Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[radagast]

Originally Posted by JTK

And yet I see 71:29 in the weekly Nielsens in favor of Blu even with these cheap A2's out there.

I wonder if some of those in the 71% were people trying to buy a Blu disc for their new A2.

[unreal1080p]

Originally Posted by cjzielie

Toshiba Announced Last Night That Last Weekend It Sold 94,000 Hddvd Players

Doesn't matter --> they're not going to sell any more players now that they're back at 199$

Check this out:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1030

[Rob71]

Originally Posted by unreal1080p

Doesn't matter --> they're not going to sell any more players now that they're back at 199$

Check this out:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1030

Exactly. A little dramatization:

Customer: Where can I get one of them $99 HD DVD players?
Sales Associate: That was a four hour sale.
C: Four hour!? WTF!? How much are they now?
SA: $199.
C: &@%$#*$
SA: Can I get one for you?
C: No, I'll just wait for the next sale.

[Canada]

I was reading something on Home Theater Magazines website that Sony's CEO said the format war is in a stalemate. I belive it is, but how could this be?




Blu Ray HD DVD Winner

50 gigs max for now 30 gigs max for now Blu Ray
More exlusive studio support Blu Ray
More top selling movies Blu Ray
better audio support Blu Ray

HD DVD feals like a younger sibling clinging to you not letting you do the things you want to do and it's getting to me big time. Any one have any reason why HD DVD's even still in this game.


Reason 1 ignorant consumers

[ak808]

my guess is that HD DVD is basically cheaper then bluray. Gotta figure that most people out there are still content with there basic DVD as well. With walmart selling those $100 HD players doesn't help either. The way I see it was that most blurays were selling because most people had ps3 at home. Now the same effect may or may not happen to HD with those $100 players. Don't know the exact numbers but that would be my guess.

[doctorD]

Originally Posted by Canada

I was reading something on Home Theater Magazines website that Sony's CEO said the format war is in a stalemate. I belive it is, but how could this be?




Blu Ray HD DVD Winner

50 gigs max for now 30 gigs max for now Blu Ray
More exlusive studio support Blu Ray
More top selling movies Blu Ray
better audio support Blu Ray

HD DVD feals like a younger sibling clinging to you not letting you do the things you want to do and it's getting to me big time. Any one have any reason why HD DVD's even still in this game.


Reason 1 ignorant consumers

First of all, Sony CEO was misquoted and really said that with the Paramount/DW deal, we are kind of in a stalemate at the moment. A thread has been posted here already with the actual transcript from the interview:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...highlight=bits

[Rike255]

Remember, you can't believe everything you read on the internet...especially if it's coming from Toshiba! I kid I kid...but not really.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

There are far too many idiots in this world. Simple question... simple answer.

[Rike255]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

There are far too many idiots in this North America. Simple question... simple answer.

Fixed that for ya.
Sorry couldn't resist.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Rike255

Fixed that for ya.
Sorry couldn't resist.

Touche!

[Canada]

From what I have read almost every other place in the world other than in North America you would be hard pressed to know there is a war going on. Blu Ray is absolutly blowing the competition away in Japan.

[kknight]

Blu-ray would of won this year if it weren't for the greedy bastards at Paramount accepting the $150 million deal from HD-DUD group.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by Canada

I was reading something on Home Theater Magazines website that Sony's CEO said the format war is in a stalemate.

Canada where have you been? We've been running threads about this ^^ for months

Blu-Rome wasn't built in one day

[Beta-guy]

Originally Posted by kknight

Blu-ray would of won this year if it weren't for the greedy bastards at Paramount accepting the $150 million deal from HD-DUD group.

I don't want ot think of it as greed, greed means wants to get more, while they were short sighted, in grabbing the $150 million, they are now supporting a format that can only hope to equal BD by having a sale, while BD doesn't need sales to beat HD-DVD... HD-DVD is losing in just about ever respect but hasn't lost the war yet... I'm starting to expect various HD-DVD only studio's to move over soon, because they are greedy, wanting more...

BTW I'm greedy that's why I bought a BD player

[Blu-Generation]

Originally Posted by kknight

Blu-ray would of won this year if it weren't for the greedy bastards at Paramount accepting the $150 million deal from HD-DUD group.

Transformers production budget was also $150 million. Coincidence?

[quetzalcoatl]

Originally Posted by Beta-guy

I don't want ot think of it as greed, greed means wants to get more, while they were short sighted, in grabbing the $150 million, they are now supporting a format that can only hope to equal BD by having a sale, while BD doesn't need sales to beat HD-DVD... HD-DVD is losing in just about ever respect but hasn't lost the war yet... I'm starting to expect various HD-DVD only studio's to move over soon, because they are greedy, wanting more...

