HDR Discussion Thread

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

The issue with Billy was the film not the tech.

Me personal opinion on this film: I think it is underestimated.
It deserves nothing below four stars, three and half strict minimum.
I scored it four and half stars, me me me.

That's me.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

g-man -
https://theplaylist.net/paramount-an...-fps-20190312/

Way ahead of you p-man

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Not so much HDR but HFR related, I see that a test HFR DCP for Ang Lee's Gemini Man has been sent to theatres. Let's hope more cinemas and their servers can handle it than the Billy Lynn's test DCP!

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Originally Posted by Agent Kay

The issue with Billy was the film not the tech.

Apart from too many cinemas having choked on the test 3D60 DCP which is why that HFR rollout for Billy Lynn's was summarily cancelled. Hence this latest round of test packages being sent out to see if anything's changed.

[Gillietalls]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Last week at the clubhouse, the MITC had a bunch of reference monitors, including the HX310 set up for attendees to evaluate and compare…..



some eagle eyes think the HX310 appears a tad warmer than the previous gold standard, the BVM-X300, which is not necessarily a bad thing

Which monitor was voted best in this quasi shootout?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Gillietalls

Which monitor was voted best in this quasi shootout?

Gillie, I haven’t seen you around in a long time, welcome back.

No voting, it wasn’t a shootout per se, more like a show and see, with reps available to tell and help with set-up, similar to this concluding statement about this evaluation, but with respect to different cameras - "The technical committee is not making any judgments on the results, we are leaving it up to the individual filmmakers to choose the camera they feel does the best job” ( https://ascmag.com/articles/measurin...exhibition-use ), the 6K+ camera evaluation tests having been screened at an expo this week with no voting as to which was best.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Way ahead of you p-man

That already happened with a gram posting by Glen Powell, with music no less….https://www.instagram.com/p/BucGIK9FQSk/ , last month at the southern film location for Top Gun: Maverick here, turning in –



for I had wanted to post my gifted USS Theodore Roosevelt cap first! Oh well, I still have a uniquely accessorized pic waiting in the wings for the appropriate date forthcoming - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post16169376

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Way ahead of you p-man.

Has this news been reported on any other thread on the forum? - https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019...w-territories/

as it seems I've suddenly woken everyone else up on the other threads of this subforum....unless of course they're working stiffs like me and taking lunch today from noon to 12:30 P.M.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Has this news been reported on any other thread on the forum? - https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019...w-territories/

as it seems I've suddenly woken everyone else up on the other threads of this subforum....unless of course they're working stiffs like me and taking lunch today from noon to 12:30 P.M.

They need to fix their front end

[Gillietalls]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Gillie, I haven’t seen you around in a long time, welcome back.

No voting, it wasn’t a shootout per se, more like a show and see, with reps available to tell and help with set-up, similar to this concluding statement about this evaluation, but with respect to different cameras - "The technical committee is not making any judgments on the results, we are leaving it up to the individual filmmakers to choose the camera they feel does the best job” ( https://ascmag.com/articles/measurin...exhibition-use ), the 6K+ camera evaluation tests having been screened at an expo this week with no voting as to which was best.

Hello my friend. Thanks for the reply. Did you have a favorite? And with Sony switching to their HX310 for mastering, do you think their HDR movies will look better? Just wondering what switching monitors to master on will do theoretically.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Gillietalls

Hello my friend. Thanks for the reply. Did you have a favorite? And with Sony switching to their HX310 for mastering, do you think their HDR movies will look better? Just wondering what switching monitors to master on will do theoretically.

My personal fav is this.

I doubt Sony’s HDR feature movies will change. For those facilities who don’t use the Dolby Pulsar and move on to solely using the HX310 (as opposed to the BVM-X300) in the future for mastering their HDR content, or for that matter live broadcast material (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXFjCTrn6kw#t=22m24s ), I don’t know if consumers will notice a significant interval change over the course of time. One thing of interest is whether creatives will take advantage of the 310's ability to exceed 10% of the overall image at 1000 nits (as the X300 was so restricted by ABL) and how this would translate with some consumer TVs in viewing future content.

[Staying Salty]

https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/tech/...137703.article

The two-year old company’s new facility has four rooms, includes a new ‘hero’ suite for 4K Dolby Vision high dynamic range (HDR) mastering.

The 4K HDR room is built around DaVinci Resolve on an HP Z8 G4 workstation with Titan graphics cards and DeckLink 8K I/O card. The control surface is a DaVinci Resolve Advanced Panel and the reference monitor is an EIZO ColorEdge CG3145 for HDR monitoring.

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

They need to fix their front end

I agree. It's utterly ludicrous that Rakuten TV is shouting about 8K, when their streaming service in the UK is SD and HD, all in SDR, with bog-standard stereo sound (or mono in some cases). They haven't even arrived in the 1990's yet.

No 5.1, no 7.1, no Atmos, no DTS:X, no 4K, no HDR10, no Dolby Vision. Yet they are issuing press releases about 8K? They are mad and that article has actually made me really angry!

from the article: "Rakuten TV claims to have the largest catalogue of 4K Ultra HD content HDR with the support of the latest technologies such as Dolby Vision and the Dolby Atmos." - a claim which in my experience with their UK service is completely false. From where they are now, I'd be happy with HD and 5.1 sound, that would be a good start.

Everyone involved should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

My personal fav is this.

