Oh noes teh sky is falling! - Page 53 - Blu-ray Forum

MacHaggis · 11-01-2007, 07:02 PM

I've been reading all these posts on the price of Blu-ray and many of you have valid points.

Unfortunately, there is no one clear answer...

Yes, having a $100 player is great for selling more hardware, but at the cost of losing $$$ per unit.

Having sold more hardware will translate into more sales of the media (that is a long term view).

I believe that Blu-ray needs to have low prices to compete, but I also believe that there should be a range of players, from high-end (Denon, Sony, etc.) to low-end (some Chinese no-name player) and anywhere in between.

The gradual drop in hardware prices will take place, given enough time for the format to survive. This is where the balancing act comes in.

The advantage that the BDA has is the multitude of CE vendors, which offers them some flexibility and better strategy. This must be exploited at all times.

As far as pricing is concerned... look at the prices for SD-DVD movies... they came down in time. You don't need the format wars for that to happen.

Look at the history of personal computers for some hindsight...

Do not let egos come in the way of decision making.... we need a balance in our strategy.

Bogdan

PS. As long as Microsoft is involved... I would take nothing for granted!

kaliraver · 11-01-2007, 07:03 PM

Don't ban him, we need pro-blu trolls

sj001 · 11-01-2007, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mj23007

Well since I started this post I will finish it. To clarify.... I have a ps3 sxrd 60" onkyo 605, xbox360 with hd dvd. Simply put I know alot of people who would buy an hd dvd drive if it were 100/150. To the average joe PRICE is what matters. That is why the 360 sold 11million units and the ps3 cant compete. That said. the hd a2 is a piece of crap and 1080p should be the standard. I for one love the blu ray player over the hd dvd any day of the week. BUT Sony doesnt ever compete on their pricing and that is why they always lose fornat battles...simply put they are arrogant So I strongly hope blu wins, but if they dont they can only point the finger at themselves.

P.S. If warner goes all in for blu its over anyway. but that also means you better get used to payin 23-29 bucks for a blu ray, which is upsurd!

Maybe so, but isn't Microsoft arrogant as well? I would say Toshiba as well, considering how I've been treated when I've worked with their products. So a lot of companies could be tossed under that moniker.

Spankey · 11-01-2007, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maximiza

sounds like a paper launch

Yep, there will probably very limited quantities of these, just to get people through the doors. Stop worrying about HD-DVD. They are doing NOTHING. Buy Blu and keep buying.

sj001 · 11-01-2007, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thrlride

Why not? BD is a premium over DVD. There are just too many DVD's on the market for to expect a huge exodus anytime soon.

DVDs were up in this price range when they first came out, and VHS, I won't even go there. How is this different? Prices will come down on media.

turboLAZER · 11-01-2007, 07:07 PM

probably old news but,

first search result on MSN after typing in "bluray" is

http://www.campaignhd.com/807_State_Of_BD.html

i'm not impressed

thrlride · 11-01-2007, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sj001

DVDs were up in this price range when they first came out, and VHS, I won't even go there. How is this different? Prices will come down on media.

Many have said they can't lower prices on movies otherwise why would studios even release a premium product for the same price as dvd. You're assuming HD will replace DVD. I'm assuming they won't.

kaliraver · 11-01-2007, 07:11 PM

garbage.

Titan · 11-01-2007, 07:11 PM

That whole thing is a load of crap

BluOgre · 11-01-2007, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turboLAZER

probably old news but,

first search result on MSN after typing in "bluray" is

http://www.campaignhd.com/807_State_Of_BD.html

i'm not impressed

Some people care way too much about this war..........that looks more like Baghdad Bob than anything else.

Y3k Bug · 11-01-2007, 07:13 PM

If I recall correctly, that's run by a guy over on AVS...Not surprising really.

MacHaggis · 11-01-2007, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thrlride

Many have said they can't lower prices on movies otherwise why would studios even release a premium product for the same price as dvd. You're assuming HD will replace DVD. I'm assuming they won't.

I think that HD media will replace DVDs, but at a much slower rate than DVDs replaced VHS... and the format war is not helping that adoption.

Bogdan

Goodguy818 · 11-01-2007, 07:14 PM

Its a fanboy website>.<

CAB · 11-01-2007, 07:16 PM

They are still letting Theodore Kaczynski blog from prison? Color me surprised.

thrlride · 11-01-2007, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacHaggis

I think that HD media will replace DVDs, but at a much slower rate than DVDs replaced VHS... and the format war is not helping that adoption.

Bogdan

Fair enough.

When do you foresee dvd's no longer being available?

Terjyn · 11-01-2007, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mj23007

BUT Sony doesnt ever compete on their pricing and that is why they always lose fornat battles.

You are so right.

Playstation? Never heard of it, it was drowned under by the Nintendo 64.

