Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by schlock

4K tv's are only popular now because that's the new gadget that retailers like Best Buy are pushing to the populace. The general public will buy their new 4K tv and have no clue what that even means, just like they originally were clueless about widescreen tv's and then stretched out all their 4x3 tv shows. Very few would know the difference between 1080p or 4K. They just see the 4K tv model on display at the store, and are told it's the best one and the new 'thing', so they buy it.

Most people don't even know what a Blu-Ray disc is. Do you think they're suddenly going to go out and seek out UHD movies now that they bought a 4K tv? I'd say at least 90% of consumers who have purchased their new 4K tv will still watch everything via streaming, won't even have a disc player (DVD, Blu, or UHD) at all, and won't have a clue that they're not really utilizing 4K much at all.

Haven't been in a Best Buy in 11 months.
Do they still sell 1080p TVs?
I hope so.
When one of my existing TVs die, I don't want to replace it with a 4K. I simply want a new 1080p Samsung Smart TV

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

Haven't been in a Best Buy in 11 months.
Do they still sell 1080p TVs?
I hope so.
When one of my existing TVs die, I don't want to replace it with a 4K. I simply want a new 1080p Samsung Smart TV

1080p TVs are still being sold at Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Target, etc., but they are slowly going extinct in favor of 4K TVs. I would bet that by 2020 you won't be able to purchase a 1080p TV under 40" in a store.

[castor]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Storage is certainly a concern for smaller dwellings but I have my almost 200 disc collection in a fairly cheap storage rack that I got at Best Buy which hold like 500++ movies and is only about 6 inches deep and about 3 feet wide.

Does Best Buy still sell this rack? What's it called?

[rexcrk]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

As for rewatching movies, I'm curious-- how big is your collection and how much of it do you rewatch at least semi-regularly? I bought a lot of DVDs and Blu-Rays over the years, and I'd say at least half of my collection just sits and I've never felt like rewatching them after about 2-3 views. There will always be a handful of films and shows I love watching again and again (like Star Wars and Lord of the Rings as you've mentioned) but practically speaking I don't anymore feel like the majority of media really begs for physical ownership. That's just me though.

This is my collection: http://rexcrk.filmaf.com/owned

It's certainly more movies and shows than any of my friends own lol but it might be kind of tame compared to some users here lol. There are some movies I own that I haven't watched very often, maybe even in years, but I just don't want to get rid of them for whatever reason. Even if I don't watch them a lot, it's nice to know they're there.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by emmet otter

The Batman Professor,

I most certainly agree and on your side with all you just stated on this page. Completely valid points. I'm not surprised by those students in your classroom.

I really do hope that bluray is the end of the line for me. I myself went through all phases of media, VHS, LD (painfully expensive) and DVD. Im happy with the bluray quality. I thought the same thing with TCM on 4K. I was like, whatever man, you cant squeeze much out of this compared to what we already have. Even the best bluray of TCM looks like a standard HD bluray to my eyes and is gorgeous compared to what ive had in the past.

I hope 4K drops like a ton of shit!

*EDIT* THE ONLY WAY I would feel forced to switch over to 4K is if they offered both versions of full frame and widescreen versions of the movie and lossless 24bit original audio tracks. THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY!! Otherwise I hope it dies.

Thats a shame you feel like that as 4K can look stunning.

[emmet otter]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Thats a shame you feel like that as 4K can look stunning.

But is it truly night and day difference? I mean, to really get the most benefits from it would be imo a 100+ inch screen to even notice a good difference. Do you really think the "home theater in a box" crowd would convert their little 1080p theater setup for a slightly better resolution? As it is right now, The Revenant bluray on a 50-60" looks stunning. And as many have mentioned here, a lot of people are still on DVD. Ive read many times that people just dont have the bandwidth to stream 4k good. I dont think that in this case people are going to rush to convert over to 4k UHD physical media when we are already discussing its possible demise.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

1080p TVs are still being sold at Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Target, etc., but they are slowly going extinct in favor of 4K TVs. I would bet that by 2020 you won't be able to purchase a 1080p TV under 40" in a store.

Well, when it's time to replace any of our 1080p TVs in the house, I want to replace em with a top of the line 1080p Smart TV (being only one of them is Smart). They should be down in price since I last bought em, right? I have no interest in buying a 4K TV.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by emmet otter

But is it truly night and day difference? I mean, to really get the most benefits from it would be imo a 100+ inch screen to even notice a good difference. Do you really think the "home theater in a box" crowd would convert their little 1080p theater setup for a slightly better resolution? As it is right now, The Revenant bluray on a 50-60" looks stunning. And as many have mentioned here, a lot of people are still on DVD. Ive read many times that people just dont have the bandwidth to stream 4k good. I dont think that in this case people are going to rush to convert over to 4k UHD physical media when we are already discussing its possible demise.

