Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[JTK]

More FUD.

The answer is: No.

Keep an eye on sources like the Neilsens.

[The Big Blue]

NPD declined to report specific unit sales shares for each of the retailers but noted that Best Buy is far in front. Amazon.com and the rest are mostly clustered together for the second through fifth spots.

Please stop putting so much emphasis on Amazon. We've known for quite a while now that they don't amount to squat.

[mdm1699]

Originally Posted by Grif32

So I guess the PS3 with 10 free in store movies and 5 free rebate for a total of 15 free moives is not a desperate move I not saying it is but cmon now.

The PS3 sale is not "desperate". The sale is on a high-end item, that is not underpriced. If you subtract the costs of the software you will still end up with a positive number. Don't be confused.

Originally Posted by Grif32

Who cares they are having a sale. BR does it all the time. HD DVD will probably never catch up anyway.

+1 on this.

[Bolaar]

This is where things will get interesting...

I wonder if HD-DVD will actually win a week and suddenly claim victory.

Guess we wait and see and then have to deal with all the insanity.

[Go Blu]

Originally Posted by Bolaar

This is where things will get interesting...

I wonder if HD-DVD will actually win a week and suddenly claim victory.

Guess we wait and see and then have to deal with all the insanity.

hehe

actually if they are ahead "during" the week they will scream victory from the rooftops before the real numbers come out on Friday.

That's why they announced Transformers on a Monday cuz they knew very well the BOGO would steal their thunder.

[CptGreedle]

Originally Posted by The Big Blue

NPD declined to report specific unit sales shares for each of the retailers but noted that Best Buy is far in front. Amazon.com and the rest are mostly clustered together for the second through fifth spots.

Please stop putting so much emphasis on Amazon. We've known for quite a while now that they don't amount to squat.

Not FUD... this is a reliable website that is unbiased and I use it all the time to show off BD numbers. It is just right now the numbers have changed and I didn't know why. Now I do and it is still a good sign.

The only reason I used this as a tool, is because it is the only tool i know of that has up-to-the-hour results and gives me a day-to-day stat of the current sales of BD and HD-DVD. I know that Amazon is only one small piece in a much bigger puzzle, which is why I use Neilson. But Neilson is always a week behind and only out once a week. This at least gives me an idea of what is going on.
Is this HD-DVD sale only on Amazon?


Hey.. if you are going to merge these put a note somewhere please. That confuzzled me.

[bdLuvr]

Originally Posted by E-Dogg

I am not worried in the slightest. Look at all of our exclusives coming from today til the end of the year. They can't even compete.

totally agree
I couldnt care less about whats going on over at that end :P
all I care about is that I can pop in my fave movies (my faves as in whats out in BD).

[patrick99]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

Not FUD... this is a reliable website that is unbiased and I use it all the time to show off BD numbers. It is just right now the numbers have changed and I didn't know why. Now I do and it is still a good sign.

The only reason I used this as a tool, is because it is the only tool i know of that has up-to-the-hour results and gives me a day-to-day stat of the current sales of BD and HD-DVD. I know that Amazon is only one small piece in a much bigger puzzle, which is why I use Neilson. But Neilson is always a week behind and only out once a week. This at least gives me an idea of what is going on.
Is this HD-DVD sale only on Amazon?


Hey.. if you are going to merge these put a note somewhere please. That confuzzled me.

I agree that Amazon provides useful day to day information not available elsewhere. I believe it has been noted that HD DVD has more strength in Amazon sales than in the larger universe as measured by the Nielsen ratios.

[Grif32]

Originally Posted by mdm1699

The PS3 sale is not "desperate". The sale is on a high-end item, that is not underpriced. If you subtract the costs of the software you will still end up with a positive number. Don't be confused.



+1 on this.

The PS3 is not underpriced? Ithink it is for what you get. I thought sony was losing money on the PS3 anway? Throw in 15 free movies @ avg $25 thats $375.00.

Who in the hell is losing money then? Thats insane.

My point is both are giving away alot of free movies.

I already have a PS3 but the free 10 movies plus 5 free mail in is to good to pass up so I guess I will be picking up another one for the bedroom.

These deals are killing my wallet.

[atomik kinder]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

Not FUD... this is a reliable website that is unbiased and I use it all the time to show off BD numbers. It is just right now the numbers have changed and I didn't know why. Now I do and it is still a good sign.

