Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Opips3]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

In the unlikely event that this happens, pay the higher OOP price, like I have done a few times before, the only difference is that the insurance would be paying for them.

Insurance won't pay your on hard-drive??

like a battery??

[syndicate]

I just REALLY REALLY HOPE THAT UHD(AKA 4K) WILL NOT BE THE LAST OF THE PHYSICAL MEDIA OWNERSHIP AT ALL. When something else takes 4K/UHD's place there will still be physical ownership of them on some kind of format.

I have to say I really really agree with these two sites on owning physical media

http://tvshowsondvd.com/news/Site-Ne...ve-Discs/19703

https://www.shoutfactory.com/editori...-dvds-blu-rays

For me streaming just does not do it at all. It just DOES NOT feel like you really own it at all. When buying it on iTunes or where ever else. To me streaming is ONLY good for watching movies that are not worth owing on DVD or Blu-ray or when you are not sure is it worth owning. Like for example Flight Of Fury, Skin Trade, The Gambler, Out Of Reach, Momentum, Seven Psychopaths, I Orign, Another Earth, The Last Witch Hunter and so on.

I really hope another type of player and physical media will take UHD/4K's place, when it time for that. NOT the end of it and only streaming is around.

By the way how many people do you all think did not even switch over to DVD at all from 2000-2010. That they might have done that in late 2010 or sometime in 2011. Still now they have not gone to Blu-ray. Also it does not matter what their age is say 28, 32, 48, 58, 62, 66 or 73. Maybe it the understanding and how to use the Technology.

I can say this back in 2011 or 2012, I saw a lady that was like maybe 68-77 age area at Costco, and she was getting a DVD player and looking at the movie section. Last year during the Christmas holiday at one of my local Best Buy a young lady about say 24-33 age area. She was looking for The Sopranos box set. I told here where it was, and when she saw she said but that Blu-ray. I told her ask worker may, maybe they have the DVD one in the back room. So she ask and they did not have it. The worker told her that a Blu-ray player can also DVDs. It like she didn't even know that. She was also on her phone with either a friend or a family member when looking for it.

So you really wonder are there people out there that don't want to learn or get into Blu-ray or 4K/UHD, just like MAYBE for some switching over to DVD was big thing even late in the game. They just like it staying with DVD and don't want to switch.

[tiger_qc]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Exactly, CD and MP3 have co-existed for decades and will continue to do so for many more decades. The same thing will likely happen with 4K streaming and UHD Blu-ray. There isn't one winner and one loser both formats can be successful.

DecadeS?
Before the early 2000s not many people had internet so for most people buying CDs was the way to go, it make it a little over a decade. Fifteen years ago there were HUGE stores filled with CDs now the same stores have what, 5% of the floor used for CDs? I remember when I was going to get my CD in my local Future Shop back in the late 90s there was about 10-15 long double sided rows of CDs, now the same store doesn't even have a full row (now it's a Bestbuy but still the same physical store and same owners). You seriously think CD will still exist for decadeS?
CDs are really near extinction and soon the music industry won't bother releasing these obsolete discs.

Originally Posted by RedSabbath

Hell, I just bought 4 CD's yesterday!

Seriously, when the MP3 revolution began in the early 2000's, many people switched because it was easy and free. Then, when the "music police" busted that up (somewhat), some were willing to pay for the download. Then those same people realized that the cost of the download was almost the same as actually owning the CD itself. And once their Ipod/computer crashed, they had nothing else to turn to like a master CD.

I feel that CD's will always be in existence. And the disc format for movies will as well, be it DVD falling to Blu Ray, which might fall eventually to 4K and so forth. Bottom line, most people want a tangible object to have their entertainment on, rather than it existing "in a cloud". Sure, there will be people who just wants it now, but the "hoarders of entertainment" will always outnumber them.

Well if my computer crashes I have 4 more devices that have all my music. If my house burn and I left my iPhones, iPod and iPad at home I will still have all my library loaded in my iTunes, the only thing I WON'T have is the titles I bought in CDs, how ironic is that? So if I want to get them back (remember that my house burned) I will have to buy them on iTunes unless I want to waste my precious time trying to find the physical albums, overpay and waste weeks to upload them to make them portable and reachable from anywhere I want. All my CDs are god knows where and I don't give a damn since they're loaded in my iTunes library. I also have a usb HDD with everything I have on my PC at my sister's house. Everything you have on a computer is vulnerable so you have to be smart enough to have a backup.

