Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Adrian Wright]

Originally Posted by ray0414

according to the review of hte martian on the digital bits, with the movie the martian, the color grading on the new version was done with the original colorist and was approved by the director himself.

Sorry for being overly optimistic, but im assuming that this method is the preferred way for every movie if it is possible.

I hope this comes to pass to Ray, time will tell

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

I am sure he can speak for himself, but one of Mike's 'bones of contention' are also HDR regrades that may or not be done now the original film makers are no longer with us to advise on how the finished product should look. I also agree with him on this 100%.

The best way to show you are unhappy with the output, is refuse to pay for it if your really feel THAT strongly about it. Regardless of this being OTA, Streaming or Disc Based formats.

Vote with your wallets

What he said

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

But grading for theaters and grading for home are two different things. One isn't necessarily justification for the other. I would lean more toward only wanting HDR if the project was conceptualized from the beginning with HDR in mind. Ultimately I think it will come down to how aggressive HDR is in any feature. I've only seen one film theatrically in HDR (The Martian) and the difference between it and the standard theatrical grade I saw was almost nil. If there were differences I didn't see anything that stuck out. I've also seen side by side fully calibrated comparisons of the same material with one being an SDR grade and the other a DV grade and the differences weren't so dramatic that I would expect a lot of people to call foul. It was mainly better color, less clipping and better details in highlights. Like anything else I'm sure we'll get products that abuse the technology, but hopefully those cases will be few and far between.

It's more it was looked at for an HDR grade by the original team at time of release, rather than formats and standards

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

It's more it was looked at for an HDR grade by the original team at time of release, rather than formats and standards

Mike, do you agree that even when film-makers are alive to regrade, it should only be done on movies shot with Digital cameras, and not on film?

If you look at the first wave of UHD Disc, basically ALL are shot Digital...

Film and HDR makes no sense to me...

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Mike, do you agree that even when film-makers are alive to regrade, it should only be done on movies shot with Digital cameras, and not on film?

If you look at the first wave of UHD Disc, basically ALL are shot Digital...

Film and HDR makes no sense to me...

Not really, if they match the dynamic range of the original 35mm print projected circa when it came out

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Not really, if they match the dynamic range of the original 35mm print projected circa when it came out

The problem is that the range used for HDR so far is much higher than what a 35mm print could do... I hope they leave that alone...

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

The problem is that the range used for HDR so far is much higher than what a 35mm print could do... I hope they leave that alone...

The temptation is for them to go overboard to be sure

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

The temptation is for them to go overboard to be sure

Yep, just like they do for DNR now. For them more is the lessor of the evils.

[Wickerman1972]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Wrong. Have you seen the UHD discs yet? They look gorgeous.

Space isn't an issue. For example The Martian is one of the best looking discs and it's only 48gb. So they have 18gb of empty space on the disc. A Dolby Atmos track layer only adds about 1 or 2 gb, so obviously they didn't leave it off because there was no room.

But that's not a real 4k movie. Like most of the releases so far it's 2k upconverted to 4k. For a true 4k film 100gb probably isn't enough.

[4K fanatic]

While 4K shows on netflix look great and if this was reflectionof how 4K movies would look in general, id expect success. The biggest hurdle is thst peoppe don't have 65'' uhd tvs in their house. I'd say averwge is 50-55''. This in combination with movies shot in 2.39:1 or 2.75:1, where the black bar rats up alot of the screen looos like a path to faliure. Imo only movies shot in a full frame aspect ratio will be successful. 4K is all about resolution and when you have 1/3 of screen eaten up by black-faliure is likely-if direct tvs 4K espn is success, it will help but youre not toing to convince people to upgrade when 1/3 of tv is black. Theyd have to sit 4' away from screen. 👎

[cole2kb]

Not really living up to your username, huh?

Look, this is just silly. Your argument is that "4K is all about resolution", while resolution is only one part of the upgraded experience with proper 4K content. In addition, take your argument and apply it to regular Blu-ray. See how stupid it sounds?

[bruceames]

Actually relying solely on resolution has been one of the biggest barriers of Blu-ray's success with the mainstream. Upscaled DVD for many looked almost as good from their normal viewing distance and screen size so there was no compelling reason to upgrade. The average Joe just isn't going to much appreciate seeing the extra pores on somebody's face, more texture in the clothing or carpet, or more resolved grain in the background.

