Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[dcfan88]

Not sure if this has been brought up or not so sorry if it has been discussed already.

As far as Blu-ray goes, I think one reason it hasn't overtaken DVD the way DVD overtook VHS is because incentive isn't there. When DVD first became big, studios were beginning to release products on DVD only with no VHS release in sight. Some companies don't even release stuff on Blu-ray and the amount of Blu-ray exclusives compared to what's on the DVD is rather miniscule

[cakefactory]

Originally Posted by Cranston37

A factoid from another article that came out today: only 4% of consumers purchase digital content but not physical content

I'd have to see how that statistic was arrived at. If that means "only 4% of people who buy digital have never bought a DVD or CD in their life" I'd believe it. If it means "only 4% of people that buy digital buy more digital than physical" I'd be shocked.

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by mredman

Yes it is. COEXIST. Many people love buying Blu-Rays for their favorites. Its a billion dollar market around the entire world. There was just an article saying digital is selling like crap while people wanna buy physical over digital any day. The rental crowd that did not really buy movies before are on streaming now. Since rental is pretty much dead.

I really never understand why people have a hard time understanding this logic. When Ipod first came around people were so quick to say CDs and physical music is dead, yet here we are in 2016 and Vinyl records are out selling digital music. Why can't people just believe in options? why is it one or the other, clearly companies don't think so. This thread is stupid

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

I really never understand why people have a hard time understanding this logic. When Ipod first came around people were so quick to say CDs and physical music is dead, yet here we are in 2016 and Vinyl records are out selling digital music. Why can't people just believe in options? why is it one or the other, clearly companies don't think so. This thread is stupid

Exactly

It's like saying, "Ah, well, iPhones are available. All other phones are as good as dead!"
What? Landlines still exist. Droid phones exist. Everything can and will coexist.

[Arch Stanton]

I don't think anyone is saying anything like that? It's merely a discussion on the direction the mainstream is taking with regards to movies and how they watch them.

[78deluxe]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

I really never understand why people have a hard time understanding this logic. When Ipod first came around people were so quick to say CDs and physical music is dead, yet here we are in 2016 and Vinyl records are out selling digital music. Why can't people just believe in options? why is it one or the other, clearly companies don't think so. This thread is stupid

Vinyl records are not outselling digital music.

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by 78deluxe

Vinyl records are not outselling digital music.

http://www.ibtimes.com/music-industr...e-2015-2341401

http://fortune.com/2016/04/16/vinyl-...ord-store-day/

http://time.com/3663568/vinyl-sales-increase/

http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-...in-2015__8906/

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome...URL=&referrer=


compared to digital musics decline

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/bu...line.html?_r=5

http://www.musicbusinessworldwide.co...-cd-in-the-uk/

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...o-over/384790/

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016...worse-decline/

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by Arch Stanton

I don't think anyone is saying anything like that? It's merely a discussion on the direction the mainstream is taking with regards to movies and how they watch them.

Yeah, pretty much everyone agrees that
using Amazon Instant Video or Hulu or Cable OnDemand is the 2016 equivalent of "Running to Blockbuster (or your local video store) to Rent and Watch a Movie" in the 90's

[Rich1631]

Lol @ Ant. Dude just pulled out the artillery!!!

[78deluxe]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

http://www.ibtimes.com/music-industr...e-2015-2341401

http://fortune.com/2016/04/16/vinyl-...ord-store-day/

http://time.com/3663568/vinyl-sales-increase/

http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-...in-2015__8906/

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome...URL=&referrer=


compared to digital musics decline

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/bu...line.html?_r=5

http://www.musicbusinessworldwide.co...-cd-in-the-uk/

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...o-over/384790/

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016...worse-decline/

You clearly don't understand the difference between a change in percentage and actual sales/revenue figures.

Digital sales dwarf Vinyl sales. Period.

Time.com mentions 9.2 million records sold in the US last year. (a 52% increase)

In 2015 there were over 240 MILLION CDs sold in the US. Not even remotely close.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by gates70

I have approximately 1200 Blus and I never once activated one of my Digital copies. Not interested in supporting it either.

I will gladly take a few ultraviolet codes off your hands then kind sir

[cakefactory]

Originally Posted by Rich1631

Lol @ Ant. Dude just pulled out the artillery!!!

Unless you actually read any of his links :P He said specifically vinyl is outselling digital, and NONE of those even remotely come close to backing it up, cause it's blatantly untrue.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

I really never understand why people have a hard time understanding this logic. When Ipod first came around people were so quick to say CDs and physical music is dead, yet here we are in 2016 and Vinyl records are out selling digital music. Why can't people just believe in options? why is it one or the other, clearly companies don't think so. This thread is stupid

I've been saying this for a while now in this thread and others. There's no reason we can't have both. Why does everyone need everything to be black or white, one or the other? Streaming and buying physical media fill different roles. Streaming is great for those that want to see films they haven't seen before, or for those that want to be entertained with lots of varying content without spending a lot of money, and for those that don't have a desire to own a large collection of films. Physical media is ideal for those that want to own their films for future preservation, those who value additional content like extras, and appreciate the highest quality available, as well as those who have a taste for older films and foreign films that are only released through specialty labels.

