Sony UBP-X700 4K UHD Blu-ray player

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Does this make a difference if you have the player hooked up to a 1.4 HDMI port?

If you look at the table: the specs with green font (8.9 gbps) are also compatible with HDMI 1.4 ports. But the port MUST support HDCP 2.2 of course for 2160p playback. Keep in mind that HDMI 1.4 doesn't support HDR10, but that shouldn't matter: if you are using an HDMI 1.4 port probably you are not using an HDR TV anyway

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Does this make a difference if you have the player hooked up to a 1.4 HDMI port?

Why a Sony player outputs a bit video signal? It only makes sense while playing Dolby Vision but why upconvert to 12 bit when the video signal will end up being displayed on a 10 bit panel on the best of the case?
I have my Sony X-800 set up to 4:4:4 which is supported as a 10 bit video signal by the HDMI specs 'though I don't know if by forcing 4:4:4 the X-800 outputs a 10 video signal as my Samsung T.V. set doesn't tell the bit depth of the incoming video.
Why having the X-800 set to 4:4:4 instead of Auto or 4:2:2? Because in my opinion 1080p video like regular BD's look a bit cleaner than 4:2:2 or Auto and 4K HDR material doesn't look to be afected. I have the video output to "Original Resolution" as most of us know the X-800 sucks at upconverting to 4K so I let my Samsung TV to do the upscaling.
Aren't there any UHD BD players that output BD's at its native 8 bit and HDR10 UHD BD's at their native 10 bit resolution?

[sapiendut]

If you have someone you know in a mastering studio, ask that person to output a 10 vs 12 vs 14 bit fed to a 10 but panel. You will ALWAYS see that a higher bit sample will display better even when they are displayed to a 10-bit panels.

Down sampling is a good thing, be it in video or audio

[Fendergopher]

Isn't the downsampling principle dependent upon the original source being (in this case) higher than 10 bit for it to make a difference when played back on a 10 bit display? Or does some sort of dithering process within a higher bitdepth container also result in an improvement to banding and so on?

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

If you have someone you know in a mastering studio, ask that person to output a 10 vs 12 vs 14 bit fed to a 10 but panel. You will ALWAYS see that a higher bit sample will display better even when they are displayed to a 10-bit panels.

Down sampling is a good thing, be it in video or audio

I know the theory egarding audio very well. You may want to use higher bit depths than the native one ONLY if you are to process the signal. I don't know what kind of signal processing is going on inside a TV set but anyway the fact is if a 10 bit video signal it wouldn't be a bad thing to ouput its native resolution, it can always be upconverted INSIDE the TV for processing.
One thing I've been wondering for years is why does HDMI sends the video signal uncompressed? It takes a lot of bandwith. Wouldn't it make more sense to send the video signal compressed which takes much less bandwith and then the video decompression be done inside the TV and process it as the TV sees it better according to the panel it has. Doesn't it make sense to send DTS-HD Master Audio/X or Dolby TrueHD/Atmos UNCOMPRESSED through the HDMI port/cable and let the receiver do the decompressing as it fits it better?
Wouldn't this work the same way and better with video? I'd make just disc spinners (with really good reading drives and not the junk we use to get) with outputs letting the TV do all the decompression and processing.

[sapiendut]

It depends on how good or bad the image processing of the player / display.

When using a player such as Pioneer Lx500 or Panasonic UB9000, I let the player process the compressed signal, send it in as 12 bit and then downsampled by the display.

If the TV has a kick butt processor such as Sony’s X1 Ultimate or Panasonic’s HCX-I (coming in Fall 2019), I let the signal to be sent to the display as native as possible and let the TV processors do the processing (up to 14 bit) and downsample it to the display’s native bit depth.

[sapiendut]

As for NOT sending compressed signal is only due to backwards compatibility reason. Say you have a 4K disc but not yet have a 4K display, your display won’t have H.265 decoding capability, can’t recognize, 10-bit video, etc.

