4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by octagon

Well, you never know. More people might get more excited about UHD-BD once it actually exists.

I'm giddy as hell for it, I just hope there are no unexpected hiccups with it.

IFA couldn't come quick enough, however I still think IFA is leaving things too late, anyway, I wonder when the players and software will be on general sale? I can see this Christmas being very last minute.

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by bluearth

My old TV was 7 years old. It was time to upgrade, especially for 3D and a size boost from 46". I got 4K to be futureproof and because I was impressed by the demos. I knew there was not alot of content out there, but I didnt expect to care. After seeing it at home and in person and just being able to absorb it, Im addicted now and want all my content in 4K. I did not expect that at all.

Its incredibly frustrating that 99% of satellite broadcasts are still 720p/1080i. Its a joke.

All my family came over and checked out the TV - every single one of them had their jaws hit the floor - and these are hardcore 'DVD dont need bluray' people too.

See thats whats really sad - that theres this great technology out there that many people would really like or be interested in if mediocrity (streaming etc) wasnt so accepted and pushed on them

My sister asked if she could watch the NBA in 4K....what was I suppose to tell her? That the games still arent even 1080p? Thats pathetic beyond belief. Theres not a SINGLE person on this planet who can watch something in 4K and then 720p and say they dont care for one or the other. Yet 720p is the only option available on satellite because the masses have accepted it and dont demand more. And the satellite companies are plenty happy giving them a lower quality signal. What utter trash



Not sure what quality of projector your looking for, but they're down in the 4 thousand range now, at least lower end models. Maybe this time next year mid range models will be in that price range. Sucks that projectors always lag behind TVs in prices. I remember it taking FOREVER for 1080p projectors to be reasonably priced long after normal sets did.

The truth is they will not make something that will not sell . Blu ray was better then dvd and 4k will be better then blu ray. The only problem is when HDTV first came out they said buy a FULL 1080P HD TV making the customer think thats the limit for tv in terms of PQ.

[Geoff D]

I may have missed it, but what size & brand of TV do you have bluearth? Not all are created equal...

As said above, get that thing calibrated ASAP (not just with a disc, but a proper spectro/colorimeter calibration) because 4K stuff may look stellar but the factory settings will do no favours for lesser content. And get a better looking Blu-ray than a heavily stylised, bitrate deficient disc like Speed Racer. Something like Luc Besson's Lucy is one of the finest looking pieces of 1080p video I've ever had the the pleasure of witnessing, and it looks absolutely scintillating on my calibrated Sony 55X9005B, fed with a Panasonic 310 player into a DVDO iScan mini 4K upscaler.

[bailey1987]

I have just found this whilst reading Wikipedia:

http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendat...aspx?rec=12455
http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/aap/AAPRecD...?AAPSeqNo=3222
https://www.itu.int/dms_pubaap/01/T0101000F56.htm

Apparently profile 3 of HEVC was standardised back on April 29th 2015, I knew I had read that it was completed but not that it had actually been standardised by the ITU.

We already know that 3D wont be in the Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc specification at launch, but with any luck it may not be too long before it is implemented and if were really lucky it could be there from launch.

I haven't read all the information on the ITU site yet, does anyone know if this is 3D at 2160p or just regular 1080p?

[sonicyogurt]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

The only problem is when HDTV first came out they said buy a FULL 1080P HD TV

I want to say it was as late as 2005 when the first 1080p displays started hitting the market, and even then, they were the exception rather than the rule. 1080p definitely wasn't a thing commercially when HDTV first launched in the U.S.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

I have just found this whilst reading Wikipedia:

http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendat...aspx?rec=12455
http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/aap/AAPRecD...?AAPSeqNo=3222
https://www.itu.int/dms_pubaap/01/T0101000F56.htm

Apparently profile 3 of HEVC was standardised back on April 29th 2015, I knew I had read that it was completed but not that it had actually been standardised by the ITU.

We already know that 3D wont be in the Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc specification at launch, but with any luck it may not be too long before it is implemented and if were really lucky it could be there from launch.

