Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[jermwhl]

Originally Posted by thrlride

Can you provide a link? This is all I could find and it give an AA rating:

http://www.labbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/Bu...ompanyID=41153

That is from their telecommunications and IS branch in Irvine. Their consumer department is located in NJ.
http://trenton.e-asp.net/NIS4/bbbrep...21000029001179

They aren't a member, but it says they have an 'unsatisfactory record' due to unanswered and unresolved complaints.

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by jermwhl

That is from their telecommunications and IS branch in Irvine. Their consumer department is located in NJ.
http://trenton.e-asp.net/NIS4/bbbrep...21000029001179

They aren't a member, but it says they have an 'unsatisfactory record' due to unanswered and unresolved complaints.

Thank you. I don't know how the BBB works. If people complain to the BBB and they are not a member do they get notified of the complaints? I would assume so.

[BigB88]

Originally Posted by bdrex28

A business can future plan and focus on that if infrastructure planning is done properly, but ignoring a negative revenue stream for too long can cause problems.

The business owner must have the available cash on hand to accept a short time of negative revenue, if they can absorb that during their future planning then the future will come and they will be prepared to begin a more lucrative growth/expansion plan while inducing positive revenue.

It comes down to front end spending or gradual spending.

Very good... You get an A. Its obvious you took the class, this is what we do. Thanks, better said by you then me. We definitely don't ignore revenue, but depending on conditions, we may have to take short term losses for long-term gains.

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by matts

That's a great way to spin it.

But for the majority of people who have 720P and 1080i sets, that just doesn't fly.


Edited to correct typo!

Nice spin. The majority of people still have SD TVs.


When they decide to go HD, do you really think they are going to settle for 720p sets when 1080p displays are coming down in price all the time?

Only the really early HDTV adopters (before 1080p displays were available) or early adopters that could not afford afford 1080p displays have 720p displays. They don't make 1080i displays anymore. What you will see are 702p displays that accept a 1080i signal and downconvert it to 720p.

[JTK]

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1158323325814

Looks like other retailers are doing the same thing.

Is this perhaps an outright official price drop to clear these units out or what?

[Living Near Shamu]

Also, old hdtvs will not support even 720p without HDMI. THey will get only 480p (hence a progressive scan player) with this player. Suckers!

[SpikesBluBlooded]

Originally Posted by thrlride

How is it not factual? I click a link that says "Flat Panel TV Ratings" and toshiba has more stars than panasonic. I click a link that says "Rear Projection 50 to 72" and the toshiba dlp scores better than the sony wega.

Sure me picking and choosing isn't fair, I'm just showing where they have outperformed. I will admit Sony trounces them in other areas.

Point being, to make a blatant statement is as false as what I say.

For all that think I am that much of a fanboy then click the link:

I try to offer opposing views but generally I agree with much that is said here.

Originally Posted by br85

Because you selected the data which fits the mandate you are trying to push, and that is that toshiba is doing something good in the HDTV market. I didn't say that your statement wasn't factual, just that you were "fudging the statistics", and thus infering (without actually saying) a conclusion that is simply untrue. And us blu-biased people can see straight through it. I could also fudge a statistic.

"100% of hardcore blu-ray supporters don't back HD DVD. The ratio of blu:red in that market is infinity:1" - true statistic

I have to agree with br85 here thrlride. Every time I see your posts they are suspiciously close to sounding biased towards DUD, or at best, trying to play devil's advocate (no pun intended from the previousy posts). My friend, you have feathers, and I'm wondering if there are webbed feet hidden in your shoes. Honestly, you sound like a very intelligent fanboy, one who knows where the limits are and how not to cross the line, just staying on the fringe of being a blatant troll. The number of posts you've managed without being banned is impressive, but I really wonder how much longer you can keep your "objectivity" without revealing alterior motives for being on this site. I know this isn't going to be well-received, but at the same time, I could no longer keep quiet, either. In the end, if you truly are Blu, then maybe you should think twice about posting only those things that make DUD look positive, rather than doing apples to apples comparisons. I'm sure if Sony put out a toaster, that the GE comparable model would trounce it. But then, I don't think Sony when I think toasters, so I wouldn't see the need to post statistics just to make them look bad...

[JTK]

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1158323325814

Not just WalMart anymore.

I've already had HD-DVD supporters chime in with "$99 nail in BD's coffin?" and the rest of it.

