Oh noes teh sky is falling! - Page 9 - Blu-ray Forum

Marcusarilius · 10-30-2007, 05:09 AM

I agree with all of the above! Those HD DVD commercials make it sound like the future of HD is with HD DVD. Toshiba is burning and it won't stop until BD wins. One other thing about these low prices for Christmas HD DVD players... I'll bet a ton of these get returned by people who actually know whats up in the format war and then by the people who will find out very quickly whats actually going on here. No support. Dwindling support. Inferior technology, it goes on and on. Blu-ray is not simply a matter of choice or preference over another HD format, this IS the format!

HABSRULE · 10-30-2007, 05:22 AM

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SlySoft was recently honoured by AACS-LA, being declared as public enemy number one in the ongoing battle for copyright protection.

To prove them right and to take on the challenge, SlySoft has just released the latest AnyDVD version which beats the latest 4th generation HD-DVD and BluRay copy protection MKBv4, which was expected to be unbreakable.

All that AACS-LA has to offer now is BD+, but even that is on the verge of being circumvented and a release is expected by the end of this year.
James Wong, Head of development at SlySoft: "We already found a way to crack BD+ and we have just turned to fine-tuning. I should really think about hiring a bodyguard now, since this product won't please everybody."

Here is the link to the article

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This tidbit was interesting to read also.

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However, I wonder when people will understand that more restrictions, pressure and protections that prevent things from working won't generate more but less revenue. Microsoft's revenue in the 90ies prove us right and even Apple recently released a DRM-free iTunes version."

kknight · 10-30-2007, 05:30 AM

I am actually curious how stable BD+ is... would hate to see it get cracked cuz I do hate PIRACY and those cheap-ass people who supports it... I don't mind if people pirate a few movies here and there but I really hate people who have 100% of their collection nothing but pirate stuff and they go on bragging about it like they actually bought it. I rather people see my collection with the original packaging then a bunch of plain copied DVDs... plus they also work 100% unlike copied DVDs

snake · 10-30-2007, 05:56 AM

I agree with all too. The problem for toshi selling the crap so low, is that, in effect, uneducated people will buy it, but that don't means that these people actually buy a HD-DVD movie for $40. This people wants bargains, and they'll find real bargains on the dvd section, not the hi-def. Blu-ray wisely is not falling on that aggresive & desperate-price-slash-thon.

Now, i remember that in the early 80's were another war between video formats. RCA's CED and Laserdisc. The CED was the "cheap" option, very oriented to the "average people" that don't wanted to spend a lot for the movies. Of course that will cost, because the CED discs gradually degenerate because the CED player used a needle to play the disc. On the other side were the venerable Lserdisc, cutting edge technology, great image and great sound. Of course were very expensive. Who lost the war??? CED, and what RCA did as a desperate method to survive????----exactly what Toshiba is doing right now, slashing hyper aggresively their players. I visited many times the USA on that time and i found players at $79 dollars from a $200 list price.

Few months after RCA announced the closure of the mfg plants for CED players, descontinued all, and few years ago debuted the first RCA laserdisc player.

Now, i see exactly the same. A desperate move from Toshi that only can be the eventual end of the HD-DVD format.

TauRus · 10-30-2007, 06:07 AM

Truth of the matter is that this "promotion" is no longer about market penetration. No, this is a poorly disguised firelsale and stock liquidation. Poor consumers who will bite that ...
Time for Toshiba to apply for BDA membership, add BD playback feature to their player thus turning them into uni players, and eventually phase out the HD-DVD feature from their product range altogether.

powersfoss · 10-30-2007, 06:09 AM

Quick! Grab your museum show piece "HD DVD" player before they're gone forever. How will you ever explain to your kids what it was if you don't?

gand41f · 10-30-2007, 06:10 AM

If people need a $169 player to be convinced to jump to high definition, I somehow doubt they are going to pay $20-30 (street) for discs....

enjoy
gandalf

Icemage · 10-30-2007, 06:13 AM

I wonder how the folks at Venturer feel about this. After all, they were planning on releasing their HD DVD player at $199, but this totally sabotages them.

TauRus · 10-30-2007, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Icemage

I wonder how the folks at Venturer feel about this. After all, they were planning on releasing their HD DVD player at $199, ...

or so we were led to believe ...