But UHD BD also has HDR, WCG and 10 bit depth, all of which can be appreciated on any sized display. And these improvements add a lot of wow factor that the average consumer will appreciate, because it involves much greater contrast, color range and greater highs and lows in brightness. Of course, they need HDR TVs and UHD players and that will take time. So looking at it that way, UHD BD has a better chance of getting a wider adoption rate in the long run than Blu-ray did (at least, among disc purchases).

[Malibu13]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Actually relying solely on resolution has been one of the biggest barriers of Blu-ray's success with the mainstream. Upscaled DVD for many looked almost as good from their normal viewing distance and screen size so there was no compelling reason to upgrade. The average Joe just isn't going to much appreciate seeing the extra pores on somebody's face, more texture in the clothing or carpet, or more resolved grain in the background.

But UHD BD also has HDR, WCG and 10 bit depth, all of which can be appreciated on any sized display. And these improvements add a lot of wow factor that the average consumer will appreciate, because it involves much greater contrast, color range and greater highs and lows in brightness. Of course, they need HDR TVs and UHD players and that will take time. So looking at it that way, UHD BD has a better chance of getting a wider adoption rate in the long run than Blu-ray did (at least, among disc purchases).

A much better opinion. Good post

[meremortal]

UHD was just released and so it's pretty understandable that there's practically zero interest in it beyond A/V diehards right now. Plenty of people are still invested in both dvd and blu ray. UHD is probably viewed similarly as "superbit dvds" were to the general buying public and people may think it's gimmicky or overkill.

I remember both blu and hd dvd practically being ignored when they came out, too, even though the PS3 could play blu rays and the XBOX 360 had an add-on for hd dvds. It's arguably a little tougher this time around since no game consoles can play the discs as an entry gateway and a dedicated player is needed. And though most folks already have an HDTV, not everyone has a 4k HDTV. And of those who do, probably a whole lot of them are budget 40-55" sets that don't offer all the bells and whistles of the better sets. And further, most people do not sit close to their televisions... even I sit about 12 feet from my tv and probably wouldn't get the most out of the format.

It's also a much different era in 2016 than 2006. Remember Youtube in 2006? Me too.... and it was extremely low quality and finicky back then. How about cell phones from back then compared to the current day? Now we have HD digital streaming and movies going those routes as well, though I'm a disc guy at heart like most of us here. But the tides are definitely changing and the market will likely become very divided with dvd, blu ray, UHD, and digital streaming/downloads. That's a lot of options and thus a lot of 'barriers' as well.

[dvdmike]

One of biggest barriers to 4K success?

This part of the forum?

[Opips3]

Netflix 4K? Ha ha

True bullcrap!!

[Adrian Wright]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

One of biggest barriers to 4K success?

This part of the forum?

And another stupid thread gains traction

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

One of biggest barriers to 4K success?

This part of the forum?

Ain't that the ****ing truth

[Rocklandsboy]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

But UHD BD also has HDR, WCG and 10 bit depth, all of which can be appreciated on any sized display. And these improvements add a lot of wow factor that the average consumer will appreciate, because it involves much greater contrast, color range and greater highs and lows in brightness. Of course, they need HDR TVs and UHD players and that will take time. So looking at it that way, UHD BD has a better chance of getting a wider adoption rate in the long run than Blu-ray did (at least, among disc purchases).

I think those aspects will be even LESS of a selling point than greater resolution, to be honest. At least people understand what resolution is!

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Rocklandsboy

I think those aspects will be even LESS of a selling point than greater resolution, to be honest. At least people understand what resolution is!

On paper, perhaps you're right: At the present time anyway. HDR is so new that very few people know what it means. I think that will change over time. It's going to become a buzz word in the next few years.

To gain wide adoption the average Joe would have to buy in. I don't think they'll be buying off specs as much as word of mouth or seeing it for themselves at a friends house or at a showroom, or even HDR content on Amazon or Netflix. Again, I don't see this happening for 4-5 years until HDR sets are the norm.

It's hard to appreciate without seeing it (impossible really) but I think there will be plenty of enthusiasm once they do.