Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[bdrex28]

Originally Posted by clyon

But.... Studios could care less about how much a player costs, it cost them Nothing, all they care about is how many units (discs) are sold.

Maybe so, and while am not sold that a one day sale is going to do a huge amount, people don't buy software without players. The more players the more software.

[Wet1]

I'm now neutral.

I just grabbed a A2 for $99 from BB. With the 5 free mail-in movies, plus the 2 more of your choice instore or online, there's no way I could sit out any longer. That works out to $14.29 for the 7 movie and they threw in a free POS A2 HD-DVD player.

The BDA needs to do something... or the train just might pass them by.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1158323325814

[Phatferd]

Wal-Mart is doing a special sale tomorrow morning at 8:00am. They will be offering a $99 Toshiba HD-DVD player (the 1080i one). So many people are going to be pissed when they find out it's 1080i and they cannot buy movies like Pirates, Ratatouille, Spider-Man, etc... They will just see the price and HD and think it's a great deal.

http://holiday.ri-walmart.com/?secti...e117144-lLink1

[Wet1]

I'm now neutral.

I just grabbed a A2 for $99 from BB. With the 5 free mail-in movies, plus the 2 more of your choice instore or online, there's no way I could sit out any longer. That works out to $14.29 for the 7 movie and they threw in a free POS A2 HD-DVD player.

The BDA needs to do something... or the train just might pass them by.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1158323325814


I'll buy DUD software only if there's something I really want, or if it's super low price, I might rent a few as well. Then again, I'm really pulling back on my BR software purchases these days too until this stupid war looks to be coming to an end.

[BigB88]

Originally Posted by sj001

Right, cash is key for ANY for profit business, but don't you think IMAGE is important to a publicly-traded company. WB seems to care about it, Paramount, can't say the same.

Yes, I do feel image is important. But you are making an assumption that "WB seems to care about it". I'm not sure I would walk out on that ledge just yet. These guys can turn on a dime as we saw with Paramount/DW. WB is playing it on the fence, they are essentailly saying to HD-DVD, prove your viable or we will dump you. This is the dynamic now being played out and to at least some credit from the HD-DVD perspective, they are doing all they can to prove that viability. If I were in the BDA I would be saying, the hell with this, we now have HD-DVD almost down and out and what do winners do when they have their opponent "almost down and out"? Of course, the KICK THEM AGAIN and AGAIN until their completely dead. It seems to me that the BDA is saying, "Here, take my hand, I'll let you get back up" -- Doesn't make sense.

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by SpikesBluBlooded

I have to agree with br85 here thrlride. Every time I see your posts they are suspiciously close to sounding biased towards DUD, or at best, trying to play devil's advocate (no pun intended from the previousy posts). My friend, you have feathers, and I'm wondering if there are webbed feet hidden in your shoes. Honestly, you sound like a very intelligent fanboy, one who knows where the limits are and how not to cross the line, just staying on the fringe of being a blatant troll. The number of posts you've managed without being banned is impressive, but I really wonder how much longer you can keep your "objectivity" without revealing alterior motives for being on this site. I know this isn't going to be well-received, but at the same time, I could no longer keep quiet, either. In the end, if you truly are Blu, then maybe you should think twice about posting only those things that make DUD look positive, rather than doing apples to apples comparisons. I'm sure if Sony put out a toaster, that the GE comparable model would trounce it. But then, I don't think Sony when I think toasters, so I wouldn't see the need to post statistics just to make them look bad...

This made me smile and I thank you. I guess you could say I am playing devils advocate more than being one sided. I admitted other times that I am neutral and that is true. Honestly I don't want to get banned as I like to stay up on what both sides are doing. I also don't feel right shaking blu pom-poms when I disagree with something.

Thanks again though, I do appreciate your comment.

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by Wet1

I'm now neutral.

I just grabbed a A2 for $99 from BB. With the 5 free mail-in movies, plus the 2 more of your choice instore or online, there's no way I could sit out any longer. That works out to $14.29 for the 7 movie and they threw in a free POS A2 HD-DVD player.

The BDA needs to do something... or the train just might pass them by.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1158323325814

Why would you post this bullshit in the Insiders Thread?? Isn't this thread cluttered enough???

[Sonny]

Sorry I'm just tired of hearing about 98$ players

[plee]

Originally Posted by Wet1

I'm now neutral.

I just grabbed a A2 for $99 from BB. With the 5 free mail-in movies, plus the 2 more of your choice instore or online, there's no way I could sit out any longer. That works out to $14.29 for the 7 movie and they threw in a free POS A2 HD-DVD player.

The BDA needs to do something... or the train just might pass them by.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1158323325814

Yea...so now you fell into the trap of prolonging the war...