[sj001]

Originally Posted by BigB88

Warner isn't committed to anything but cash, just like the rest of the studios. Fortunately, right now, in Hollywood there are more important things happening that will overshadow the HD wars for a while and that's the pending writers strike, and guess what, there one big sticking point in the negotiations is DVD REVENUE.. hahahaha Anyway, back to the points being made about Silverberg's comments. These comments had two objectives; 1.) We are looking at HD-DVD low player price sales in the 4th QTR, if they sell well, which all indications are, that they will, we will stay neutral. If they don't do well, then we will side with Blu-ray (exclusively) and 2.) Put pressure on the HD-DVD camp to pony up some more and get your sales up or we will drop you. Hence you see the Toshiba/M$/HD-DVD camp doing everything they can to raise their sales in fear of losing WB and perhaps the war itself. On the other side, the BDA seems to be content with the status quo I really don't know what they are doing or what their strategy is

Right, cash is key for ANY for profit business, but don't you think IMAGE is important to a publicly-traded company. WB seems to care about it, Paramount, can't say the same.

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by sj001

Right, cash is key for ANY for profit business, but don't you think IMAGE is important to a publicly-traded company. WB seems to care about it, Paramount, can't say the same.

Companies trade image for cash all the time. Look at all the layoffs in the finance divisions. That gets headlines. Companies outsource to India all the time even though people do not like it.

[cawgijoe]

Swanni says that Blu-Ray may suffer a knock-out punch.

I had to comment.....made me mad.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/blubegs110107.htm

[venusiansky]

Wow, some sale

It's one day, on a Friday (rather Saturday or Sunday) and it's "super secret". That should turn over many ssales. If they wanted to make an impact on HD-DVD player sales they would make it public, widely-advertised and on the weekend.

[sj001]

Originally Posted by thrlride

Companies trade image for cash all the time. Look at all the layoffs in the finance divisions. That gets headlines. Companies outsource to India all the time even though people do not like it.

True, but judging how they didn't take the hook and line from Toshiba the first time, maybe Warner DOES care about their image.

[JTK]

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1158323325814

Unfortunately, it's not just Wal Mart doing this thing.

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by sj001

True, but judging how they didn't take the hook and line from Toshiba the first time, maybe Warner DOES care about their image.

I didn't realize toshiba offered money before. I'd like to read about the happenings, can you show me where it happened?

[clyon]

But.... Studios could care less about how much a player costs, it cost them Nothing, all they care about is how many units (discs) are sold.

[WarCraft]

Just give me another round of everything blu-ray BOGOF (or 9.99) and I'll be happy to spend my 98 on it

[JTK]

Originally Posted by cawgijoe

Swanni says that Blu-Ray may suffer a knock-out punch.

I has to comment.....made me mad.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/blubegs110107.htm

Yup. I've already had several HD-DVD supporters fire off things like "$99 nail in Blu-Ray's coffin?" and the rest of it, like you'd expect.

[Paladin]

I think many people miss the fact that HD DVD has a lot of catch-up to do, and one Holiday season isn't going to do it. Look, Transformers HD DVD couldn't even win them a week, and it wasn't even up against an A list Blu Ray release. Blu Ray won the week with catalog titles. In order for them to make an impact, they'll need to move a ton of these BEFORE Christmas and not as Christmas presents. If they all wind up as Christmas presents they won't have an impact in movie sales until after Christmas.

They also have to sell more players then PS3s, and it looks like the PS3s are having a hot Christmas this year.

Paladin

[mdm1699]

Originally Posted by bdrex28

A business can future plan and focus on that if infrastructure planning is done properly, but ignoring a negative revenue stream for too long can cause problems.

The business owner must have the available cash on hand to accept a short time of negative revenue, if they can absorb that during their future planning then the future will come and they will be prepared to begin a more lucrative growth/expansion plan while inducing positive revenue.

It comes down to front end spending or gradual spending.

All of this sounds cute but does not answer my questions. As far as the BDA or anyone introducing something new is concerned, investment costs are recouped in the introductory-growth phase of the product cycle. Not via losses. As far as his "thriving business" is concerned, this is only possible via private investors(in which case he is no longer the sole owner) or issuing stock. He is not running a public company. This is all so dumb. Do you see Intel, Microsoft, Motorola, P&G, John Deere, Wendy's, Burger King, etc etc etc selling a new product at a loss? Get real! It is usually pulled from the market/discontinued once it gets to that point.