boiled half the time to work?
4 - Um, that really doesn't answer the immediate question.
That's wild speculation.

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by kjack

This will most likely simply set the consumer-expected price point for any new HD DVD players at $100-$200, hurting future player sales.

+1 - and how many CEs do you think will want to join at that price point? None.

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by thrlride

I was looking for something official. A press release or something. I don't know wicky other than him being one in charge here so I would put much more weight in something I can read on an official site.

Where do you work? I work for one of the largest wholesalers in the world. Rule #1: Never make your buy costs known. If you make your buy costs public, then people will want to buy the product from you at the price you paid for it, or close to it. If your competitors know that you pay less for the the product than they do, they will want it at that cost. If your shareholders know that you buy at $140 but are selling at $98, thus losing $40,000,000 in the process, your stock will suffer. Wicky might know the sell cost by Tosh to WM. You will never see an official press release saying what the buy cost for a product is - EVER.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by BigB88

And no, I don't have the numbers yet, let's just wait until Toshiba dumps their 600,000 crappy players on to the market at $170, then we can talk numbers and statistics.

Yea, lets talk statistics. If someone price point is strictly money, then they really don't care about visual quality. So if someone is going to go cheap on the player, and get the discounted player, what do you think they'll do when it comes to the movies?

Get the $30.00 HD DVD movie or the $20.00 DvD?

People who buy cheap, buy cheap. To them an up converted DvD will be just as good as a HD DVD, and cheaper.

What will decide the war is the SALES of the MOVIES, not the players. As long as Blu Ray keeps the edge in sales, it wins. HD DVD couldn't even beat Blu Ray with Transformers.

Paladin

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

Where do you work? I work for one of the largest wholesalers in the world. Rule #1: Never make your buy costs known. If you make your buy costs public, then people will want to buy the product from you at the price you paid for it, or close to it. If your competitors know that you pay less for the the product than they do, they will want it at that cost. If your shareholders know that you buy at $140 but are selling at $98, thus losing $40,000,000 in the process, your stock will suffer. Wicky might know the sell cost by Tosh to WM. You will never see an official press release saying what the buy cost for a product is - EVER.

Just trying to understand where the fact was coming from. Obviously it's just FUD if it's not known.

[BigB88]

Originally Posted by Paladin

I guess you missed Michael Bay's initial reaction to the agreement. It does hurt their image, and it also hurts their continual relationship with the talent. You won't see something right away, contractual agreements have to be met. It will mater in the future.

Paladin

Well I certainly saw his retraction the next day. I don't think this proves that a lot of talent will be moving because of HD and with $150m in their pocket, they would care less about what their image looks like at this moment. I mean didn't they also say they sold 190,000 copies of TF the first week, which was simply a lie. They don't care, they only care about the money and I think you'll find that ALL the studios are the same in this regard. Money first..... everything else later.

[Rike255]

Originally Posted by scook

$98 is the "secret friday sale", I just feel bad for the average joes that think they are getting a HD player and in actuality there getting a paper weight.

How many people are going to buy this player, then they go to buy Spiderman, or Pirates, or the Simpsons, or any kids movie and say "What the hell do you mean I bought this $100 player that doesn't play any movies?" Then someone will say "Bbbut you can buy Transformers...and with that player it'll look just like it did on DVD!!"

[Kyot]

Simply put, If you are spending thousands of dollars on making your own personal home theatre, you want the best there is.

Why would you add a $100 HD DVD player to that experience? You will want to buy a blu ray player that has 1080p and not 1080i, and you would be willing to spend more money on that.

People have the problem of seeing low prices and then they wet themselves. Then they take it home and realize its not that great.

[Trebar]

Must resist $98 player....muuuust reeeesist.

Lol. C'mon Sony, you know you want to drop a bomb on us next week and give us a big Black Friday sale. Pwwweeeease!

[mdm1699]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

+1 - and how many CEs do you think will want to join at that price point? None.

Good luck even getting them to bite on the 1080P HD-DVD player. Toshiba may as well scrap those and just sell the entry level 1080i.

[Rumar 4U]

Originally Posted by BigB88

Answer 1: YES

Answer 2: At $499!!! Come on, who is going to buy this, I'd rather get a $399 PS3

Answer 3: At almost $40 a title!! Who sis going to buy this?

Answer 4: The top 3 answers.

And no, I don't have the numbers yet, let's just wait until Toshiba dumps their 600,000 crappy players on to the market at $170, then we can talk numbers and statistics.

