Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by thrlride

I dunno, toshiba, sony, magnavox, rca, it's all made in China.

Check out J.D Power and associates.

Toshiba outperforms Sony in ratings in RPTV's. Toshiba outperforms panasonic in LCD's.

I couldn't find component reviews but imagine it would be the same. Just because it's cheap doesn't mean it is trash.

Cnet.com lists 3 standalone bd players as 7.4 whereas the A2 is 7.3.

It just comes across as a belittling method to try and knock them down.

Toshi outperforms Panasonic I will put my 32'' Panny LCD against any toshi , and buy the way Panny is in to Plazzy's they don't make bigger LCD ,I no they have a 56'' I'm not sure if its a proj. or what ???Look at consumer reports Panny's been on top for a long time best all around , most reliable

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by richard lichtenfelt

More hd dvd lies by Thrlride. HERE IS THE LINK WHICH YOU DIDN'T PROVIDE, I can see why too:
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...spx?ID=2007228
"37- to 49-inch HDTV Segment
The Sony BRAVIA LCD series ranks highest in customer satisfaction in its segment with a score of 815 on a 1,000-point scale and performs particularly well in picture and sound performance; features; and appearance and styling. Following the Sony BRAVIA series in the segment rankings are the LG LCD series and LG Plasma series, achieving scores of 799 and 794, respectively.
50- to 65-inch HDTV Segment
In the 50- to 65-inch HDTV segment, the Pioneer Plasma series ranks highest with a score of 845 and performs particularly well in picture and sound performance; ease of operation; and appearance and styling. The Sony BRAVIA LCD series follows in the segment with a score of 833, performing well in HDTV features. The LG Plasma series follows the Sony BRAVIA series, achieving a score of 814."

I said exactly what the site says:

Toshiba beats Sony in RPTV: http://www.jdpower.com/electronics/r...2050%20to%2072

Toshiba beats Panasonic in LCD:
http://www.jdpower.com/electronics/r...2050%20to%2072

Sure I picked out where they won but to say I'm passing lies is just trying to vilify me.

[maximus2323]

What does it say DVD player?

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by Sonny

Toshi outperforms Panasonic I will put my 32'' Panny LCD against any toshi , and buy the way Panny is in to Plazzy's they don't make bigger LCD ,I no they have a 56'' I'm not sure if its a proj. or what ???

I hope so, you have quite a collection of them. BTW, I never said either brand was junk, I simply said some people have rated them higher in certain markets.

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by BaronVH

Now, please do not get me wrong. I am not wanting to flame bait or insult anybody, but the BD group really is going to have to get its act together with this news. While the $98 player is an inferior player, it will still move units. It is clear that Toshiba has no problem selling units at a loss, and the bottom line is the BD group must cut costs on stand alone players or they will lose this war. The Panasonic 1.1 player for $500 is a big deal, but they need to do better. There needs to be a $300 player out before Christmas. Numerous studies have stated that stand-alone pricing is a problem. The PS3 is great, but there must be movie only units that is cheaper than a gaming system. Many people do not want a gaming console as their player, and the average consumer does not care about or have the capability to have lossless sound. I do care about lossless sound and the best possible picture and sound, and that it why I like Blu-ray, but for me to get all the sound formats, the units are $500 to $1000. Some of the $1000 units are BD 1.0. I hope that Pioneer, Sony, and the other manufacturers are ramping up to get 1.1 players out before Christmas with better pricing. This war is going to be decided in the next three months, in my opinion, and I have seen little movement in new player announcements absent the Panasonic. As far as purchases go, it goes without saying that units released before December 15th will move much, much faster than in January, which, in turn, moves software.

I cannot believe the number of low-poster comments along these lines. My god. It's an epidemic. Another ignored poster. This is pathetic.