[Steven11788]

hey guys just purchased this after getting a 85 bravia and learning all the whoop la about not playing certain players with vision. ok my question is. if I have my cables set up right if i am watching a dolby vision movie do i just go into the setting and click enhance mode. Is that all i need for Vision to let its glory shine.

[rroeder]

Just turn it on in the settings, and HDR output(think that's the name) should be at Auto. The logo will come up briefly whne movie starts, also if you leave it on it will force DV so you have to turn it off for regular HDR

Enjoy I haven't been able to tell much diff between DV and other HDR content

[Steven11788]

Originally Posted by rroeder

Just turn it on in the settings, and HDR output(think that's the name) should be at Auto. The logo will come up briefly whne movie starts, also if you leave it on it will force DV so you have to turn it off for regular HDR

Enjoy I haven't been able to tell much diff between DV and other HDR content

I never saw a symbol come up. I only watched 1 scene from Transformers 4. when optimus meets grimlock. I never saw but yea i went to home, down to setting clicked it on enhance mode then kept clicking back till picture showed up

[luis1]

Hi everyone!

New here (and relatively new to the world of blu ray/ 4k video), I hope what I want to ask is not too obvious. I recently got the Sony UBP-X700, and (as I see people posting just above me) I can force not only HDR movies into Dolby Vision, but also standard 1080p BluRay discs. Is there a consensus about this? is DV generally considered an upgrade for things that are not specifically encoded for the format? I have watched a few standard Blu ray discs in DV, and I can certainly tell there is a difference in regard to dynamics, but I am not really experienced with video quality so I really can't tell if it is having a negative impact on how the image is supposed to look. The same for HDR discs- should I be switching back and forth, or can I just force everything into DV?

Thanks!

[Kage]

My Sony 55X930D is a HDR10 tv. If I watch a Blu-ray movie and enable DV, will the x700 downscale DV to HDR10 at 1080p/60 or 4K/24 and will it make Blu-ray movies look better?

[roadwarrior980]

How is the vudu app streaming quality, in terms of picture and audio? I'd like to stream some UHD titles and wonder if its better than the Cast from my vizio m65-d0

[rroeder]

Originally Posted by Steven11788

I never saw a symbol come up. I only watched 1 scene from Transformers 4. when optimus meets grimlock. I never saw but yea i went to home, down to setting clicked it on enhance mode then kept clicking back till picture showed up

Not sure what you mean by enhance mode, is that a player setting or TV? Make sure and do a firmware update as the player may not be up to date but there is a Dolby Vision setting under screen settings that needs to be turned on. Also if you go into picture settings on TV you should see HDR and Dolby Vision for picture mode. The DV logo should come up on screen as well

luis1- I prefer to watch them as intended but yeah you can force DV if you want. I tried the forced DV too and it looked similar to when the player upscales compared to TV, didn't really like it

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

I know the theory egarding audio very well. You may want to use higher bit depths than the native one ONLY if you are to process the signal. I don't know what kind of signal processing is going on inside a TV set but anyway the fact is if a 10 bit video signal it wouldn't be a bad thing to ouput its native resolution, it can always be upconverted INSIDE the TV for processing.
One thing I've been wondering for years is why does HDMI sends the video signal uncompressed? It takes a lot of bandwith. Wouldn't it make more sense to send the video signal compressed which takes much less bandwith and then the video decompression be done inside the TV and process it as the TV sees it better according to the panel it has. Doesn't it make sense to send DTS-HD Master Audio/X or Dolby TrueHD/Atmos UNCOMPRESSED through the HDMI port/cable and let the receiver do the decompressing as it fits it better?
Wouldn't this work the same way and better with video? I'd make just disc spinners (with really good reading drives and not the junk we use to get) with outputs letting the TV do all the decompression and processing.