People dont care much about the players, if the format war is decided by players alone then already the PS3 won, but if people want the ultimate experience, they gotta pay for it, as far as im concerned people could care less about profiles but rather they care the most about VIDEO and AUDIO

but as i was telling before we are "early" adopters as we also can say the BETA testers for a more advanced and superior format, so companies can know what we as clients want, formats are not gonna win, its the MOVIES and titles backed up by huge commited companies as Disney etc...

People buy titles, not nearly half of Digital Media owners in the world know what the hell is behind their DVD players and certainly they wont care for HD neither they just walk to the store and ask for HD to see some titles they like and the salesperson will guide them. Simple as they dont wanna be geek like us, plain and simple

[BigB88]

Originally Posted by The Don

your points are all opinionated and speculation...

none of them are facts...there are actually cheaper Blu-ray players available than the PS3 right now...depending on where you go....kind of like walmart doing their own thing with the sub 100.00 A2 player that is a CLEARANCE ITEM...

$40 a title?....HD DVD's average price for a movie is actually higher because of the "combo discs"


okay...now I'm going to put you on ignore...

Umm, $499 was the price Panasonic set for their new player, not opinion.. fact

$39.95 are prices seen at BB and CC on Fox titles, I ain't buying them and as it looks not many others are either, yes, I can get them cheaper elsewhere, but they are still overpriced compared to other BD studios, not opinion .. fact and I don't think Blu-ray is going to sell a lot of $299 Open box players.. fact

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by BigB88

Well I certainly saw his retraction the next day. I don't think this proves that a lot of talent will be moving because of HD and with $150m in their pocket, they would care less about what their image looks like at this moment. I mean didn't they also say they sold 190,000 copies of TF the first week, which was simply a lie. They don't care, they only care about the money and I think you'll find that ALL the studios are the same in this regard. Money first..... everything else later.

Money first is true.

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by Trolling2

So would you say the same about the PS3. Hmm, my guess is that you will not. Do you know how much Sony dumps on every PS3 sold?? Even with that, 2 price cuts in the 1st year, HUGE loses. It is what you do to compete. So based on that, would you say the PS3 is getting it's ass kicked and it's more aggressive pricing is just desperation?? But all this is just good for the consumer. I finaly plan on getting the $399 PS3 this XMAS..

1: Thank you for trolling (its in his name for Christsakes), I will see you later.

2: The price to manufactur and overhead expenses may have gone down over time. The increase in profits may have made the price cuts acceptable. They were not HUGE price cuts either. They weren't $200+ price cuts like on the A2. The $400 PS3 has less capabilities and a smaller harddrive - thus making the costs in production lower and mkaing the lower price more accpetable. Although, Sony may be selling at a loss in order to compete, I am not privey to that information.

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by thrlride

Just trying to understand where the fact was coming from. Obviously it's just FUD if it's not known.

Your opinion. You will never find official press releases regard business status, especially with sell-at-loss techniques.

[arm711]

Originally Posted by Spankey

The $98 dollar HD-DVD players are also being offered the same week Disney is advertising Cars, Ratatouille, and Pirates. Think people will buuy a cheapo player thinking they can play Disney Blu-ray on them?

Key word being Cheapo and as good as that lineup is they will see Transformers and Shrek the 3rd next to those CHEAP players. Those two movies finished in the top 3 box office. There is reason for concern and I hope that they learn from the Wii and 360 vs PS3 that sometimes better hardware and higher price doesn't translate into better sales because comapanies like Warners and every other company is concerned with is revenue and if those players coupled with those 2 blockbusters start flying off the shelves Blu Ray will have some serious issues maintaining that cushy 2 to 1 software sale ratio. Look all I want for X Mas is Blu Ray to come out on top (well that and Drakes Uncharted, Haze, GH3, Assassins Creed... I could go on) so please BDA $150 entry players at Walmart... Seal the deal.

[BigB88]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Yea, lets talk statistics. If someone price point is strictly money, then they really don't care about visual quality. So if someone is going to go cheap on the player, and get the discounted player, what do you think they'll do when it comes to the movies?

Get the $30.00 HD DVD movie or the $20.00 DvD?

People who buy cheap, buy cheap. To them an up converted DvD will be just as good as a HD DVD, and cheaper.

What will decide the war is the SALES of the MOVIES, not the players. As long as Blu Ray keeps the edge in sales, it wins. HD DVD couldn't even beat Blu Ray with Transformers.

Paladin

Exactly... Sales of software (Movies) will determine who wins this war. But to execute the software (Play the movie), you need to appropriate hardware, therefore you have a key dependency... The player or a device which will execute the software. So taking this logic, players will determine how much software can possibly be sold, therefore Player prices, which to some extent drive the purchase of these players will have direct impact on sales of the software (Movies).