Originally Posted by Cevolution

In the unlikely event that this happens, pay the higher OOP price, like I have done a few times before, the only difference is that the insurance would be paying for them.

Actually insurance companies do not pay for overpriced OOP unless you have tangible proofs and paid premium for that service. I once had an OOP steelbook lost in the mail I sold over $300 USD to a collector and got $30 CAD +taxes back. Insurance companies are trying to pay the bare minimum and will cover the price tag IF you have a proof.

[syndicate]

Well if my computer crashes I have 4 more devices that have all my music. If my house burn and I left my iPhones, iPod and iPad at home I will still have all my library loaded in my iTunes, the only thing I WON'T have is the titles I bought in CDs, how ironic is that? So if I want to get them back (remember that my house burned) I will have to buy them on iTunes unless I want to waste my precious time trying to find the physical albums, overpay and waste weeks to upload them to make them portable and reachable from anywhere I want. All my CDs are god knows where and I don't give a damn since they're loaded in my iTunes library. I also have a usb HDD with everything I have on my PC at my sister's house. Everything you have on a computer is vulnerable so you have to be smart enough to have a backup.

How may people going to do that with their music or even DVD/Blu-ray copying program and to do that with their movie and store it on those 1TB-4TB external hard drive. People will take care of taxes, investment and other very important stuff. But even people who understand about those so you don't loose it. Will still say to the person what is more and what you should be taking of first.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by tiger_qc

Actually insurance companies do not pay for overpriced OOP unless you have tangible proofs and paid premium for that service. I once had an OOP steelbook lost in the mail I sold over $300 USD to a collector and got $30 CAD +taxes back. Insurance companies are trying to pay the bare minimum and will cover the price tag IF you have a proof.

Actually, we live in different countries my friend, with different insurance systems . Here are some posts of mine on the topic from some other threads recently:

Originally Posted by Cevolution

My physical media collection is insured for $40000.

Originally Posted by Cevolution

I'm not fully sure how the system works there in the U.S. Here in Australia we have to have contents insurance for our possessions to be covered. General contents insurance usually only covers up to a certain amount for physical media, most companies in the vicinity of $5000. If what you own exceeds this, the only way to cover them is to have them listed separately as specialty items up to an amount of your choosing, which you pay a higher premium for. The greater the amount you choose to cover them for the greater the premium.

and here is also one from this morning, where a member was asking other members whether they keep their receipts:

Originally Posted by Cevolution

I have every receipt for movies that I have purchased over the last 12 years or so.

I also have other things to show proof of purchase.

Edit:

I just noticed that you were involved in those conversations that I took quotes from above :

Originally Posted by tiger_qc

It must cost you a fortune, my insurance company cober for $5000 in media but if I wan more it's like an extra of $40/$1000 if my memory serve me right, it would cost me an extra of $1400/year to get insured for 40k.
Way too much, I'm taking the risk.

Originally Posted by Cevolution

It doesn't cost me anywhere near that much. I pay around $175 a year to have my collection insured for the figure I previously mentioned.

[tiger_qc]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

Actually, we live in different countries my friend, with different insurance systems . Here are some posts of mine on the topic from some other threads recently:

and here is also one from this morning, where a member was asking other members whether they keep their receipts:

I also have other things to show proof of purchase.

Edit:

I just noticed that you were involved in those conversations that I took quotes from above :

It must be nice to live in a Country where insurance companies aren't the worst thieves on the streets, there's nothing I hate more than a insurance salesman.

Edit: I remember we had a discussion on the topic, I would have recognize you if you kept your avatar, I have a hard time remembering people that always change. I'm not remembering names well, I use faces and on a forum our faces are our avatars.

[tiger_qc]

Originally Posted by syndicate

How may people going to do that with their music or even DVD/Blu-ray copying program and to do that with their movie and store it on those 1TB-4TB external hard drive. People will take care of taxes, investment and other very important stuff. But even people who understand about those so you don't loose it. Will still say to the person what is more and what you should be taking of first.