I haven't read all the information on the ITU site yet, does anyone know if this is 3D at 2160p or just regular 1080p?

Ron Martin says: don't get your hopes up.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by bluearth

I had 9 fun years with 1080p bluray. Heres to the next 9 with 4K bluray

Get prepared to be disappointed. First, there is not much content in 4K/UHD resolution. Many projects that were shot in 4K are finished (DI's) in 2K. The sum total of content with a 4K DI is not very much.

I have the Sony VW600 projector (true 4K, 2160 x 4096) and FMP-X10 media player. The screen is a 133" scope. There is very little difference between Blu-ray and the UHD movies available via SEN. Some of the shorts can look spectacular but for the most part there is little reason to purchase content from SEN.

[bruceames]

I agree with Wendell, there is not much difference between 4K and 1080p, at least compared with 480p vs. 1080p. Unless there is a big difference between 4K SEN content and UHD BD, I think a lot of people will be disappointed. Another thing as mentioned, is that most content even today is mastered in 2K, and on top of that, all animation, as well as CGI in action movies are in 2K. So even though those action movies will be mastered in 4K, most of the best stuff in it will only be in 2K anyway.

Really the only time I notice an appreciable difference is when a scene has an enormous amount of detail (crowds of people, city skylines, etc).

Although the difference isn't much between Blu-ray and 4K SEN content, it is fairly significant on Netflix content. But I believe that has to do with the laws of diminishing returns not having caught up with it as much and there is more to improve.

[Geoff D]

Indeed. Let's hope that the superior specs of UHD BD vs streamed content makes a difference, though it may yet prove that HDR will be the biggest objective improvement, so all us guys with SDR 4K equipment will be SOOL unless we upgrade everything again. That's why I'm so ambivalent about what UHD BD can do for me right now, especially because my TV sings so sweetly with regular Blu-ray anyway.

Some might say that "it's not about what UHD BD can do for you, but what you can do for UHD BD", but my TV purchase has already been one hard luck story and I'm not about to support another for the sake of it, I simply can't afford it.

[Dylan34]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Indeed. Let's hope that the superior specs of UHD BD vs streamed content makes a difference, though it may yet prove that HDR will be the biggest objective improvement, so all us guys with SDR 4K equipment will be SOOL unless we upgrade everything again. That's why I'm so ambivalent about what UHD BD can do for me right now, especially because my TV sings so sweetly with regular Blu-ray anyway.

Some might say that "it's not about what UHD BD can do for you, but what you can do for UHD BD", but my TV purchase has already been one hard luck story and I'm not about to support another for the sake of it, I simply can't afford it.

Yeah, I don't have HDR on my Sony XBR 55X850C but I just wanted to get my foot in the 4K door, so to speak, and enjoy the stuff that's out now. My TV does upscale my blus beautifully and actual 4K content looks pretty great, even on a small 55 inch. I can tell a difference between 1080p and 2160p at the 5 to 6 feet away that I view from. I'm hoping that UHD blu-ray though makes a substantial difference. Maybe in 2 years every spec will be in place and I'll be able to get a display that's fully loaded without having to give away my first born! LOL

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I may have missed it, but what size & brand of TV do you have bluearth? Not all are created equal...

As said above, get that thing calibrated ASAP (not just with a disc, but a proper spectro/colorimeter calibration) because 4K stuff may look stellar but the factory settings will do no favours for lesser content. And get a better looking Blu-ray than a heavily stylised, bitrate deficient disc like Speed Racer. Something like Luc Besson's Lucy is one of the finest looking pieces of 1080p video I've ever had the the pleasure of witnessing, and it looks absolutely scintillating on my calibrated Sony 55X9005B, fed with a Panasonic 310 player into a DVDO iScan mini 4K upscaler.

I've compared clips from Lucy from the Blu-ray and a true 4K file on a 4K projector projecting onto a 120" screen all fully calibrated. The difference between the two was fleeting at best. Like all the other 4K comparisons I've done, you have to pause and search out for the resolution differences, especially from the seated position. Mostly it is fine detail in backgrounds. Resolution at consumer TV sizes has never been an issue with Blu-ray, mastering quality and limitations of the production are typically the only issues you see.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Another thing as mentioned, is that most content even today is mastered in 2K...