I currently have Amazon Prime for the free shipping. I pay month-to-month. Since I do get streaming included I do stream things on occasion. For instance, I streamed their original series Red Oaks in HDR to get a sample of HDR, but I found the show hilarious and ended up watchinig the whole season. But that doesn't mean I've stopped buying blu-rays. We can have both.

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by 78deluxe

You clearly don't understand the difference between a change in percentage and actual sales/revenue figures.

Digital sales dwarf Vinyl sales. Period.

Time.com mentions 9.2 million records sold in the US last year. (a 52% increase)

In 2015 there were over 240 MILLION CDs sold in the US. Not even remotely close.

Originally Posted by cakefactory

Unless you actually read any of his links :P He said specifically vinyl is outselling digital, and NONE of those even remotely come close to backing it up, cause it's blatantly untrue.

as recently announced that vinyl is the fastest growing music format, having streaming in terms of revenue.

Figures released in the US show that vinyl sales have increased by 52 per cent year-on-year to $222 million (£146m) in the first half of 2015.

Streaming is also on the rise but not as rapidly. Streaming revenue has experienced a 27 per cent increase during the same period to $163 million (£107m), according to the RIAA.

Read more at http://www.nme.com/news/various-arti...MdBk3rCzKF5.99
http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/89616

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I've been saying this for a while now in this thread and others. There's no reason we can't have both. Why does everyone need everything to be black or white, one or the other? Streaming and buying physical media fill different roles. Streaming is great for those that want to see films they haven't seen before, or for those that want to be entertained with lots of varying content without spending a lot of money, and for those that don't have a desire to own a large collection of films. Physical media is ideal for those that want to own their films for future preservation, those who value additional content like extras, and appreciate the highest quality available, as well as those who have a taste for older films and foreign films that are only released through specialty labels.

I currently have Amazon Prime for the free shipping. I pay month-to-month. Since I do get streaming included I do stream things on occasion. For instance, I streamed their original series Red Oaks in HDR to get a sample of HDR, but I found the show hilarious and ended up watchinig the whole season. But that doesn't mean I've stopped buying blu-rays. We can have both.

Your example of Red Oaks is only available on streaming and it is likely to stay that way. So for those of us that care about future preservation that is a title that we can't preserve.

I'd have no problem with streaming if everything was available in both streaming and physical, but the increasing popularity of streaming (and therefore decline of physical) has prevented a physical release of many titles.

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I've been saying this for a while now in this thread and others. There's no reason we can't have both. Why does everyone need everything to be black or white, one or the other? Streaming and buying physical media fill different roles. Streaming is great for those that want to see films they haven't seen before, or for those that want to be entertained with lots of varying content without spending a lot of money, and for those that don't have a desire to own a large collection of films. Physical media is ideal for those that want to own their films for future preservation, those who value additional content like extras, and appreciate the highest quality available, as well as those who have a taste for older films and foreign films that are only released through specialty labels.

I currently have Amazon Prime for the free shipping. I pay month-to-month. Since I do get streaming included I do stream things on occasion. For instance, I streamed their original series Red Oaks in HDR to get a sample of HDR, but I found the show hilarious and ended up watchinig the whole season. But that doesn't mean I've stopped buying blu-rays. We can have both.

Couldn't agree more, for some reason people have issues with options. I don't understand it. I mean shit they just cancelled the prosecution of freaking VHS this year lol. I get a kick out of people that claim somethings is dead when they have no clue what's going on behind the scenes. I remember a few years ago when bestbuy was in trouble all the "pros" we're like time to say goodbye it's end of an era. And yet they are doing better than very and turned around their whole business. Millennials are hard to understand right now with the trends in technology but in the end people like owning things and companies realize that.

[Ant1010]

I personally think studios should start doing limited runs on titles, keep the batches small which will help cut cost for excess product that sits around and push the demand., they release limited quantities and if people really want the titles they sell and if they don't they will eventually and the ones that sell they can release more. Almost like what Sony wants to do with MOD

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

I personally think studios should start doing limited runs on titles, keep the batches small which will help cut cost for excess product that sits around and push the demand., they release limited quantities and if people really want the titles they sell and if they don't they will eventually and the ones that sell they can release more. Almost like what Sony wants to do with MOD

Limited runs are fine, but I don't trust burned discs to last for decades. I'm all for Warner Archives Collection's limited runs of pressed discs. But Sony's recent manufactured-on-demand releases are burned discs.

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by Rich1631

Lol @ Ant. Dude just pulled out the artillery!!!

Lol I was giving an example with vinyls recent success and they took it very literal. They missed the point but oh well. Vinyl/physical is doing great in the music industry and its doing great in the movie industry. Except this past week, it's a big down week, but that will change when civil war, ss, the pets movie and a few others hit video

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Limited runs are fine, but I don't trust burned discs to last for decades. I'm all for Warner Archives Collection's limited runs of pressed discs. But Sony's recent manufactured-on-demand releases are burned discs.

Yeah I agree, that's why I said sort of. If studios put full real efforts in MODs I think it will be the game changer for catalog titles. I'm waiting for a shitload of comedy films to make it over and this would be a perfect opportunity to do that