I bought games on my PSN account and if my PS3 crashes I will still can access them, I have hundreds of albums on iTunes, if I loose everything and log in my apple ID I get them all back, I have a lot of titles on my Netflix list and if I log in somewhere else I can access them. Whatever you buy online or stream can't be lost. If my house burn I'll be glad to have my USB HDD only to get my music that I DIDN'T bought through iTunes back, everything else will remain there.

[BENNIE QUINCY SHAFT]

I don't know if you folks know this, but you will need an Internet connection to play your UHD Blu-ray Discs. The 4K specs will require you to get "approval" for your discs and your player to play the discs. This is built into the players and will (maybe) be built into the discs, too. Then, if you attempt to play the discs on a different player or in a different location, you may or may not get the "approval" to play them there. The UHD format is DIVX all over again. So, spend your money, and then be burned when the content providers pull your disc playing "permission."

[danielgiraldo1993]

Originally Posted by BENNIE QUINCY SHAFT

I don't know if you folks know this, but you will need an Internet connection to play your UHD Blu-ray Discs. The 4K specs will require you to get "approval" for your discs and your player to play the discs. This is built into the players and will (maybe) be built into the discs, too. Then, if you attempt to play the discs on a different player or in a different location, you may or may not get the "approval" to play them there. The UHD format is DIVX all over again. So, spend your money, and then be burned when the content providers pull your disc playing "permission."

What? that is terrible news, not everyone around the world has a permanent internet connection, we still are decades away from everyone having good and stable internet.

[Rory]

Originally Posted by danielgiraldo1993

What? that is terrible news, not everyone around the world has a permanent internet connection, we still are decades away from everyone having good and stable internet.

It's utter B.S. Somebody is trying to spook you.

[cpr3584]

Yes, the required internet connectivity is on UHD players but i believe i heard the first batch of players and discw won't use it and i'm not sure they ever will. i think it's just to create your own digital copy, not check to see if you are the owner of the movie

[syndicate]

Originally Posted by BENNIE QUINCY SHAFT

I don't know if you folks know this, but you will need an Internet connection to play your UHD Blu-ray Discs. The 4K specs will require you to get "approval" for your discs and your player to play the discs. This is built into the players and will (maybe) be built into the discs, too. Then, if you attempt to play the discs on a different player or in a different location, you may or may not get the "approval" to play them there. The UHD format is DIVX all over again. So, spend your money, and then be burned when the content providers pull your disc playing "permission."

Hope that is not true, because right now there still a lot stuff for 4K/UHD that has not been settle yet. Where that is how 4K/UHD will be like, no more tech stuff to it anymore. Anything new will be beyond 4K, that after 4K/UHD. There is what is called HDR (high dynamic range) that popping up in the newer 4K TVs. Mainly those that come out toward the end of 2015 and the new ones coming out this year. That HDR in 4K TVs is NOT the same as HDR photo app.

[TripleHBK]

Originally Posted by tiger_qc

I bought games on my PSN account and if my PS3 crashes I will still can access them, I have hundreds of albums on iTunes, if I loose everything and log in my apple ID I get them all back, I have a lot of titles on my Netflix list and if I log in somewhere else I can access them. Whatever you buy online or stream can't be lost. If my house burn I'll be glad to have my USB HDD only to get my music that I DIDN'T bought through iTunes back, everything else will remain there.

Keep living in fantasy land...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/te...azon.html?_r=5

[tiger_qc]

Originally Posted by TripleHBK

Keep living in fantasy land...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/te...azon.html?_r=5

I can't read your link, but I believe I understand where it's going. I don't think apple or Sony can afford to have a crash and not give their customers what they paid for back, this would destroy them. I have receipts from iTunes and Sony proving I bought all the song/albums/games I had and if I lose everything I can come back with my receipt and claim all what I've paid for. I know a crash could wipe out a database but I have proofs of purchase like any physical medias so it's safe to believe that I'm covered.

[jdrouette]

Originally Posted by tiger_qc

I can't read your link, but I believe I understand where it's going. I don't think apple or Sony can afford to have a crash and not give their customers what they paid for back, this would destroy them. I have receipts from iTunes and Sony proving I bought all the song/albums/games I had and if I lose everything I can come back with my receipt and claim all what I've paid for. I know a crash could wipe out a database but I have proofs of purchase like any physical medias so it's safe to believe that I'm covered.

I wish this were true, but I've already experienced a case where it wasn't.

