Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[rjg]

Isnt this crap 1080i?
First of all, when they ask at a store about this, the first question they will ask will probably be "will i be able to watch all the high definition movies on this thing?" or "Can i watch Pirates or spiderman?" to which the store rep will have to explain that this crappy machine does not, and it doesnt even support FULL HD, so either no buy and leave with a confused customer on the best way to upgrade to HD or for a few dollars more get a real HD player (Blu only)

[Sleuth255]

Average consumers need to see a $99 blu-ray player sitting right next to the A2.

That will make them ask "What the heck is this blu-ray & hd-dvd thing?". It will stop the knee-jerk "HD Christmas present" compulsion buy and promote format research. Blu-ray will win with any consumer who takes time to do the research. My point is this: Many potential buyers don't even know there's two formats. They've ignored HD in general for now b/c the players were priced out of their range & they didn't have cheap HD TVs.

Now this has changed just in time for Christmas. HD TV's can be had for <$1000. From a player perspective, at $99 these same consumers can just buy because it says "HD" on it and the in-store displays show wonderful demo material.

[gearyt]

what would happen if each of us
spent $98 and bought one
just to destroy it
Hmmmmm. Cost of Mfg = $300+, loss per player >$200 +
and no, yes no sales increase for the red

[nails]

So, why arn't they just giving them away for free?

[maconomics]

People will purchase the cheap player and then they will realize! Where are the Disney movies, the Die Hards, The Spiderman trilogy, The Pirates trilogy and others......Well there not on HD-DVD poor consumer. Their reaction will be f>ck I should have purchased a Bluray player.

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by Sleuth255

Average consumers need to see a $99 blu-ray player sitting right next to the A2.

That will make them ask "What the heck is this blu-ray & hd-dvd thing?". It will stop the knee-jerk "HD Christmas present" compulsion buy and promote format research. Blu-ray will win with any consumer who takes time to do the research. My point is this: Many potential buyers don't even know there's two formats. They've ignored HD in general for now b/c the players were priced out of their range & they didn't have cheap HD TVs.

Now this has changed just in time for Christmas. HD TV's can be had for <$1000. From a player perspective, at $99 these same consumers can just buy because it says "HD" on it and the in-store displays show wonderful demo material.

I think the american public will gladly pay $400 for a BD player that plays disney movies instead of a $100 HD player that will play dreamworks movies.

[SNAP]

Because they cant charge for the movies and give away the player for the simple reason: There arent any movies.

Originally Posted by nails

So, why arn't they just giving them away for free?

[stewiems]

I pray to god that Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, Sharp drop their prices on players by Christmas....we really need a major drop in price...believe it or not the $98 HD DUD player will really hurt us....most people besides the really dedicated such as ourselves on this forum really don't care about 1080p...they are pretty happy with 720p/1080i and upconversion of DVD....really guys that is the truth!!!! A $399 PS3 in nice but isn't really gonna get it..now is it?

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by SamInNorthCakalakey

Good thinking on the other room stuff but why would they do that in light of what Warner is hinting at?

If you go and read AVSForum.com, you'll know that Warner Bros. is hinting at HD DVD exclusivity!

Seriously though, even the ones who aren't delusional enough to truly believe that that Warner Bros. was hinting at HD DVD exclusivity could believe that good player sales could affect WB's thinking.

That being said, $99 is a pretty good deal for a good upconverting player...

~Alan

[br85]

Originally Posted by nails

So, why arn't they just giving them away for free?

They are doing just that. The price tag is only there to make sure that people without HDTV's don't go rushing in to pick one up cos it's a freebie (even though I'm sure many idiots will anyway).

[br85]

Originally Posted by stewiems

I pray to god that Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, Sharp drop their prices on players by Christmas....we really need a major drop in price...believe it or not the $98 HD DUD player will really hurt us....most people besides the really dedicated such as ourselves on this forum really don't care about 1080p...they are pretty happy with 720p/1080i and upconversion of DVD....really guys that is the truth!!!! A $399 PS3 in nice but isn't really gonna get it..now is it?

