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Old 10-28-2017, 05:11 AM   #3061
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Unfortunately, the USA men’s national team didn’t qualify for the world cup....which is quite embarrassing given their grouping

Instead of one, we need 11 of Pulisic’s quality -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post14154650

Time for the USA soccer federation to stop playing the blame game with coaches and put more into the grass roots level and developing talent.

So in the meantime I’ll be rooting for England to advance as far into the tournament as possible with their quality…..if they play spirited and vigorously!
 
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Old 10-28-2017, 05:21 AM   #3062
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lots of WCG and dynamic range management related topic presented today at smpte conf, reporters should be covering later....
Chris Chinnock wins for being first reporter with a preview -
https://www.displaydaily.com/article...pte-conference

Another cutting edge and relatively unrecognized (by hobbyists) is everything and anything about ICtCp - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...p#post13467638

which was spoken about at the smpte conf.
 
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Old 10-28-2017, 05:27 PM   #3063
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and regular readers….the October 2017 advocacy notes for the scene-referred approach to live HDR – http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/p...ive_Intent.pdf

although the BBC was relatively quiet at the smpte conf, NHK showed some use cases involving HLG and continues to pave the way forward for others with that approach.

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Old 10-28-2017, 05:39 PM   #3064
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the BBC was relatively quiet at the smpte conf,
but, BBC does have a new upcoming feather in their hat namely, Blue Planet 2 which is a BBC Studios Natural History Unit production and a co-production with BBC America

from IBC reporting…..
While viewers in the UK can see Blue Planet 2 in HD on their TV sets (and potentially in higher resolution formats via BBC iPlayer at some point in the future), the series itself is bound for a number of different destinations around the world - and will be viewed in a number of different ways. As such, a huge number of deliverables were required. Again, this responsibility fell to Films at 59.

As well as the BBC transmitted version, the Bristol post house will deliver seven more in HD and two in UHD HDR. This is nine principal versions for each of the six programme: or 63 versions across the series in total. And then there are different sound deliverables too, for both stereo and 5.1.
Films at 59 post producer Miles Hall, the project manager on Blue Planet 2, says the extent of the deliverables means that the delivery processes need to be embedded in the whole post-production workflow from the outset, especially with “challenging” delivery deadlines in mind.
“Delivery deadlines are often different for each version,” he says. “So while the BBC TX version is the focus, this may be last to deliver with the Worldwide and DVD versions being needed first to allow for localisation and creation and distribution of the DVDs.”

To facilitate the delivery process, the constituent parts that make up each programme - the stings, titles, main body of the programme, presenter-less sections, calls to action, the ‘making of’ diary, credits and end boards - are all treated as separate elements. Hall describes it as being a bit like a model kit.
“Each of the elements go through their individual post processes as required and they only come together on a single timeline for the final review and export for each version,” he says. “The BBC version, for example, includes the ‘making of’ diary and an Open University call to action but the BBC Worldwide version has its own sting, no ‘making of’ diary and a different end board.”

For the UHD HDR versions, Films at 59 is delivering both a 25fps Hybrid Log Gamma (HLG) series for BBC Worldwide and a 23.98fps PQ one for Blu-ray. The latter requires careful attention to the metadata tagging as this will impact on downstream distribution and how the final version is viewed.
All the versions then go through a Quality Control (QC) and file delivery process, with each taking a number of hours to complete.
Like the series itself, the post-production of Blue Planet 2, is no mean achievement.
“Resources are stretched further as editorial changes are made along the way,” adds Hall.
“These often need to be incorporated into files that have already been made and sometimes even delivered. Having a solid set of internal procedures to manage all these deliverables is essential if everything is to get where it needs to go and on time.”

• Blue Planet 2 will air on BBC1 from Sunday 29 October.
 
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Old 10-28-2017, 05:54 PM   #3065
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at the smpte conf...
So, I noticed many folks at 2017 smpte conf entering and being well into their *seasoned years*. Made me wonder and discuss with a smpte Fellow, how many of those with grey-ing or white hairs who were involved in imaging technology (esp. HDR) and despite possessing normal visual acuity, he guessed had at least grade 1 nuclear cataract formation and therefore some degree of decreased contrast sensitivity - http://www.allaboutvision.com/eye-ex...ensitivity.htm

Take home message – what settings work best for some, don’t necessarily work best for all, even if everyone boasts of 20/20 BCVA.
 
Old 10-29-2017, 01:04 AM   #3066
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a smpte Fellow
And DV demo-er, David

 
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Old 10-29-2017, 04:38 AM   #3067
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Directv will air its 1st ever live HDR sports game soon. Must also have NBA league pass.


https://tvanswerman.com/2017/10/28/d...in-4k-hdr/amp/
 
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Old 10-29-2017, 08:16 PM   #3068
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[MENTION=8100274]DanBa[/MENTION], the Vizio P Series added HLG with its latest firmware. See this post. And I can confirm.
Thanks Puddy77 !