Yes the difference is very real, and no it does not need to be a 100" screen.

Manufactures are certainly putting their money where their mouth is and investing heavily in 4K. I do remember many of the same comments when Blu ray came along.

[bigshot]

It depends on how close you sit to the screen. I have a 100 inch projection system, and with very well mastered anamorphic DVDs there isn't always that much of a difference between DVD and blu-ray at a reasonable viewing distance. In fact, I watched a whole series of a recent BBC program thinking it was a blu-ray set, only to discover at the end as I was putting the box away that it was DVDs.

[Cranston37]

To those who are forgoing 4K and just buying 1080p for future purposes... Don't forget that a 4K system will upconvert your existing Blu-rays to make them look even better...

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by Cranston37

To those who are forgoing 4K and just buying 1080p for future purposes... Don't forget that a 4K system will upconvert your existing Blu-rays to make them look even better...

Yeah of course.
When they stop making 1080p sets, I will buy a 4K TV. And when they stop making standard blu-ray players, I'll buy a UHD 4K blu player. But I can't see re-buying any movie title on another new format when Blu-ray still feels new

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by schlock

4K tv's are only popular now because that's the new gadget that retailers like Best Buy are pushing to the populace. The general public will buy their new 4K tv and have no clue what that even means, just like they originally were clueless about widescreen tv's and then stretched out all their 4x3 tv shows. Very few would know the difference between 1080p or 4K. They just see the 4K tv model on display at the store, and are told it's the best one and the new 'thing', so they buy it.

Most people don't even know what a Blu-Ray disc is. Do you think they're suddenly going to go out and seek out UHD movies now that they bought a 4K tv? I'd say at least 90% of consumers who have purchased their new 4K tv will still watch everything via streaming, won't even have a disc player (DVD, Blu, or UHD) at all, and won't have a clue that they're not really utilizing 4K much at all.

I agree 100% with everything you say here. It's sad, but it's true. Almost every TV in Best Buy now is 4k. So if you need a new TV that's what you're likely to be buying. But that doesn't mean they know what 4k or UHD means, or care about it. Many people have 3D capabilities on their TVs and don't even know it. Most people seem ignorant of technology outside of their phones, sadly. They know every feature of their phones because they stare at them all day, but don't bother to understand how to switch picture modes or aspect ratios on their TV. Sad.

[film11]

Originally Posted by emmet otter

But is it truly night and day difference? I mean, to really get the most benefits from it would be imo a 100+ inch screen to even notice a good difference. Do you really think the "home theater in a box" crowd would convert their little 1080p theater setup for a slightly better resolution? As it is right now, The Revenant bluray on a 50-60" looks stunning. And as many have mentioned here, a lot of people are still on DVD. Ive read many times that people just dont have the bandwidth to stream 4k good. I dont think that in this case people are going to rush to convert over to 4k UHD physical media when we are already discussing its possible demise.

The difference between VHS and LaserDisc was night and day. The difference between DVD and HD was night and day. That is not the case with Blu-ray and UHD. I have seen a few full length movies on 55-inch and 65-inch UHD televisions. They have been either negligible differences, or the same, and in 2 cases even worse then good up-rezzed 1080p Blu-ray. I don't care what anyone says... And I still have 20/20 vision. On a recent viewing of BvS, I had to squint with my face two or three feet from the screen to even notice "Oh ok, I think I see a slightly clearer fold in the cape." There is such a thing as gilding the lily and how much the human eye can accurately perceive. At the recent 2016 IFA, 8k sets have been introduced already!!. My best advice is to see a UHD disc for yourself and use your own judgment. Don't be swayed by anything you read here or elsewhere. If you see a night and day difference by all means go for it.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by film11

The difference between VHS and LaserDisc was night and day. The difference between DVD and HD was night and day. That is not the case with Blu-ray and UHD. I have seen a few full length movies on 55-inch and 65-inch UHD televisions. They have been either negligible differences, or the same, and in 2 cases even worse then good up-rezzed 1080p Blu-ray. I don't care what anyone says... And I still have 20/20 vision. On a recent viewing of BvS, I had to squint with my face two or three feet from the screen to even notice "Oh ok, I think I see a slightly clearer fold in the cape." There is such a thing as gilding the lily and how much the human eye can accurately perceive. At the recent 2016 IFA, 8k sets have been introduced. My best advice is to see a UHD disc for yourself and use your own judgment. Don't be swayed by anything you read here or elsewhere. If you see a night and day difference by all means go for it.

This was my thinking.

But is UHD not solely about resolution, but more about proper color? Is the color where we'd see the difference?