Petra_Kalbrain · 10-30-2007, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by powersfoss

Quick! Grab your museum show piece "HD DVD" player before they're gone forever. How will you ever explain to your kids what it was if you don't?

LOL... I've already got mine A2. Thankfully I didn't have to pay for it!

DetroitSportsFan · 10-30-2007, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by powersfoss

Quick! Grab your museum show piece "HD DVD" player before they're gone forever. How will you ever explain to your kids what it was if you don't?

I'm going to show it off next to my Atari Jaguar.

dbs2 · 10-30-2007, 09:19 AM

I'll believe it when i see it.... and when it is being used and cracking all title instantly.... I think Not

More FUD if you ask me

RobertB · 10-30-2007, 09:34 AM

From what I can see refered to here there is -NO- existing software that can extract the data from a BD+ disc yet. Someone claims to have been able to do it once, but it doesnt seem like they have a complete method down yet.

Personaly I hope it's not possible to break the BD+ or that it involves a process so timeconsuming and complicated that it's not worth it.

lokus · 10-30-2007, 09:50 AM

Well I'm sorry. There is no way I'm downloading 10gb+ of film to burn onto a disc. It doesn't make sense to burn HD-DVD / Blu-ray now. The discs and burners cost so much that you would be better of buying the movie. I just don't see how spending your time downloading over 10gb of data is worth anyone's time.

jw · 10-30-2007, 11:15 AM

WOW!!!only 2 posts to get banned

thrlride · 10-30-2007, 01:10 PM

Looks like it may have been cracked:

<Link removed>
I didn't read the actual article at highdefdigest because it is blocked at work.

xtop · 10-30-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lokus

Well I'm sorry. There is no way I'm downloading 10gb+ of film to burn onto a disc. It doesn't make sense to burn HD-DVD / Blu-ray now. The discs and burners cost so much that you would be better of buying the movie. I just don't see how spending your time downloading over 10gb of data is worth anyone's time.

that's not the point really. you can download a title over night, that doesn't really waste your time at all because it happens without you lol. and as prices drop this will become more and more of a big deal. might not be worth it to you right now, but its worth it to a lot of other people.

but to think bd+ wouldn't be cracked..that's just silly

dbs2 · 10-30-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by thrlride

Looks like it may have been cracked:

<Link removed>
I didn't read the actual article at highdefdigest because it is blocked at work.

No, It's more of a sort of hope to be.... Well wishfull thinking i Think !!

thrlride · 10-30-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dean1474

No, It's more of a sort of hope to be.... Well wishfull thinking i Think !!

Is that what the actual article said? The blog post sure read that it had been hacked.

Blue · 10-30-2007, 01:49 PM

With enough time and money anything can be cracked. Please stop trying to promote the product by posting links to the report that seem to be duplicates of the same article. Can we have a little calm here until it is actually cracked and what the consequences that flow from that are known. I would imagine a certain company may find themselves in very hot water as I don't think they will be able to use the backup defence in this case.

10-30-2007, 05:30 AM	#163
kknight Senior Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Minnesota Blu-ray reviews:55	I am actually curious how stable BD+ is... would hate to see it get cracked cuz I do hate PIRACY and those cheap-ass people who supports it... I don't mind if people pirate a few movies here and there but I really hate people who have 100% of their collection nothing but pirate stuff and they go on bragging about it like they actually bought it. I rather people see my collection with the original packaging then a bunch of plain copied DVDs... plus they also work 100% unlike copied DVDs Last edited by kknight; 10-30-2007 at 05:32 AM.

10-30-2007, 06:07 AM	#165
TauRus Active Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Chicago NW burbs	Truth of the matter is that this "promotion" is no longer about market penetration. No, this is a poorly disguised firelsale and stock liquidation. Poor consumers who will bite that ... Time for Toshiba to apply for BDA membership, add BD playback feature to their player thus turning them into uni players, and eventually phase out the HD-DVD feature from their product range altogether. Last edited by TauRus; 10-30-2007 at 06:14 AM.

