Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by thrlride

Money first is true.

List of a movie studios priorities:
1) Make money
2) Spend less money
3) Learn new ways to make more money.
4) Learn new ways to spend less money.
5) Make movies
6) Make movies that will make money.

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by BigB88

Exactly... Sales of software (Movies) will determine who wins this war. But to execute the software (Play the movie), you need to appropriate hardware, therefore you have a key dependency... The player or a device which will execute the software. So taking this logic, players will determine how much software can possibly be sold, therefore Player prices, which to some extent drive the purchase of these players will have direct impact on sales of the software (Movies).

Well said.

[richard lichtenfelt]

Originally Posted by thrlride

I dunno, toshiba, sony, magnavox, rca, it's all made in China.

Check out J.D Power and associates.

Toshiba outperforms Sony in ratings in RPTV's. Toshiba outperforms panasonic in LCD's.

More hd dvd lies by Thrlride. HERE IS THE LINK WHICH YOU DIDN'T PROVIDE, I can see why too:
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...spx?ID=2007228
"37- to 49-inch HDTV Segment
The Sony BRAVIA LCD series ranks highest in customer satisfaction in its segment with a score of 815 on a 1,000-point scale and performs particularly well in picture and sound performance; features; and appearance and styling. Following the Sony BRAVIA series in the segment rankings are the LG LCD series and LG Plasma series, achieving scores of 799 and 794, respectively.
50- to 65-inch HDTV Segment
In the 50- to 65-inch HDTV segment, the Pioneer Plasma series ranks highest with a score of 845 and performs particularly well in picture and sound performance; ease of operation; and appearance and styling. The Sony BRAVIA LCD series follows in the segment with a score of 833, performing well in HDTV features. The LG Plasma series follows the Sony BRAVIA series, achieving a score of 814."

[BigB88]

Originally Posted by thrlride

Money first is true.

Yea, but do you think this is good business? Perhaps it is, but I'm a small business owner and I'm sorry to say, it is not always "money first" in my business. Revenue certainly is a key driver, but we also look at future growth and opportunity almost as much as net profit. I don't see that in the Hollywood system or in a lot of other industries as well and I think that is the sad part, its just MONEY...MONEY...MONEY 24x7. Is greed really good?

[BigB88]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

List of a movie studios priorities:
1) Make money
2) Spend less money
3) Learn new ways to make more money.
4) Learn new ways to spend less money.
5) Make movies
6) Make movies that will make money.

Sad, but true.

[sj001]

Originally Posted by BigB88

Umm, $499 was the price Panasonic set for their new player, not opinion.. fact

$39.95 are prices seen at BB and CC on Fox titles, I ain't buying them and as it looks not many others are either, yes, I can get them cheaper elsewhere, but they are still overpriced compared to other BD studios, not opinion .. fact and I don't think Blu-ray is going to sell a lot of $299 Open box players.. fact

As I said earlier, the $499 is MSRP, I'm sure it will street at $399.

$39.95 at CC and BB? My Best Buys are rip-offs but they are $34.99 here, but about $25 on Amazon. Take a look at the average price of titles on Amazon, and Blu-ray as a whole is almost always cheaper. No thanks to those wonderful combo-discs.

[JAGUAR1977]

Originally Posted by mj23007

Simply put hd a2 is 199, and this week at walmart 98. Blu ray cant even compete with that pricing. Also, the movies need to come down in pricing to 19.99 at least! Oh and where is my dts hd support for the ps3!

There's competitive pricing, then there's desperation, firesales and lack of credibility.

[Trolling2]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

1: Thank you for trolling (its in his name for Christsakes), I will see you later.

2: The price to manufactur and overhead expenses may have gone down over time. The increase in profits may have made the price cuts acceptable. They were not HUGE price cuts either. They weren't $200+ price cuts like on the A2. The $400 PS3 has less capabilities and a smaller harddrive - thus making the costs in production lower and mkaing the lower price more accpetable. Although, Sony may be selling at a loss in order to compete, I am not privey to that information.

1. My guess that you "would not" was correct.
2. I never said HUGE price cuts, just a HUGE loss for every PS3 sold. 2 price cuts whithin its 1st year of release, no matter how small or how they wanted to spin it off, is still pretty agressive/desperate..
3. Do a quick google search on PS3's losses Per Unit Sold. Then you can be "privey" to the info.. I can't link yet..

[ussrelativity]

After thinking everything over some more, I still believe that Blu-ray will win decisively. I got a little concerned, but my concerns weren't really warranted much. Toshiba is outnumbered by so many manufacturers, that the entire BDA can afford to make more large price cuts on a permanent basis, as well as launch better marketing efforts to educate the consumers about Blu-ray and why they should choose it for High Definition media.

If the Disney mall tour is any indication, knowledge is power. Educate them.

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by BigB88

Yea, but do you think this is good business? Perhaps it is, but I'm a small business owner and I'm sorry to say, it is not always "money first" in my business. Revenue certainly is a key driver, but we also look at future growth and opportunity almost as much as net profit. I don't see that in the Hollywood system or in a lot of other industries as well and I think that is the sad part, its just MONEY...MONEY...MONEY 24x7. Is greed really good?

I would argue that any large or publicly traded company is only concerned with the bottom line.

[bdrex28]

Originally Posted by ussrelativity

After thinking everything over some more, I still believe that Blu-ray will win decisively. I got a little concerned, but my concerns weren't really warranted much. Toshiba is outnumbered by so many manufacturers, that the entire BDA can afford to make more large price cuts on a permanent basis, as well as launch better marketing efforts to educate the consumers about Blu-ray and why they should choose it for High Definition media.