[Ggould1975]

Originally Posted by film11

The difference between VHS and LaserDisc was night and day. The difference between DVD and HD was night and day. That is not the case with Blu-ray and UHD. I have seen a few full length movies on 55-inch and 65-inch UHD televisions. They have been either negligible differences, or the same, and in 2 cases even worse then good up-rezzed 1080p Blu-ray. I don't care what anyone says... And I still have 20/20 vision. On a recent viewing of BvS, I had to squint with my face two or three feet from the screen to even notice "Oh ok, I think I see a slightly clearer fold in the cape." There is such a thing as gilding the lily and how much the human eye can accurately perceive. At the recent 2016 IFA, 8k sets have been introduced. My best advice is to see a UHD disc for yourself and use your own judgment. Don't be swayed by anything you read here or elsewhere. If you see a night and day difference by all means go for it.

That's a great way to put it! Totally agree

[film11]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

This was my thinking.

But is UHD not solely about resolution, but more about proper color? Is the color where we'd see the difference?

In my cases, the most primary color difference I noticed was on Mad Max, and in that case I felt it was oversaturated. There were other issues with that title...like snow--in the desert! The person who owned the set had to get up 3 times to try and adjust the settings to make it look good.
(That movie is more entertaining in 3D anyway. )
In fairness, I should reiterate that I have only seen a handful of titles from start to finish with that format. And any differences I did see were minor. That is why I recommend that people should see for themselves based on real time and not print articles. Speaking just for myself, a Blu-ray played on a machine that can up - convert looks spectacular...to the point I can't justify spending hundreds more for a machine and repurchasing movies on a 4K disc that actually comes from 2K sources anyway.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by film11

In my cases, the most primary color difference I noticed was on Mad Max, and in that case I felt it was oversaturated. There were other issues with that title. The person who owned the set had to get up 3 times to try and adjust the settings to make it look good.

In fairness, I should reiterate that I have only seen a handful of titles from start to finish with that format. And any differences I did see were minor. That is why I recommend that people should see for themselves based on real time and not print articles. Speaking just for myself, a Blu-ray played on a machine that can up - convert looks spectacular...to the point I can't justify spending hundreds more for a machine and repurchasing movies on a 4K disc that actually comes from 2K sources anyway.

Jeez. Sounds like a hassle. Had to keep adjusting to get it to look right?

There's NO WAY the average person is going to know what to do, what they're doing, nor how to do it...etc when it comes to 4K. If people in HERE aren't taking the plunge, you can bet there will be way less out there. I mean, we're it! We are the target demo. Blu-ray.com members!!! If we're not all on board, then, rest in peace UHD4K

[logboy]

biggest issue i have is with what's potentially anticompetitive self-selling from labels, the need to cover costs of creating better masters or new restorations that work for BD - seems to lead to higher prices, shipping, potential eBay scalping and focus or rarity in physical form that fetishises packaging. other than this, the retread of ground makes finding new viewing experiences harder work as well as more expensive or risky, less tempting with BD.

[film11]

I certainly had to ask myself why I was not seeing what the promos are indicating I should see. I wonder if those who think it is a night and day difference are actually seeing the improvements that come from a brand new 4K television. Everything is going to look better on these sets then whatever you had before. The REAL tech advancements here are the TVs themselves, not the players and discs. Some higher end sets even support 2160 4K3D!! But the 4K BD players don't...although current 3D on 4K sets look amazing; the best I've ever seen on a panel display.

BTW, although this is NOT to make a point or be indicative of anything, I got a wee chuckle out of this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-UBD-...sAAOSwGtRXyzSs

[headphones]

Originally Posted by film11

The difference between VHS and LaserDisc was night and day. The difference between DVD and HD was night and day. That is not the case with Blu-ray and UHD. I have seen a few full length movies on 55-inch and 65-inch UHD televisions. They have been either negligible differences, or the same, and in 2 cases even worse then good up-rezzed 1080p Blu-ray. I don't care what anyone says... And I still have 20/20 vision. On a recent viewing of BvS, I had to squint with my face two or three feet from the screen to even notice "Oh ok, I think I see a slightly clearer fold in the cape." There is such a thing as gilding the lily and how much the human eye can accurately perceive. At the recent 2016 IFA, 8k sets have been introduced. My best advice is to see a UHD disc for yourself and use your own judgment. Don't be swayed by anything you read here or elsewhere. If you see a night and day difference by all means go for it.

There was a great youtube video. I wish I could remember it. But it got like 20 people who claimed they had 4K TVs, and they knew the difference. And they were showed a series of videos, some 4K, and some 1080p. They even threw in a few red herrings, like showing two 1080p videos, and asked them to identify which one was 4K. They either all got it wrong, or couldn't tell the difference.