Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

But we ain't talking about sport, we are talking about movies.

No, we're talking about the demand for televisions and your belief that this demand will simply evaporate.

And all the different ways people use their televisions are relevant to that discussion.

Sports is a huge market and people like watching sports on big screens.

There's no way around that.

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by 42041

An DRM-free unprotected file is arguably more "physical" than the stuff on an encrypted blu-ray disc, in the sense that your ownership of it is total. You could carve the 1s and 0s on clay tablets if you want. To get anything useful off a bluray you need a licensed player or illegal software.

Now you're just grasping at straws. Bly-ray Discs can still be resold, or given away to friends/family. It doesn't matter if there is DRM on the disc themselves. They still offer more freedom than a DRM-encrypted file.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

It's still an encrypted, DRM file though. So it's not tangible because you can't resell it.

I can't sell my sisters either but I'm pretty sure they're tangible.

For instance, if one of them read this and smacked me in the head I'm pretty sure I would feel it.

In fact, I'm quite sure.

Originally Posted by Scarface32

Now you're just grasping at straws. Bly-ray Discs can still be resold, or given away to friends/family. It doesn't matter if there is DRM on the disc themselves. They still offer more freedom than a DRM-encrypted file.

Those considerations might make digital files stored in one way more appealing or desirable than digital files stored in some other but that has nothing to with whether one set of digital files is more real or tangible than the other.

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by octagon

I can't sell my sisters either but I'm pretty sure they're tangible.

For instance, if one of them read this and smacked me in the head I'm pretty sure I would feel it.

In fact, I'm quite sure.

Everything can be sold on the black market
(except DRM-encrypted files)

[mredman]

Originally Posted by 42041

An DRM-free unprotected file is arguably more "physical" than the stuff on an encrypted blu-ray disc, in the sense that your ownership of it is total. You could carve the 1s and 0s on clay tablets if you want. To get anything useful off a bluray you need a licensed player or illegal software.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

I can't sell my sisters either but I'm pretty sure they're tangible.

For instance, if one of them read this and smacked me in the head I'm pretty sure I would feel it.

In fact, I'm quite sure.



Those considerations might make digital files stored in one way more appealing or desirable than digital files stored in some other but that has nothing to with whether one set of digital files is more real or tangible than the other.

Any chance I can fly over and smack you in the head?

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

Now you're just grasping at straws. Bly-ray Discs can still be resold, or given away to friends/family. It doesn't matter if there is DRM on the disc themselves. They still offer more freedom than a DRM-encrypted file.

This^^^

[Groot]

At this point it seems the concern has shifted from PQ to resell ability? My question is why are so many people buying and flipping movies that it is such a concern?

[42041]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

Now you're just grasping at straws. Bly-ray Discs can still be resold, or given away to friends/family. It doesn't matter if there is DRM on the disc themselves. They still offer more freedom than a DRM-encrypted file.

Sure, you can resell or give away any file (precisely the reason companies love DRM, ya know) - it's just usually not worth any money.

Can you make a back up of a blu-ray? Not legally. Can you play it on a non-HDCP compliant display (not really a problem these days, but was a big one for me early on in the format's life)? Not legally. Can you skip the menus, or copy it to your phone to watch on that? Not legally. And so on. What you can legally do with your blu-ray is play it in a blu-ray player.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Any chance I can fly over and smack you in the head?

You'd better hurry. People do a lot of business and stuff over the net now so planes are probably going to disappear soon.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

You'd better hurry. People do a lot of business and stuff over the net now so planes are probably going to disappear soon.

Very good.

[Frostmeister]

Originally Posted by 42041

Sure, you can resell or give away any file (precisely the reason companies love DRM, ya know) - it's just usually not worth any money.

Can you make a back up of a blu-ray? Not legally. Can you play it on a non-HDCP compliant display (not really a problem these days, but was a big one for me early on in the format's life)? Not legally. Can you skip the menus, or copy it to your phone to watch on that? Not legally. And so on. What you can legally do with your blu-ray is play it in a blu-ray player.

I think the point is, you can buy any blu Ray at any store, and it will work in any player. Whether you buy a blu Ray from Best Buy, target, FYE, Frys, the supermarket, flea market, etc., they will all play on your one bluray player. If your Samsung breaks and you replace it with an Oppo, guess what? Everything still works. If blu Ray gets phased out, the market is flooded with players, that you would never have to worry about getting a machine to play your discs, which will still work probably for your lifetime.

With digital, you buy from Apple, you have to play it on Apple. If you buy on UV, there are only a handful of placed that support the format. Amazon, Vudu, Apple, etc all cannot be played on the same platform. There is no digital standard. It's a mess. It is worse that the format war. One day you may need separate set top boxes for Apple, Amazon, Vudu, Netflix, etc. Amazon just anounced they will stop selling Apple TVs and Chromecast in a push to force people to use Amazon digital service. While I prefer physical, digital could be way more successful, if they actually tried. In a sense, it is a good thing for people who prefer physical.

[42041]

Originally Posted by Frostmeister

I think the point is, you can buy any blu Ray at any store, and it will work in any player. Whether you buy a blu Ray from Best Buy, target, FYE, Frys, the supermarket, flea market, etc., they will all play on your one bluray player. If your Samsung breaks and you replace it with an Oppo, guess what? Everything still works. If blu Ray gets phased out, the market is flooded with players, that you would never have to worry about getting a machine to play your discs, which will still work probably for your lifetime.

I'm strictly talking about DRM-free downloads. There's plenty for audio, but I'm not aware of any that sell video yet. Obviously, media that is locked to a service and/or has to phone home to play is only tenuously yours and is less than ideal as far as "ownership" goes (though services like Steam show that locked-down distribution can also be very consumer-friendly if it's not run by short-sighted idiots).

[BuckNaked2k]

Nevermind Blu-ray or DVD. I'm predicting a big comeback for DivX!

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by BuckNaked2k

Nevermind Blu-ray or DVD. I'm predicting a big comeback for DivX!

Lol, except Circuit City is gone now. I guess it would have to be Best Buy who brings it back.

[BuckNaked2k]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Lol, except Circuit City is gone now. I guess it would have to be Best Buy who brings it back.

I'm also predicting a big comeback for Circuit City!

[Lyle_JP]

Originally Posted by BuckNaked2k

Nevermind Blu-ray or DVD. I'm predicting a big comeback for DivX!

DivX =/= DIVX

DIVX = Failed pay-per-view disc scheme cooked up by Circuit City and heavily supported by Fox Video and Disney

DivX = A popular (though aged) MPEG-4 ASP video codec. (It is also a company that markets said ASP codec plus a few decoders of their own design, and which licenses/certifies hardware devices for DivX compatibility).

[Jake2104]

Do you guys think blu rays are still worth buying today in this day in age with 4K blu Ray, streaming and downloads are the corner? I'm in the process of reevaluating my stance on buying any more blus

[dadaluholla]

Originally Posted by Jake2104

Do you guys think blu rays are still worth buying today in this day in age with 4K blu Ray, streaming and downloads are the corner? I'm in the process of reevaluating my stance on buying any more blus

If you absolutely must own a film, blu-Ray is currently your best option, but I don't see much of a reason to have a huge collection anymore

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by Jake2104

Do you guys think blu rays are still worth buying today in this day in age with 4K blu Ray, streaming and downloads are the corner? I'm in the process of reevaluating my stance on buying any more blus

I think it's fine to continue to buy blu-ray, because I'm not planning on getting a 4K TV for at least five years.