Along those lines of not *thinking ahead* or future-proofing assets for future delivery, but this time with regards to dynamic range (HDR) rather than spatial resolution (the past mistaken choices made with 2K DI finishing rather than opting for a 4K finish)…..

ADVICE - in order to get the full potential out of HDR, even if at the current time the studio or filmmaker doesn’t plan on an HDR version from the get-go, cinematographers should strive to shoot a ‘thick negative’ (a wide range negative) shoot in RAW and from there go thru a high quality workflow (i.e. openEXR with 16bit float) and as a finishing format rather than being diluted to a lesser quality file format (to save on costs). That way the footage can be re-purposed for the best HDR months/years from now when the HDR iteration is decided to be released.

Point being, in order to get the very best out of what HDR can offer, it’s more than just choosing one of the premiere wide gamut, wide dynamic range cameras (Sony, etc.) with a 16-bit recording format for a motion picture…..cinematographers need to shoot thick negatives and filmmakers (post house supervisors) need to preserve that dynamic range through the whole pipeline.

[dvdwatcher]

So to be clear without reading 300 pages, current 4k televisions are only displaying 4k upscale when you view them at the store not true 4k?


So If I get a 4k tv and say a Sony 4k upscale bluray player that's not true 4k?

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by dvdwatcher

So to be clear without reading 300 pages, current 4k televisions are only displaying 4k upscale when you view them at the store not true 4k?


So If I get a 4k tv and say a Sony 4k upscale bluray player that's not true 4k?

It really depends on the video master being used. Some are true 4k and some are upconverts from 2k Digital Intermediates.

Many Hollywood movies, for instance, are still finished at 2k rather than 4k due to costs. Though, many archived catalog titles originating on film are being scanned and stored at 4k for future use.

However, you will get the benefit of 10 bit depth and more color information... as well as possible High Dynamic Range content.

There's more to it than pixel count.

Upconverted 1080p discs from a Blu-ray player or via a "4k" TV with a video processor/scaler are not true 4k. You cannot create detail that was never there in the first place.

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by dvdwatcher

So to be clear without reading 300 pages, current 4k televisions are only displaying 4k upscale when you view them at the store not true 4k?


So If I get a 4k tv and say a Sony 4k upscale bluray player that's not true 4k?

Best thing to do is wait until Ultra High Def BD launches.

[dvdwatcher]

So I'm currently in. The hunt for a new region free player so I may as well get one that will upscale 4k right? Then down the road when I can afford it upgrade the TV to 4K.

But your saying that's differant than UHD bluray

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by dvdwatcher

So I'm currently in. The hunt for a new region free player so Iay as well get one that will upscale 4k right? Then down the road when I can afford it upgrade the TV to 4K

You could, if you're in the market for a new player, but without a UHD television you'll get no benefits from the upscaler mode.

2015 and 2016 UHD TV's will start to include the necessary HDMI chips and features for UHD Blu-ray discs/players (10 bit panels, fully compliant HDR support, DCI-P3 color compatibility, etc.), so do hold off for a little while on the display as the prices will start to come down.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by dvdwatcher

But your saying that's different than UHD bluray

Correct. UHD Blu-ray is a new format coming later this year. New player, new discs.

They will play 1080p Blu-ray and DVD's too. There will probably be more studio support on the new format for DTS: X and Dolby Atmos immersive audio too.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Indeed. Let's hope that the superior specs of UHD BD vs streamed content makes a difference, though it may yet prove that HDR will be the biggest objective improvement, so all us guys with SDR 4K equipment will be SOOL unless we upgrade everything again.

It will be interesting to see what the video projector folks do in regards to HDR.

The other night we were watching an episode of Game of Thrones S3 and there was a night time scene that included a camp fire. Most of the scene was fairly dark but quite visible. The flickering of the camp fire almost got on my nerves because it was so bright (but not cliped out).

[dvdwatcher]

So If I pick up a player now will it play uhd bluray just not full 4k?