If the Disney mall tour is any indication, knowledge is power. Educate them.

I agree that education the populace is a huge first step. So many people are still confused about high definition video.

As long as the BDA can keep pricing within an acceptable range in relation to low budget HD-DVD players they'll be fine. If HD-DVD starts having more options in the $200 range than just the A2 then it will be concerning. So far, that's not the case however.

[owa]

Originally Posted by Trolling2

1. My guess that you "would not" was correct.
2. I never said HUGE price cuts, just a HUGE loss for every PS3 sold. 2 price cuts whithin its 1st year of release, no matter how small or how they wanted to spin it off, is still pretty agressive/desperate..
3. Do a quick google search on PS3's losses Per Unit Sold. Then you can be "privey" to the info.. I can't link yet..

All the consoles are sold at a loss at first and maybe over time that evens out or they start to get ahead on the hardware-side. They make up for it with software sales (and the price of the software). Maybe that's the strategy Toshiba is trying.

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by mj23007

Simply put hd a2 is 199, and this week at walmart 98. Blu ray cant even compete with that pricing. Also, the movies need to come down in pricing to 19.99 at least! Oh and where is my dts hd support for the ps3!

Another 199er. These threads are RIDICULOUS. Actually, they're useful. I can just go through them and put every 199er on my ignore list. Starting with this joker.

[atomik kinder]

Then when these people decide to rent HD DVDs? Hmm, how come Blockbuster doesn't rent HD DVDs? Their local video chain will almost certainly will not be renting them.

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by Trolling2

1. My guess that you "would not" was correct.
2. I never said HUGE price cuts, just a HUGE loss for every PS3 sold. 2 price cuts whithin its 1st year of release, no matter how small or how they wanted to spin it off, is still pretty agressive/desperate..
3. Do a quick google search on PS3's losses Per Unit Sold. Then you can be "privey" to the info.. I can't link yet..

Yes the PS3 has lost money it has been sold at a loss. I don't own a PS3 so I don't care. I own a blu-ray player and I believe in the technology since it is better than HD DVD. If you want to consider losses with the PS3 then you have to include them into player sales, and the HD DVD camp doesn't want that so you better make up your mind quick.

[mdm1699]

Originally Posted by BigB88

Yea, but do you think this is good business? Perhaps it is, but I'm a small business owner and I'm sorry to say, it is not always "money first" in my business. Revenue certainly is a key driver, but we also look at future growth and opportunity almost as much as net profit. I don't see that in the Hollywood system or in a lot of other industries as well and I think that is the sad part, its just MONEY...MONEY...MONEY 24x7. Is greed really good?

THis is why you will stay a small business. Go into charity.

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by iceperson

Feel free to search AVS for my posts (same username), I've been beating down HD-DVD fanboys over there for months. That doesn't change the fact that Blu-ray needs a low-cost player that people can pickup for second and third units for rooms that might not have reference level equipment.

No it doesn't. Ridiculous. Ignored.

[mdm1699]

Originally Posted by ussrelativity

After thinking everything over some more, I still believe that Blu-ray will win decisively. I got a little concerned, but my concerns weren't really warranted much. Toshiba is outnumbered by so many manufacturers, that the entire BDA can afford to make more large price cuts on a permanent basis, as well as launch better marketing efforts to educate the consumers about Blu-ray and why they should choose it for High Definition media.

If the Disney mall tour is any indication, knowledge is power. Educate them.

Not to mention how quiet MS has been. Can you imagine! Windows and Office are way to expensive and should be cheaper. That X-Box should be $98.

[BigB88]

Originally Posted by Kyot

Simply put, If you are spending thousands of dollars on making your own personal home theatre, you want the best there is.

Why would you add a $100 HD DVD player to that experience? You will want to buy a blu ray player that has 1080p and not 1080i, and you would be willing to spend more money on that.

People have the problem of seeing low prices and then they wet themselves. Then they take it home and realize its not that great.

I would agree that you or I are looking for the best, but don't be so sure about J6P. Here is the problem, we have a deadline (of sorts) coming up in 2009, yes, it is still a while yet, but it is sneaking up fast. That's when the US dumps analog and goes digital (for the most part). Now almost all analog connections will still work with additional hardware to support. But most consumers are going to be in the market for a digital TV, most likely any HDTV. HDTV prices have been steadily coming down over time and in 2008, they will come down even more. If I am (J6P) going out to buy an HDTV, I'm going out to buy the best one I can get for the budget I have to spend. So, I'm J6P shopping for an HDTV, and look they also have HD players that play in the same resolution as the TV's! Great, I'll get one of those as well, but first I want to make sure I get "the best HDTV for my budget". So J6P pulls out his wallet and says, well I can get this Sony Bravia over there for $1,600, but if I spend another $425 on this Blu-ray player, I will only be able to afford this other $900 Bravia (lower unit, not the "best my budget can afford"). Oh wait, there is a $125 HD player over there and it also plays HD formatted movies, but the saleperson says, yes, but it won't play Disney, Fox HD formatted movies, et al... J6P says "Oh who cares, IT FITS MY BUDGET" and there you are, another crappy player is purchased. This is the scenario I am afraid of, and we aren't talking early adoption anymore, there will be hundreds of thousands of J6P's out there doing the same thing.

[sj001]

Originally Posted by mdm1699

Not to mention how quiet MS has been. Can you imagine! Windows and Office are way to expensive and should be cheaper. That X-Box should be $98.

This is true.