I doubt Sony’s HDR feature movies will change. For those facilities who don’t use the Dolby Pulsar and move on to solely using the HX310 (as opposed to the BVM-X300) in the future for mastering their HDR content, or for that matter live broadcast material (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXFjCTrn6kw#t=22m24s ), I don’t know if consumers will notice a significant interval change over the course of time. One thing of interest is whether creatives will take advantage of the 310's ability to exceed 10% of the overall image at 1000 nits (as the X300 was so restricted by ABL) and how this would translate with some consumer TVs in viewing future content.

Have Sony themselves been grading on Pulsar or on their own reference monitor? I aks because Sony's HDR grades have a tendency to push VERY bright, not just in terms of MaxCLL but MaxFALL as well (Starship Troopers' MaxFALL is almost 2500 nits!), I can't imagine that they were using the X300 an awful lot if it was so restrictive with brightness.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

.....I can't imagine that they were using the X300 an awful lot if it was so restrictive with brightness.

Correctomundo (I thought I had coyly worded the post to indicate the choice of monitor for such Dolby Vision content creation without stating it explicitly).

Your numbers don’t lie and given the BVM-X300 peaks at MaxCLL=1000 and ~ MaxFALL=180 (for those unfamiliar, MaxFall is the average of the decoded brightness values of all pixels within each frame), more titles - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=184653968

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Not so much HDR but HFR related, I see that a test HFR DCP for Ang Lee's Gemini Man has been sent to theatres. Let's hope more cinemas and their servers can handle it than the Billy Lynn's test DCP!

Don’t know where you posted that ^ , but if not included on that particular thread, here ya go for more detail - https://ql.mediasilo.com/#ql/5c630928e4b05d699980d7ad
^ includes test footage for the curious…..https://www.redsharknews.com/product...en-waiting-for

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

numbers

200,000 + views (https://forum.blu-ray.com/forumdisplay.php?f=206) for this thread in a tad over a month - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post16059461

tip of the hat (aside from Glen P. ) to all contributors and readers

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Don’t know where you posted that ^ , but if not included on that particular thread, here ya go for more detail - https://ql.mediasilo.com/#ql/5c630928e4b05d699980d7ad
^ includes test footage for the curious…..https://www.redsharknews.com/product...en-waiting-for

I posted it in this very same thread we are in at the moment, if you click the little arrow by my name in the quoted post you can travel back into the mists of time to all of three weeks ago. Thanks for those links though, I'm downloading the 120 DCP now though **** knows what I can play it on.

[edit]

Given the article's mention that Truemotion wasn't used on Billy Lynn's I'm a bit confused, as I read that's exactly what they did use in order to generate the 60 and 24 versions out of the 120fps original, i.e. that they didn't just chop out whatever frames that they needed but that those two versions are literally entire interpolations of the 120fps original. Or maybe I'm just getting my wires crossed in that the article mentions Truemotion being used as an actual visual storytelling device to affect the perceived frame rates within the actual 120fps presentation, not just as a means of downconversion for other frame rates. (This is something that James Cameron has mentioned re: HFR, that he doesn't want it all HFR all the time and that he'd rather use it on the scenes that really require it.)

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/tech/...137703.article

More DV news –
http://www.tpe-pp.com.tw/index.php/en/ <- just received their Dolby Vision home content postproduction certification

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

The issue with Billy was the film not the tech.

a comforting thing at least for me about Gemini Man is that maybe this time around since Mason Lee is not in it, I needn’t be compelled to translate so much like with Billy Lynn - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post12852119 as my ability with that language is limited. I find French, Spanish and Tagalog easier.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I posted it in this very same thread we are in at the moment, if you click the little arrow by my name in the quoted post you can travel back into the mists of time to all of three weeks ago. Thanks for those links though, I'm downloading the 120 DCP now though **** knows what I can play it on.

[edit]

Given the article's mention that Truemotion wasn't used on Billy Lynn's I'm a bit confused, as I read that's exactly what they did use in order to generate the 60 and 24 versions out of the 120fps original, i.e. that they didn't just chop out whatever frames that they needed but that those two versions are literally entire interpolations of the 120fps original. Or maybe I'm just getting my wires crossed in that the article mentions Truemotion being used as an actual visual storytelling device to affect the perceived frame rates within the actual 120fps presentation, not just as a means of downconversion for other frame rates. (This is something that James Cameron has mentioned re: HFR, that he doesn't want it all HFR all the time and that he'd rather use it on the scenes that really require it.)

Sorry about that, I completely forgot . I now see I was too preoccupied in posting this pictorial exclusive at the time - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post16116265

Your wires are not crossed as I think that paragraph as written by the author is a bit confusing, discounting the blatant spelling error of TrueMotion. Frame blending (TrueMotion - https://vimeo.com/228442493) <- from - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...r#post13937653was used for most of the scenes in the 60fps and 24fps iterations of the film. A side benefit was that it produced less image noise than if the imagery were shot at those native frame rates to begin with.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

a comforting thing at least for me about Gemini Man is that maybe this time around since Mason Lee is not in it, I needn’t be compelled to translate so much like with Billy Lynn - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post12852119 as my ability with that language is limited. I find French, Spanish and Tagalog easier.

Although, thinking back, this was funny - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...u#post12862020 considering Joe didn’t know what the hell Mason was talking about at the time.