The only reason I used this as a tool, is because it is the only tool i know of that has up-to-the-hour results and gives me a day-to-day stat of the current sales of BD and HD-DVD. I know that Amazon is only one small piece in a much bigger puzzle, which is why I use Neilson. But Neilson is always a week behind and only out once a week. This at least gives me an idea of what is going on.
Is this HD-DVD sale only on Amazon?


Hey.. if you are going to merge these put a note somewhere please. That confuzzled me.

He never said it was FUD, he was just pointing out that Amazon sales don't make much of a difference because it isn't the top seller of Hi Def Media. Best Buy sells much more, so watching Amazon, you can't really tell what is going on. Just because Amazon has an HD DVD sale, doesn't mean they will even be close to winning.

[smurfy]

Since downloads that match the quality of BD are decades away, and there's really no reason to switch to whatever comes next (we have 100GB quad layer discs that work in already released players if we need them), I think we could have Blu-Ray with us for at least twenty years if not more. There are HVDs and PCDs being developed that would allow 50 terabytes of storage on a single layer, but I think Blu-Ray will be the last popular physical media, before downloads replace it decades from now.

It's a Blu future.

[unreal1080p]

Originally Posted by smurfy

Since downloads that match the quality of BD are decades away, and there's really no reason to switch to whatever comes next (we have 100GB quad layer discs that work in already released players if we need them), I think we could have Blu-Ray with us for at least twenty years if not more. There are HVDs and PCDs being developed that would allow 50 terabytes of storage on a single layer, but I think Blu-Ray will be the last popular physical media, before downloads replace it decades from now.

It's a Blu future.

NO. Blu-Ray will have at least DOUBLE the VHS life span as there are to be no new broadcasts standards in North America until 2040-2050 and Blu-Ray would still stick around 15+ years after those broadcasts standards are in place. You're probably looking at about 65 years IMHO (2070).

[hardcore_canadian]

Hahahahaha, Right.....65 Years My Ass. Even if it lasted a While, I'll give a 15-20 Year Maximum.

[ikbradley]

5 years remaining dominant and 10 years until bargain bin. The 3.9 tb holo. discs and ultra-fast downloads will take hold during this time.

Might be sooner, depending on how quickly BD+ is cracked.

[Dragonraine]

Originally Posted by unreal1080p

NO. Blu-Ray will have at least DOUBLE the VHS life span as there are to be no new broadcasts standards in North America until 2040-2050 and Blu-Ray would still stick around 15+ years after those broadcasts standards are in place. You're probably looking at about 65 years IMHO (2070).

You always post the funniest stuff. I swear you cant possibly believe what you say, it has to be jokes.

[tron3]

Optical is the next logical progression - probably 3" disc at that. But they have to perfect the technology. Still, no one is planning on pissing on the consumer AGAIN with a newer technology when DVD is still in the picture.

Then again, memory stick devices could be next. You don't need semiconductors to make read-only memory devices.

[Dragonraine]

I think we will see something new in the next 6-7 years or so.

[hc666]

Even if it had a VHS life span... that is still pretty good... early 80's(maybe earlier?!?!) until early 2000's was pretty damn good.

I never rented my first DVD until 2001 I remember.

[Chazcov08]

Originally Posted by smurfy

Since downloads that match the quality of BD are decades away,
It's a Blu future.

Sorry, but this is here today. Have you ever seen a movie ripped from a BD and re-encoded as an H.264 MKV file? Indistinguishable from the original, and less than 9GB.

People trade these online like mp3s.

I'm not promoting this, I'm just letting you know that "decades away" is yesterday. I'm happy to watch BD movies on my PS3, but the future is now.

If they had some sort of pay-per-download of these high-def movies, someone would make a killing.

[cartier]

It is difficult to say. However, even with advances and increasing storage capacity and faster download speeds it is not a guarantee that we will see changes within 10 years. Not only will TVs have to do better than 1080p but as mentioned earlier transmitted content would also have to improve. The cost associated with doing this is substantial and would take an act of government. Even the current law does not regulate HD transmissions only digital transmission requirements by February 2009. The balance between cost, convenience, quality and need/want must exist for there to be adoption of something new, for most consumers anyway.