We don't need a drop in price. Toshiba is going to put themselves out of the war, without any help from the BDA.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by stewiems

they are pretty happy with 720p/1080i and upconversion of DVD....really guys that is the truth!!!! A $399 PS3 in nice but isn't really gonna get it..now is it?

You do know that the $399 PS 3 is going to sell more than all stand alone HD DVD and Blu Ray players combined this Xmas season right?

A lot of those cheap HD DVD players are just going to end up up-converting DVDs and not leading to a lot of HD DVD sales.

Paladin

[MaleManGuy]

Originally Posted by iceperson

Feel free to search AVS for my posts (same username), I've been beating down HD-DVD fanboys over there for months. That doesn't change the fact that Blu-ray needs a low-cost player that people can pickup for second and third units for rooms that might not have reference level equipment. For instance, I have a cheap 32" hd lcd in my bedroom that I'd love to be able to watch my blu-ray titles on, but for $400 it's not worth it.

I am all for cheaper Blu-ray players... considering I haven't purchased one yet. Altho I notice Sony has quite a few different models ranging from $500 up to $1300... yikes. I am considering the new Panasonic p1.1 player... or a 40GB PS3... just waiting for either to be available :-) The sony S500 is cute with the sliding glass door... u pay for the cute extras and decoders and flexibility perhaps.

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by Paladin

You do know that the $399 PS 3 is going to sell more than all stand alone HD DVD and Blu Ray players combined this Xmas season right?

A lot of those cheap HD DVD players are just going to end up up-converting DVDs and not leading to a lot of HD DVD sales.

Paladin

I agree with this for sure. I would guess that the majority of the PS3's being sold will not move BD's either though. It'd be interesting to see how that played out.

[maximus2323]

Originally Posted by stewiems

I pray to god that Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, Sharp drop their prices on players by Christmas....we really need a major drop in price...believe it or not the $98 HD DUD player will really hurt us....most people besides the really dedicated such as ourselves on this forum really don't care about 1080p...they are pretty happy with 720p/1080i and upconversion of DVD....really guys that is the truth!!!! A $399 PS3 in nice but isn't really gonna get it..now is it?

Don't understand the panic for a sale that will end eventually.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by thrlride

I agree with this for sure. I would guess that the majority of the PS3's being sold will not move BD's either though. It'd be interesting to see how that played out.

While the movie per unit will be lower on the PS3, it will still be millions of PS3s sold vs hundreds of thousands of the stand alone. Why do you think that Blu Ray has the edge now? PS3, and it's just gonna get worse.

Paladin

[E-Dogg]

BLU-RAY IS AWAKE....


http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh..._Campaign/1133

[maximus2323]

Originally Posted by E-Dogg

BLU-RAY IS AWAKE....


http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh..._Campaign/1133

Oh yes, they have a great public display. Last year was not so pretty.

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by Paladin

While the movie per unit will be lower on the PS3, it will still be millions of PS3s sold vs hundreds of thousands of the stand alone. Why do you think that Blu Ray has the edge now? PS3, and it's just gonna get worse.

Paladin

I agree with that totally.

[mj23007]

Well since I started this post I will finish it. To clarify.... I have a ps3 sxrd 60" onkyo 605, xbox360 with hd dvd. Simply put I know alot of people who would buy an hd dvd drive if it were 100/150. To the average joe PRICE is what matters. That is why the 360 sold 11million units and the ps3 cant compete. That said. the hd a2 is a piece of crap and 1080p should be the standard. I for one love the blu ray player over the hd dvd any day of the week. BUT Sony doesnt ever compete on their pricing and that is why they always lose fornat battles...simply put they are arrogant So I strongly hope blu wins, but if they dont they can only point the finger at themselves.


P.S. If warner goes all in for blu its over anyway. but that also means you better get used to payin 23-29 bucks for a blu ray, which is upsurd!