[BaronVH]

I wish there could be more intelligent comments without insults regarding this, but a few points: The $98 is a low-end machine and many will not like it; however, it will sell players that, in turn, will sell discs. This cannot be ignored. Yes, it may be a fire sale. It may cater to the lowest common denominator; nevertheless, lower prices will sell units. The BD group knows or should know that the high cost of Blu-ray stand alone players is one of the limiting factors that it has. I firmly believe that now is the time for Blu-ray to bite the bullet and do a major, major hardware push. I think that after Christmas the impact will be much less. They could put a nail in HD-DVD's coffin, but unless they cut prices substantially, this format war will drag on. With Warner on board that would end it, but just announcing new titles will not do it. Granted, I am willing to get a $1000 Pioneer Elite unit, but each and every one of my friends and neighbors are not. Movies mean a lot to me. Lossless audio means a lot to me. Cutting prices on the PS3 will help, but if retailers announced $300 PS3's the day after Thanksgiving, that would be an event in and of itself.

Look, Apple realized the price of the iphone was a barrier, they bit the bullet and dropped prices. Sony, Pioneer, and all the other manufacturers of stand alone players need to consider this soon. Warner's press release clearly stated that they will look to this quarter for software sales and they are committed the Blu-ray; however, they also stated that lower prices of players is an issue as well. Warner clearly controls the war at this point, and the $98 Toshiba sale plays into exactly what Warner stated. That Paramount deal clearly had contract contingencies built in if the war shifts substantially to BD. Now BD needs to step up to the plate right now and counter it with huge discounts. If they wait too much longer it could be too late.

[sj001]

Originally Posted by thrlride

I dunno, toshiba, sony, magnavox, rca, it's all made in China.

Check out J.D Power and associates.

Toshiba outperforms Sony in ratings in RPTV's. Toshiba outperforms panasonic in LCD's.

I couldn't find component reviews but imagine it would be the same. Just because it's cheap doesn't mean it is trash.

Cnet.com lists 3 standalone bd players as 7.4 whereas the A2 is 7.3.

It just comes across as a belittling method to try and knock them down.

Toshiba got an F rating from the BBB.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by iceperson

For $197 I get 2 players and 10 movies (just have 5 free shipped to my office.) I already own about 14 or so HD-DVD titles, so that brings me up to 24. Even if I only bought HD-DVD dual formats released from now on I'd have a pretty substantial number after the holidays (blade runner, HP boxset, etc...) I'm not too concerned about which format loses the "war" because by the time the war is over I think dual format players will be about as common as DVD-R/DVD+R is now (It's a gamble I know, but I'm willing to risk it.)

Lastly, were you really in the Corps, or do you just use my EGA as your avatar because you think it looks cool?

Ice person. Do you want to support Blu-ray? Or are you here to promote the HD-DVD format? Personally, I think it'd be foolish to buy into HD-DVD at this point as it most likely will loose this format war.

I think the 2 to 1 ratio shows that BD is here to stay.

[BaronVH]

Please note Shrike that my post above was done before you posted your comment above. I do not mind if people do not agree with me. I clearly want Blu-ray to win. I just hope the BD group realizes how critical this quarter is.

[JAGUAR1977]

Originally Posted by owa

Yeah, looks like we'll get a heavy dose of these threads for the next several days, not to mention, every thread will be steered in that direction. It'll die down eventually though.

Well it is there last hope, Transformers flopped, this is now make or break.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by thrlride

I hope so, you have quite a collection of them. BTW, I never said either brand was junk, I simply said some people have rated them higher in certain markets.

If you want facts look at Consumer Reports , F*CK your certain markets CRAPMOMO! Panny only makes 32'' LCD's so what the hell???

[richard lichtenfelt]

Originally Posted by arm711

Reasons are simple, people aren't just buying things for themselves but they have to buy things for friends and family so the cheaper the better.

The kind of people who are willing to pay $30 for a movie and have hdtvs aren't likely to be such inconsiderate gift givers.
Glad I'm not on your Xmas list.