Using a cheap VP9 Profile 2 YouTube HDR compliant media player like the Chromecast Ultra, a Vizio P TV can play VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR contents:

VP9-PQ YouTube HDR file stored on YouTube cloud >> Internet >> VP9-PQ compliant Chromecast Ultra > CTA HDR10 uncompressed video >> HDMI >> HDR10 compliant Vizio TV

VP9-HLG YouTube HDR file stored on YouTube cloud >> Internet >> VP9-HLG compliant Chromecast Ultra > HLG uncompressed video >> HDMI >> HLG HDR compliant Vizio TV.


And then this Vizio TV becomes a universal HDR TV: it can play any existing operational HDR content.
 
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Directv will air its 1st ever live HDR sports game soon. Must also have NBA league pass.


https://tvanswerman.com/2017/10/28/d...in-4k-hdr/amp/
working considerations for the camera operators and shaders - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post13954871
 
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Old 10-30-2017, 04:06 PM   #3070
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• Blue Planet 2 will air on BBC1 from Sunday 29 October.
But.... the BBC does have its online player the bbc iplayer that supports UHD, it has only been used so far for a trial and they showed 2 minutes of the "Planet earth".

I was hoping that we would get the whole series like this, in the same way that sky allows you to watch UHD versions of content after it has been broadcasted.
 
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take 2 weeks off….and see how many e-mails pile up
 
Old 10-30-2017, 04:53 PM   #3072
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....a commercial CLEDIS installation
^ update -
the Google campus (up in the Bay area) will be rocking with a sony cledis (or, as some from sony marketing prefer, c-led) roughly ? 25’ in height, in their new event auditorium.
 
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honored for their work involving HDR, Paul….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kN6l_2ol5E#t=3m22s

and Sean….https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kN6l_2ol5E#t=4m36s
 
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take 2 weeks off….
and sometime during that ^ interval, I just noticed that the HDR Discussion thread not only breached, but blasted thru the ˝ million viewership mark with gusto!

Congrats to all the readers and contributors - https://forum.blu-ray.com/misc.php?d...osted&t=276605
 
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Netflix has contacted me and sent me the proper PQ/HDR version of Meridian. The version currently on the channel is derived from the SDR master and I color graded it in HDR. I am sure the official HDR version will be better

The file is more than 120 GB so it has a bitrate above 1.45 Gbps for ~11 minutes of content!

Once I can get the correct version on YouTube I will post it here. I am curious if YouTube will accept 8 channel audio. If not, I will have to replace it with the stereo version.

Here are the specs I got from Netflix for the file:

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  • Master Display Max Luminance: 4,000 nits
  • Master Display Min Luminance: 0.005 nits
  • Master Display Primaries:
    • Red: 0.68,0.32
    • Green: 0.265,0.69
    • Blue: 0.15,0.06
    • Master Display White Point
  • 0.3127,0.329
  • MaxCLL: 6829.186
  • MaxFALL: 124
 
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But.... the BBC does have its online player the bbc iplayer that supports UHD, it has only been used so far for a trial and they showed 2 minutes of the "Planet earth".

I was hoping that we would get the whole series like this, in the same way that sky allows you to watch UHD versions of content after it has been broadcast.
I expect they will in time. But in the meantime, that 4k iPlayer trial/demo is still locking out Samsung TVs, even though they work with HLG just fine.
 
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I expect they will in time. But in the meantime, that 4k iPlayer trial/demo is still locking out Samsung TVs, even though they work with HLG just fine.
I remember reading a while ago that the trial/demo on the iPlayer was only made available to Panasonic TVs. That would explain why it cannot be played on your TV.

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and sometime during that ^ interval, I just noticed that the HDR Discussion thread not only breached, but blasted thru the ˝ million viewership mark with gusto!

Congrats to all the readers and contributors - https://forum.blu-ray.com/misc.php?d...osted&t=276605
Which when you think about it, is kinda amazing given the very limited face time (in minutes) this thread generally occupies at the top of the totem pole in the Ultra HD Blu-ray and 4K Hardware and Technology subforum with all the device proponents/users being so expeditiously active.
 
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Netflix has contacted me and sent me the proper PQ/HDR version of Meridian. The version currently on the channel is derived from the SDR master and I color graded it in HDR. I am sure the official HDR version will be better

The file is more than 120 GB so it has a bitrate above 1.45 Gbps for ~11 minutes of content!

Once I can get the correct version on YouTube I will post it here. I am curious if YouTube will accept 8 channel audio. If not, I will have to replace it with the stereo version.

Here are the specs I got from Netflix for the file:
Looking forward to it . The source file provided to you is apparently trimmed down (maxCLL) from a previous iteration generated earlier this year for picture quality evaluation -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post13192703

Regardless, new readers unfamiliar with the nuances of HDR, should note that brightness metadata can be generated by the content creator beyond the maximum luminance of the mastering display, be it the Pulsar or whatever (SIM2), as the PQ transfer function capability is up to 10,000 cd/m2 luminance.
 
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Chris Chinnock wins for being first reporter with a preview -
https://www.displaydaily.com/article...pte-conference

Another cutting edge and relatively unrecognized (by hobbyists) is everything and anything about ICtCp - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...p#post13467638

which was spoken about at the smpte conf.
According to Scott Wilkinson, Netflix is using ICtCp for its Dolby Vision titles.
http://www.avsforum.com/dolby-demons...el-smpte-2017/
 
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