Dunno, what about the amount of data involved? I DON'T mean with regards to HDMI transmission but what the TV would have to receive, decompress and then apply its image processing to on the fly, you'd need more powerful silicon to do it. We've got chips with the grunt to do it of course, but that means more expense and complexity in the end product. Makes much more sense to let the players do the decompression and keep that side of things 'downstream' IMO.

You're right that audio works along the same principle as what you've described, that the compressed signal is streamed from the player and is unpacked & processed by the AVR, but that goes back to what I just said about the amount of data involved: decompressing a few Mb/s is easier on the circuits than, say, 100 Mb/s.

[Steven11788]

Originally Posted by rroeder

Not sure what you mean by enhance mode, is that a player setting or TV? Make sure and do a firmware update as the player may not be up to date but there is a Dolby Vision setting under screen settings that needs to be turned on. Also if you go into picture settings on TV you should see HDR and Dolby Vision for picture mode. The DV logo should come up on screen as well

luis1- I prefer to watch them as intended but yeah you can force DV if you want. I tried the forced DV too and it looked similar to when the player upscales compared to TV, didn't really like it

hmm, thats how I looked it up and said, now Im worried. I got my audio only to my receiver and my tv running to hdmi 2 cause thats what it said. now I gotta go fiddle with it again cause when I go into my settings i only see hdr and like a standard hd and auto

[Bodyslide]

Originally Posted by Steven11788

hmm, thats how I looked it up and said, now Im worried. I got my audio only to my receiver and my tv running to hdmi 2 cause thats what it said. now I gotta go fiddle with it again cause when I go into my settings i only see hdr and like a standard hd and auto

For the Sony 700: if this is on then the player is passing the DV signal to the TV. Now it's up to the TV to show the DV. On my Sony 930E, it will show in the top right corner as well as on the Picture settings. Good Luck

x[Dolby Vision Output]
[On]: Output 4K/DV signals via 4K/DVcompatible
devices.
[Off]: Automatically outputs HDR signals
when you connect any 4K/HDR or 4K/DVcompatible
equipment.

[rroeder]

Checkout this link for TV settings https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x900f/settings

Sounds like you have a setting issue but not sure if it's the tv or player by your description

[Bodyslide]

Originally Posted by Steven11788

hey guys just purchased this after getting a 85 bravia and learning all the whoop la about not playing certain players with vision. ok my question is. if I have my cables set up right if i am watching a dolby vision movie do i just go into the setting and click enhance mode. Is that all i need for Vision to let its glory shine.

Also make sure that you have the newest firmware on the TV. You may have gotten a set that doesn't have the Dolby Vision update to it.

Update 06/11/2018: Dolby Vision support has been added as of firmware (PKG6.5603.0175NAA).

Also please update your signature with your equipment as it makes it easier to help out. Thanks

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Dunno, what about the amount of data involved? I DON'T mean with regards to HDMI transmission but what the TV would have to receive, decompress and then apply its image processing to on the fly, you'd need more powerful silicon to do it. We've got chips with the grunt to do it of course, but that means more expense and complexity in the end product. Makes much more sense to let the players do the decompression and keep that side of things 'downstream' IMO.

You're right that audio works along the same principle as what you've described, that the compressed signal is streamed from the player and is unpacked & processed by the AVR, but that goes back to what I just said about the amount of data involved: decompressing a few Mb/s is easier on the circuits than, say, 100 Mb/s.

But sending compressed video signal through HDMI would make more sense regarding the decoding inside the TV as it would do a custom processing for the panel it has, with uncompressed video over HDMI the player can not custom decode or do the best chroma upsampling for example as it doesn't know what kind of panel the video signal will ended up displayed, apart from detecting HDR, Dolby Vision and video resolution via HDMI handshake. And I don't think these decoding chips can be so expensive if some brands can make decent looking UHD BD players that feature this circuitry for around 100 US $. Panasonic UHD BD player can customize video decoding but some of them are not cheap and you're not going to match one of these with a cheap TV set.
In my opinion there should be the option of video being sent over HDMI both in a compressed and uncompressed form.