Playstation 2? Dominated by the Gamecube and Xbox.

CDs? Who'd ever want these? Cassettes FTW!

My god if one more person posts that Sony always loses format battles I'm going to go postal.

MacHaggis · 11-01-2007, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thrlride

Fair enough.

When do you foresee dvd's no longer being available?

Unfortuately, not for a long time, especially with the backwards compatibility in the new high def (generic term used) players.

Edit: What I do see is that once the hardware prices come down low enough, very few people will buy an SD DVD player. I just hope that this battle will be over, with Blu-ray as victor.

Bogdan

SpikesBluBlooded · 11-01-2007, 07:21 PM

It's clearly FUD. Anyone who is looking for information on Blu-ray and comes across this will quickly dismiss it as fanboyism, whether they know to call it that or not...

thrlride · 11-01-2007, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terjyn

You are so right.

Playstation? Never heard of it, it was drowned under by the Nintendo 64.

Playstation 2? Dominated by the Gamecube and Xbox.

CDs? Who'd ever want these? Cassettes FTW!

My god if one more person posts that Sony always loses format battles I'm going to go postal.

Last time I checked ps1 was cdrom, ps2 was cdrom and dvd.

CptGreedle · 11-01-2007, 07:24 PM

It is obviously FUD. Who would look at one site like that and stop anyways? They would keep looking if they are doing research.
Also the "comments" are probably all from the same guy making up names and outright lying. "Look at the sales numbers..." is a load of crap. If anyone DID look at the sales numbers, they'd see the market is TOTALLY Blu-ray!

11-01-2007, 07:02 PM	#1041
MacHaggis Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Burbank, CA Blu-ray collection:102	My take... I've been reading all these posts on the price of Blu-ray and many of you have valid points. Unfortunately, there is no one clear answer... Yes, having a $100 player is great for selling more hardware, but at the cost of losing $$$ per unit. Having sold more hardware will translate into more sales of the media (that is a long term view). I believe that Blu-ray needs to have low prices to compete, but I also believe that there should be a range of players, from high-end (Denon, Sony, etc.) to low-end (some Chinese no-name player) and anywhere in between. The gradual drop in hardware prices will take place, given enough time for the format to survive. This is where the balancing act comes in. The advantage that the BDA has is the multitude of CE vendors, which offers them some flexibility and better strategy. This must be exploited at all times. As far as pricing is concerned... look at the prices for SD-DVD movies... they came down in time. You don't need the format wars for that to happen. Look at the history of personal computers for some hindsight... Do not let egos come in the way of decision making.... we need a balance in our strategy. Bogdan PS. As long as Microsoft is involved... I would take nothing for granted! Last edited by MacHaggis; 11-01-2007 at 07:07 PM.

11-01-2007, 07:07 PM	#1046
turboLAZER Active Member Member since:May 2007 Home Theater Gallery:9 Blu-ray collection:63	www.campaignhd.com probably old news but, first search result on MSN after typing in "bluray" is http://www.campaignhd.com/807_State_Of_BD.html i'm not impressed

11-01-2007, 07:03 PM	#1042
kaliraver Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2007 Location:San Francisco Bay Blu-Ray SteelBooks™: (150+) Blu-ray collection:373 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:285	Don't ban him, we need pro-blu trolls

11-01-2007, 07:11 PM	#1048
kaliraver Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2007 Location:San Francisco Bay Blu-Ray SteelBooks™: (150+) Blu-ray collection:373 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:285	garbage.

11-01-2007, 07:11 PM	#1049
Titan Active Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:San Diego Blu-ray collection:101	That whole thing is a load of crap

11-01-2007, 07:13 PM	#1051
Y3k Bug Senior Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Arizona Blu-ray collection:666	If I recall correctly, that's run by a guy over on AVS...Not surprising really.

11-01-2007, 07:14 PM	#1053
Goodguy818 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Burbank, CA Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:536 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:59	Its a fanboy website>.<

11-01-2007, 07:16 PM	#1054
CAB Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2007 Location:::1 4K collection:88 Blu-ray collection:1827 Trading Score:4	They are still letting Theodore Kaczynski blog from prison? Color me surprised.

11-01-2007, 07:21 PM	#1058
SpikesBluBlooded Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Orlando, FL Blu-ray collection:719 Trading Score:1	It's clearly FUD. Anyone who is looking for information on Blu-ray and comes across this will quickly dismiss it as fanboyism, whether they know to call it that or not...

11-01-2007, 07:24 PM	#1060
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	It is obviously FUD. Who would look at one site like that and stop anyways? They would keep looking if they are doing research. Also the "comments" are probably all from the same guy making up names and outright lying. "Look at the sales numbers..." is a load of crap. If anyone DID look at the sales numbers, they'd see the market is TOTALLY Blu-ray!

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