[tobytobe2002]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

Ok calm down. Let's do some math here. On this 3 day $98 HD DVD sale Walmart is selling what 1 million players nation wide. Walmart is losing $40 per player sold. Take 1,000,000x(-40)=(-40,000,000), wow that is a sweet deal. Toshiba is losing close to $100 per player sold to Walmart do the math. The industry knows this. They know that the only way to sell HD DVD players is by taking HUGE loses. This is not a good thing. Yes, I am spinning this for blu-ray, but it is not in any way good for HD DVD to sell at this much loss.

Toshiba may be losing millions on this deal but that doesn't mean it's not a smart business move if HD DVD ultimately wins or at least survives the format war.
Sony is doing the same thing with the PS3 (and probably taking significantly larger losses) in its effort to win both the console and HD format wars.

IMO losing millions (even hundreds of millions) is a gamble that both sides are increasingly showing they will take for a chance at the big prize -
billions of dollars in royalties for the next decade or so.

[SpikesBluBlooded]

You're quite welcome. And thanks for not taking it as just bashing, I really wouldn't want to see you banned if you're just a neutral supporter, but I did want you to know how it looked...

[HDTV1080P]

This is an interesting read.
http://www.tvpredictions.com/blubegs110107.htm

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by SpikesBluBlooded

You're quite welcome. And thanks for not taking it as just bashing, I really wouldn't want to see you banned if you're just a neutral supporter, but I did want you to know how it looked...

I'd rather look like an intelligent neutral person so I'll work on that. Thanks!

[BigB88]

Originally Posted by mdm1699

All of this sounds cute but does not answer my questions. As far as the BDA or anyone introducing something new is concerned, investment costs are recouped in the introductory-growth phase of the product cycle. Not via losses. As far as his "thriving business" is concerned, this is only possible via private investors(in which case he is no longer the sole owner) or issuing stock. He is not running a public company. This is all so dumb. Do you see Intel, Microsoft, Motorola, P&G, John Deere, Wendy's, Burger King, etc etc etc selling a new product at a loss? Get real! It is usually pulled from the market/discontinued once it gets to that point.

Microsoft was and I believe still is selling the Zune at a loss, they also sold the XBOX at a loss initially as do other companies initially introduce product at a loss to gain market share - common practice. Game over.. I'm sorry but you really don't know what your talking about. I won't be responding to any more of this, it just seems that your simply trying to fan the flames of the discussion.

[br85]

Originally Posted by Wet1

I'm now neutral.

I just grabbed a A2 for $99 from BB. With the 5 free mail-in movies, plus the 2 more of your choice instore or online, there's no way I could sit out any longer. That works out to $14.29 for the 7 movie and they threw in a free POS A2 HD-DVD player.

The BDA needs to do something... or the train just might pass them by.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1158323325814

Wrong. BDA is making a profit. Studios (like warner, fox, and disney) are hardly so fickle as to back a format that is literally throwing millions of players and discs at the market for free screaming like crazed psychopaths, "SEE?!? OUR FORMAT IS WINNING! LOOK HOW MANY HD DVDs THERE ARE!!! HAHAHA!" and losing billions of dollars in the process.

Think about that.

[The Don]

yawn...more crap..

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by Paladin

I think many people miss the fact that HD DVD has a lot of catch-up to do, and one Holiday season isn't going to do it. Look, Transformers HD DVD couldn't even win them a week, and it wasn't even up against an A list Blu Ray release. Blu Ray won the week with catalog titles. In order for them to make an impact, they'll need to move a ton of these BEFORE Christmas and not as Christmas presents. If they all wind up as Christmas presents they won't have an impact in movie sales until after Christmas.

They also have to sell more players then PS3s, and it looks like the PS3s are having a hot Christmas this year.

Paladin

I agree they have a ton of catching up to do, I disagree that it need not be Christmas presents. Chances are when they sell a $200 hd-dvd player they will buy a few movies too. IMO of course.

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by JTK

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1158323325814

Looks like other retailers are doing the same thing.

Is this perhaps an outright official price drop to clear these units out or what?

Dang. Just tried to buy one and every BBuy within 100 miles is out. Have to keep watch on Amazon,Wally World and CCity.

[mdm1699]

Originally Posted by BigB88

Microsoft was and I believe still is selling the Zune at a loss, they also sold the XBOX at a loss initially as do other companies initially introduce product at a loss to gain market share - common practice. Game over.. I'm sorry but you really don't know what your talking about. I won't be responding to any more of this, it just seems that your simply trying to fan the flames of the discussion.

Genius! Toshiba is selling at a loss as well. They are all PUBLIC companies. I am still waiting to hear how YOU do it.

[Amel]

swanni

is half man half amazing

he runs his own company with only one employee, himself

he is the president, the ceo, the manager, the writer, the secretary, the cleaning person, the designer.....