10-30-2007, 01:10 PM	#176
thrlride Banned Member since:Oct 2007	Looks like it may have been cracked: <Link removed> I didn't read the actual article at highdefdigest because it is blocked at work. Last edited by Blue; 10-30-2007 at 01:33 PM. Reason: blocked advertising of so called 'application'

10-30-2007, 05:09 AM	#161
Marcusarilius Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Seattle, WA. Blu-ray reviews:52 Trading Score:1	I agree with all of the above! Those HD DVD commercials make it sound like the future of HD is with HD DVD. Toshiba is burning and it won't stop until BD wins. One other thing about these low prices for Christmas HD DVD players... I'll bet a ton of these get returned by people who actually know whats up in the format war and then by the people who will find out very quickly whats actually going on here. No support. Dwindling support. Inferior technology, it goes on and on. Blu-ray is not simply a matter of choice or preference over another HD format, this IS the format!

10-30-2007, 05:56 AM	#164
snake Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Mexico	I agree with all too. The problem for toshi selling the crap so low, is that, in effect, uneducated people will buy it, but that don't means that these people actually buy a HD-DVD movie for $40. This people wants bargains, and they'll find real bargains on the dvd section, not the hi-def. Blu-ray wisely is not falling on that aggresive & desperate-price-slash-thon. Now, i remember that in the early 80's were another war between video formats. RCA's CED and Laserdisc. The CED was the "cheap" option, very oriented to the "average people" that don't wanted to spend a lot for the movies. Of course that will cost, because the CED discs gradually degenerate because the CED player used a needle to play the disc. On the other side were the venerable Lserdisc, cutting edge technology, great image and great sound. Of course were very expensive. Who lost the war??? CED, and what RCA did as a desperate method to survive????----exactly what Toshiba is doing right now, slashing hyper aggresively their players. I visited many times the USA on that time and i found players at $79 dollars from a $200 list price. Few months after RCA announced the closure of the mfg plants for CED players, descontinued all, and few years ago debuted the first RCA laserdisc player. Now, i see exactly the same. A desperate move from Toshi that only can be the eventual end of the HD-DVD format.

10-30-2007, 06:09 AM	#166
powersfoss Senior Member Member since:Feb 2007	Quick! Grab your museum show piece "HD DVD" player before they're gone forever. How will you ever explain to your kids what it was if you don't?

10-30-2007, 06:10 AM	#167
gand41f Special Member Member since:May 2007 Location:San Jose, California	If people need a $169 player to be convinced to jump to high definition, I somehow doubt they are going to pay $20-30 (street) for discs.... enjoy gandalf

10-30-2007, 06:13 AM	#168
Icemage Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007	I wonder how the folks at Venturer feel about this. After all, they were planning on releasing their HD DVD player at $199, but this totally sabotages them.

10-30-2007, 09:19 AM	#172
dbs2 Active Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Sunny Norfolk - uk	I'll believe it when i see it.... and when it is being used and cracking all title instantly.... I think Not More FUD if you ask me

10-30-2007, 09:34 AM	#173
RobertB Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Trondheim, Norway	From what I can see refered to here there is -NO- existing software that can extract the data from a BD+ disc yet. Someone claims to have been able to do it once, but it doesnt seem like they have a complete method down yet. Personaly I hope it's not possible to break the BD+ or that it involves a process so timeconsuming and complicated that it's not worth it.

10-30-2007, 09:50 AM	#174
lokus Senior Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Marlton, NJ Blu-ray collection:72	Well I'm sorry. There is no way I'm downloading 10gb+ of film to burn onto a disc. It doesn't make sense to burn HD-DVD / Blu-ray now. The discs and burners cost so much that you would be better of buying the movie. I just don't see how spending your time downloading over 10gb of data is worth anyone's time.

10-30-2007, 11:15 AM	#175
jw Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Apr 2007 Location:USA Trading Score:519	WOW!!!only 2 posts to get banned

10-30-2007, 01:49 PM	#180
Blue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jan 2005 Location:Melbourne Australia Blu-ray collection:206	With enough time and money anything can be cracked. Please stop trying to promote the product by posting links to the report that seem to be duplicates of the same article. Can we have a little calm here until it is actually cracked and what the consequences that flow from that are known. I would imagine a certain company may find themselves in very hot water as I don't think they will be able to use the backup defence in this case.

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