HDR Discussion Thread

[bruceames]

Yeah it was Mark who was raising a stink about the integrity of the Shootout, because his favorite brand (Samsung) came in last place. So instead of blaming the TV, he throws the Shootout itself under the bus. Pretty classless as we're lucky just to have a Shootout like this and AVS banned the person behind it all.

[Robert Zohn]

Thank you Bruce. I would love to be back on AVS Forum and hope one day the wrongdoing they banned me for will be acknowledged and my membership will be renewed.

With all that said I love my home here on Blu-ray.com and enjoy the large group of highly skilled and knowledgeable members, mods, admins along with all of great members who come here to learn and contribute, all of which makes this forum a great place to discuss and educate ourselves on our beloved hobby. I love spreading the good word of quality a/v so others can get the best entrainment from home a/v and through my annual TV Shootout and everyday communications to get the manufacturers to enhance their products.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DanBa

To this exact thread and to other thread of "Ultra HD Blu-ray and 4K Hardware and Technology".

I learned a lot from Blu-ray.com and from AVS.
BTW, thank you very much!

You’re sincerely welcome.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DanBa

I'd like to be friendly with everyone.
Life is better in a friendly environment.

I really needed you as my advocate several years ago.

Once, when we were in France at the Tour de France, I tried to convince my wife of that very thing when while in the hotel bar I simply asked ‘a lady of the night’ who was familiar with the local roadways) directions as to the most expedient way to the next Stage so as to avoid the caravan of vehicles rushing out after the race is over.

I ended up sleeping on the couch that night.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Thank you Bruce. I would love to be back on AVS Forum and hope one day the wrongdoing...

I find decisions made by forum administrations in general to have little to do with what is ‘right’ or what is ‘wrong’, more often being based upon some sort of self interest or the volume of complaints….misguided or outright prejudicial said complaints may be.

But what the hell, Judges make poor rulings too.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

...get the manufacturers to enhance their products.

As long as it’s not done mischievously –
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/10/b...ting.html?_r=5, <- if that link doesn’t go thru for some, then just google ‘Beyond VW Scandal: Home Appliance Industry no Stranger to Tricks’.

I like the idea of higher nits displays….but not at thee expense of our environment which has already been harmed too much.

[Penton-Man]

Back to the France theme....

Éclair taking their HDR solution from demo status for Insiders last October….
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...w#post12826906

to real world content for theatergoers with a major feature film….
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...-format-967750

[moviemike4]

Lg is keen on this year too, to bring attention to its HDR Effect feature , for up converting standard dynamic range content to HDR .Lg previous stab at this in 2016 wasn't exactly a rip roaring success , but Lg Claims it now works not just frame by frame but also on specific areas of each frame deliver a more accurate effect .

[DanBa]

"HDR standards support per today.
Supporting HDR10 only just doesn't cut it anymore."

[puddy77]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Back to the France theme....

Éclair taking their HDR solution from demo status for Insiders last October….
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...w#post12826906

to real world content for theatergoers with a major feature film….
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...-format-967750

Did you attend the demo or have any other info on the format? I know they say it can work on some currently installed Sony 4k projectors (after an upgrade) and is somewhat DCI compliant. So is it some sort of HDR-lite? Any specifics on how they master? PQ, HLG, or other? It seems that THR is about the only one to ever mention EclairColor, and they are just covering the press releases.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

^ Specifically…“So there is that option as well, it’s not absolutely necessary….we’ve seen that the way we work with these manufacturers is that we calibrate these modes pretty well and then what you want to compensate for is really the variation in the manufacturing process”, from


So, the way I read that is if there is insignificant variation in the manufacturing process between Dolby Vision capable HDR TVs of a manufacturer, then for hobbyists it’s not absolutely necessary to have this mode calibrated.

Pah, I'll whip out my colorimeter the first chance I get when I finally decide to get a new TV.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DanBa

"HDR standards support per today
Supporting HDR10 only just doesn't cut it anymore."
https://twitter.com/UHD4k/status/823903791854469121

Dang Dan, that is another website that reads us to gain knowledge (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post12982690), but I’m told never has acknowledged this forum in one of their tweets. How come I can’t get any information on their associated retail business (the Amazon storefront)? Are they in the U.S.?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by puddy77

Did you attend the demo...

Yes

Originally Posted by puddy77

So is it some sort of HDR-lite?

IMO, in a nutshell, yes. It is superior to traditional cinema (which we are in the early stages of trying to encourage advancement/improvement – see NGCD hyperlink here…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...d#post12847729
),

but falls short to the image quality of the walled gardens of Dolby Vision and IMAX HDR presentations.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Pah, I'll whip out my colorimeter the first chance I get when I finally decide to get a new TV.

Yeah, but I think you fit the semi-professional category that Roland was referring to during the interview.

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Perhaps not, but the ICtCp color space will be applicable to either PQ or HLG . More refinement at the last HEVC meeting. This all takes time.

I read that ICtCp was added to HEVC at the last minute so I think it is in the fourth version of HEVC that was just released.

Originally Posted by DanBa

"HDR standards support per today
Supporting HDR10 only just doesn't cut it anymore."
https://twitter.com/UHD4k/status/823903791854469121

Samsung is planning to add HLG to their 2016/2017 HDR displays.

[bruceames]

I read that Sony is also going to add HLG to their 2015-2017 displays.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

^ When I stopped by the HDMI booth at CES to chat, I was informed that the new HDMI standard uses Display Stream Compression (DSC) compression Version 1.2 for resolution formats > 8K, not sure if that's in any of the online literature yet.

Recommended consumer interface presentation to any lurking SMPTE members in the D.C. area….https://www.smpte.org/sections/washi...-february-2017, excuse the spelling error in the notice.

For those who can’t get to the event, he’s already broken down HDMI 2.1 a little here…..http://www.avnetwork.com/systems-con...0NNFKA.twitter

[Penton-Man]

Has anyone tried/watched this?….
SEE -
https://www.zdf.de/dokumentation/ter...inder-100.html

Download on terrax.zdf.de

"The other way is, the movie from this website (see links on this info box) from downloading to a USB stick and play on your TV. To do this, click on the link with the right mouse button and then select "Save target as". If you only click on the link, it may be that your non-4K-enabled PC signals a "corrupted file".

The download version brings with the HbbTV version an extended color space, so-called HDR. HDR stands for high-dynamic range, which makes the recordings even more brilliant and the viewer can see more details in light and dark areas of the picture. With a corresponding TV / player you will see much more colors and have a higher contrast range."

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by bruceames

I read that Sony is also going to add HLG to their 2015-2017 displays.

Bruce, just replied to your PM. My mail box is now full , so if you desire to continue the training conversation, give me a day or so to delete some messages and make room. Thanks

[DanBa]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Dang Dan, that is another website that reads us to gain knowledge (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post12982690), but I’m told never has acknowledged this forum in one of their tweets. How come I can’t get any information on their associated retail business (the Amazon storefront)? Are they in the U.S.?

Retaliatory action done: link removed!