BTW I'm greedy that's why I bought a BD player

Please explain how they were short sighted? Since at a adverage retail price of $30 they would have to sell 5 million movies to equal that money. And if you figure a 100% retail markup they would need to sell 10 million movies. When you look at the numbers over 18 months that adverages out to 550K+ titles per month.
It was bad to us but good for them. They take a short term hit but in 18 months when the dust settles they can then make Blus and have really suffered no harm. Since I am sure one of the first things they will do is release every title that was exclusive on Blu. And if they do that will you buy them? Most will say yes so what have they really lost.
18 months of sales at a level that is not even a blip on the screen for 150 mil. Sorry but from a business standpoint they had to take it. And it really does not have a down side since we are talking about numbers of 100K in week one being good.

[Beta-guy]

Originally Posted by quetzalcoatl

Please explain how they were short sighted? Since at a adverage retail price of $30 they would have to sell 5 million movies to equal that money. And if you figure a 100% retail markup they would need to sell 10 million movies. When you look at the numbers over 18 months that adverages out to 550K+ titles per month.
It was bad to us but good for them. They take a short term hit but in 18 months when the dust settles they can then make Blus and have really suffered no harm. Since I am sure one of the first things they will do is release every title that was exclusive on Blu. And if they do that will you buy them? Most will say yes so what have they really lost.
18 months of sales at a level that is not even a blip on the screen for 150 mil. Sorry but from a business standpoint they had to take it. And it really does not have a down side since we are talking about numbers of 100K in week one being good.

If they haven't taken that money this format war would be all but over with a sales ratio of 80:20 people would be more willing to buy into the format war, and by march - june next year the war would have been over. faster adoption of Blu-ray would occur and but as it is, the format war just slowed for a bit, BD is now back to where it was b4 Paramount left BD.

[kknight]

Originally Posted by Beta-guy

I don't want ot think of it as greed, greed means wants to get more, while they were short sighted, in grabbing the $150 million, they are now supporting a format that can only hope to equal BD by having a sale, while BD doesn't need sales to beat HD-DVD...

I came with one conclusion about this, Paramount is in a win-win situation. If HD-DVD loses, they get the $150 million plus ex-HD DVD owners will need to buy their movies AGAIN on Blu-ray therefore making twice the money... If HD-DVD wins (for some miracle) Paramount gets $150 and the actual sales they should be getting for Hi-def movies. So in a ways, they do want more don't you think?

They had no legit reason to go over HD-DVD when Blu-ray was killing HD-DVD... They took the money and gave a big F-U to us Blu-ray supporters.

BTW: I'll be purchasing a Blu-ray player shortly so I can get the full support of lossless audio and a quieter player then my PS3. not sure if that would fit in as greed?

[Beta-guy]

Originally Posted by kknight

I came with one conclusion about this, Paramount is in a win-win situation. If HD-DVD loses, they get the $150 million plus ex-HD DVD owners will need to buy their movies AGAIN on Blu-ray therefore making twice the money... If HD-DVD wins (for some miracle) Paramount gets $150 and the actual sales they should be getting for Hi-def movies. So in a ways, they do want more don't you think?

They had no legit reason to go over HD-DVD when Blu-ray was killing HD-DVD... They took the money and gave a big F-U to us Blu-ray supporters.

BTW: I'll be purchasing a Blu-ray player shortly so I can get the full support of lossless audio and a quieter player then my PS3. not sure if that would fit in as greed?

good point, it could be an extra $150 million but 18 months can be a long time when Blu-ray is dominant the other studio's and bailing ship and moving to blu the customer buy BD more and more, would Blu-ray make them $150 million in those 18 months if they stayed, probably not, but I still don't think it was worth it. I do agree with you there was no legit reason to move to HD-DVD, this format war is hurting everyone I think.

[Mericalis]

The answer is simple as it has already been stated and I will quote my Law Professors from college:

"THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS STUPID & IGNORANT"

Sorry, if that offends any general public folks out there, but if you think about the sentence, it is true. Joe Blow goes to Wally World to pick up his video fix for the night/weekend to view on his new 720p Visio television. He doesn't look on any of the software boxes to see if it's in 1080p/1080i/720p or whatever the studio is releasing the title. Most of the people around Eastern Texas have furrowed brows and are dating their first cousin twice removed, so what intelligence do you think these people have? (Drastic, maybe, but you don't live near my neck of the woods.)

Anyway, I've talked to my friends who either like HD DVD or don't care about either side and they look at it like this: "Whatever I can get the cheapest way that looks decent on my screen will work for me!" Oh, and from my friends that don't want to spend money on HiDef period, they say, "Is it that much difference between upconverting and HiDef media?" I usually tell them yes and invite them over...they say that it's nice, but they will stick with SD until the price comes down on whichever one wins out.

So, to answer your question, it's the general public making bad decisions.


----Sorry, I guess it's getting late and I should keep my rants to myself.