[maximus2323]

Originally Posted by BaronVH

I wish there could be more intelligent comments without insults regarding this, but a few points: The $98 is a low-end machine and many will not like it; however, it will sell players that, in turn, will sell discs. This cannot be ignored. Yes, it may be a fire sale. It may cater to the lowest common denominator; nevertheless, lower prices will sell units. The BD group knows or should know that the high cost of Blu-ray stand alone players is one of the limiting factors that it has. I firmly believe that now is the time for Blu-ray to bite the bullet and do a major, major hardware push. I think that after Christmas the impact will be much less. They could put a nail in HD-DVD's coffin, but unless they cut prices substantially, this format war will drag on. With Warner on board that would end it, but just announcing new titles will not do it. Granted, I am willing to get a $1000 Pioneer Elite unit, but each and every one of my friends and neighbors are not. Movies mean a lot to me. Lossless audio means a lot to me. Cutting prices on the PS3 will help, but if retailers announced $300 PS3's the day after Thanksgiving, that would be an event in and of itself.

Look, Apple realized the price of the iphone was a barrier, they bit the bullet and dropped prices. Sony, Pioneer, and all the other manufacturers of stand alone players need to consider this soon. Warner's press release clearly stated that they will look to this quarter for software sales and they are committed the Blu-ray; however, they also stated that lower prices of players is an issue as well. Warner clearly controls the war at this point, and the $98 Toshiba sale plays into exactly what Warner stated. That Paramount deal clearly had contract contingencies built in if the war shifts substantially to BD. Now BD needs to step up to the plate right now and counter it with huge discounts. If they wait too much longer it could be too late.

This is true but this is a early Firday sale. I'm assuming there is another fire sale after Thanksgiving.

[m_tyson]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

your comparing a drop in price of 20% (PS3) to a drop in price of over 50% (A3) seems like an inventory clearout of the A3 to me....

I just saw an article posted on AVS from back in April, claiming that Wal-Mart bought 2 million HD players at $50 each. WM is now undercutting everyone else's price to liquidate their supply. I'm sure if WM thought they could milk higher prices, they would. But the market only supports a fire sale for HD players.

[BigB88]

Originally Posted by mdm1699

THis is why you will stay a small business. Go into charity.

Actually our business has grown substantially over the past 2 years, mainly because we did a lot of future planning and forecasting and ignored quaterly earnings. I have seen other companies adopt this same strategy and they are all doing quite well. The "greed" model doesn't work anymore as far as growing companies. Net profit increases with better planning and forecasting, not just good quarterly earnings and profit, I know, I've lived it.

[tqlla]

Originally Posted by thrlride

I remember when the PS3 dropped from $600 to $500 after only a few months of sales.... oh wait.

Both may be entirely the same or entirely different. Your stance is convenient because you support BD.

Your comment is completely irrelevent. The PS3 dropped by $100(or 17%-20%) (original prices were $500/$600, now $400/$500)

how much was the HD-A2 this time last year..... $500, now its $99 or a price drop of 80%

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by sj001

Toshiba got an F rating from the BBB.

Can you provide a link? This is all I could find and it give an AA rating:

http://www.labbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/Bu...ompanyID=41153

[yakman]

Originally Posted by atomik kinder

Then when these people decide to rent HD DVDs? Hmm, how come Blockbuster doesn't rent HD DVDs? Their local video chain will almost certainly will not be renting them.

Very few people don't use an on-line rental service these days. That is why Hollywood video is going out of business and BlockBuster is hurting so bad.

The they can't get all the movies argument applies to buyers of either format.

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by BaronVH

I just hope the BD group realizes how critical this quarter is.

It is LUDICROUS to think they don't. This is their job.

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by Sonny

If you want facts look at Consumer Reports , F*CK your certain markets CRAPMOMO! Panny only makes 32'' LCD's so what the hell???

Don't ask me on the lcd ratings, I simply looked at a respected website.