In 2011, I bought a Garageband music lesson (a video file), from the Apple Store. Five years and two of computers later, I discovered that I had neglected to back up the clip, and wanted to re-download it. My Apple store account didn't display purchases older than two years, but I still had my email receipt, so I contacted them directly. They told me that they were not able to restore my purchase, even with my receipt. If I wanted to re-download, I would have to re-buy.

In this case, losing the file was equal to losing a physical disc; when it's gone, it's gone.

[tiger_qc]

Originally Posted by jdrouette

I wish this were true, but I've already experienced a case where it wasn't.

In 2011, I bought a Garageband music lesson (a video file), from the Apple Store. Five years and two of computers later, I discovered that I had neglected to back up the clip, and wanted to re-download it. My Apple store account didn't display purchases older than two years, but I still had my email receipt, so I contacted them directly. They told me that they were not able to restore my purchase, even with my receipt. If I wanted to re-download, I would have to re-buy.

In this case, losing the file was equal to losing a physical disc; when it's gone, it's gone.

That was before everything was backed up in your cloud, I don't know how safe my stuff is on my iCloud or Dropbox.

[syndicate]

Originally Posted by tiger_qc

That was before everything was backed up in your cloud, I don't know how safe my stuff is on my iCloud or Dropbox.

There are people who understand Technology use it enough, but don't trust Cloud at all. Having stuff stored there backed up there.

[tiger_qc]

Originally Posted by syndicate

There are people who understand Technology use it enough, but don't trust Cloud at all. Having stuff stored there backed up there.

I'm keeping my PS3 on a HDD, my PC on another one but I was wondering how safe storage space on a cloud was.

[thecalm_7]

Originally Posted by jdrouette

I wish this were true, but I've already experienced a case where it wasn't.

In 2011, I bought a Garageband music lesson (a video file), from the Apple Store. Five years and two of computers later, I discovered that I had neglected to back up the clip, and wanted to re-download it. My Apple store account didn't display purchases older than two years, but I still had my email receipt, so I contacted them directly. They told me that they were not able to restore my purchase, even with my receipt. If I wanted to re-download, I would have to re-buy.

In this case, losing the file was equal to losing a physical disc; when it's gone, it's gone.

Even since cloud, Apple has pulled stuff or altered it so it could not be re-downloaded. Soundtracks are a killer. I've bought numerous, but many (10-20) are no longer available complete. Singles are only available on EPs, bonus tracks now require entire album downloads. Apple was unwilling to budge. Hours I spent on the phone with support only to be told repurchase is the only way. Games on iOS were lost, no longer on cloud.
Sony PS DLC downloads became problematic too, things were changed back end. Combo discount downloads are no longer available, Sony says sorry, buy it again. They offered credit back but it still put it where I owned more than what was given back.
I forget the movie service, maybe vudu. But they lost rights to a few films I downloaded. I lost 30$ there.
I still download, but I do so sparingly. Even though expensive, I back up my physical purchases now.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by BENNIE QUINCY SHAFT

I don't know if you folks know this, but you will need an Internet connection to play your UHD Blu-ray Discs. The 4K specs will require you to get "approval" for your discs and your player to play the discs. This is built into the players and will (maybe) be built into the discs, too. Then, if you attempt to play the discs on a different player or in a different location, you may or may not get the "approval" to play them there. The UHD format is DIVX all over again. So, spend your money, and then be burned when the content providers pull your disc playing "permission."

Don't over-react. While that capability is built into the players, there is absolutely no evidence that it's going to be used by the studios, and my personal opinion is that it will never be implemented.

The reason why it won't be is that if they use it and you have consumers who start returning discs in droves as "defective" because they don't have their players hooked up to the net (or because the approval servers fail), the format will be defined by the Press as defective and it will kill the format. The studios won't take that chance.

Let's not forget that DIVX failed big time and the studios know it. And DIVX was intended to serve a different purpose: it was intended to be a rental format in which you didn't have to return the discs. We don't need that today - if that's what people want, we have streaming.

Personally, once I buy a UHD player, I will purposely keep it disconnected from the net to make sure the discs work. I'll keep my current OPPO for streaming. Any UHD disc that doesn't work without a connection will be promptly returned as "defective".

Also, such discs better be prominently labeled as needing such a connection because there will definitely be class action lawsuits if they aren't.