HDR Discussion Thread

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

HDMI 2.what Goldstar??


https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#1c0d3f7d6276

lol, so many people being desperate for HDMI 2.1 (even if they don't know what it is, they know they must have it) despite the puny amount of sources that actually NEED 4K120 @ 12-bit 4:4:4 support, especially if people aren't gamers. Been saying this for ages. Yes, I fully appreciate that the future is coming - it always is - and that such sources will come along in due time etc etc but to the average schmoe 2.1 is next to useless. But hey, buzzwords and stuff!

[Fendergopher]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

lol, so many people being desperate for HDMI 2.1 (even if they don't know what it is, they know they must have it) despite the puny amount of sources that actually NEED 4K120 @ 12-bit 4:4:4 support, especially if people aren't gamers. Been saying this for ages. Yes, I fully appreciate that the future is coming - it always is - and that such sources will come along in due time etc etc but to the average schmoe 2.1 is next to useless. But hey, buzzwords and stuff!

Hey, Joe Schmoe is gonna need it for all that 8K sports that's just around the corner! Bigger numbers = better.

Seriously though, 4K@120 is a very nice feature for gaming, when most 4K PC monitors are still 60Hz. Now GPUs just need to catch up on the HDMI front, seeing as the DP developers seem to have given up on releasing actual products.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Fendergopher

Hey, Joe Schmoe is gonna need it for all that 8K sports that's just around the corner! Bigger numbers = better.

Seriously though, 4K@120 is a very nice feature for gaming, when most 4K PC monitors are still 60Hz. Now GPUs just need to catch up on the HDMI front, seeing as the DP developers seem to have given up on releasing actual products.

Most??

https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/revi...44hz,6023.html


There are tons of HRR PC displays that are over 60.
And they don't lie about their spec.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Fendergopher

Hey, Joe Schmoe is gonna need it for all that 8K sports that's just around the corner! Bigger numbers = better.

Seriously though, 4K@120 is a very nice feature for gaming, when most 4K PC monitors are still 60Hz. Now GPUs just need to catch up on the HDMI front, seeing as the DP developers seem to have given up on releasing actual products.

Ah yes of course, 8K sports! Better get those HDM 2.1 TVs in quick, while the best that even a TV-loving nation like the US can manage right now is a 1080p-upscaled "4K" Superbowl

I'm happy for them gamers but damn, it's hilarious how 2.1 has so little practical usage for day-to-day viewing.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

lol, so many people being desperate for HDMI 2.1 (even if they don't know what it is, they know they must have it) despite the puny amount of sources that actually NEED 4K120 @ 12-bit 4:4:4 support, especially if people aren't gamers. Been saying this for ages. Yes, I fully appreciate that the future is coming - it always is - and that such sources will come along in due time etc etc but to the average schmoe 2.1 is next to useless. But hey, buzzwords and stuff!

Exactly my thoughts.

Right now, HDMI 2.1 is almost at the bottom of my wishlist for a new TV.

[Agent Kay]

That's handy, their old 2019 displays had it, beck when they spec shamed another company

[Penton-Man]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...s_digital.html

worthwhile spec in that it's ^ to support the capture of 8K resolution content at 30 fps in 4:2:2 10-bit format in either Canon Log or HEVC (PQ) compression

[PaulGo]

Out Of This World! Tom Cruise Plots Movie To Shoot In Space With Elon Musk’s SpaceX

I’m hearing that Tom Cruise and Elon Musk’s Space X are working on a project with NASA that would be the first narrative feature film – an action adventure – to be shot in outer space. It’s not a Mission: Impossible film and no studio is in the mix at this stage but look for more news as I get it. But this is real, albeit in the early stages of liftoff.

https://deadline.com/2020/05/tom-cru...od-1202925849/

[Geoff D]

Oh great, now we're going to get bombarded with insider info from that one too. Penton....in....SPAAAAAAAAAACE

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Oh great, now we're going to get bombarded with insider info from that one too. Penton....in....SPAAAAAAAAAACE

I think I’ll confine myself to more low altitude Insider exclusive heads-ups, à la :
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post15693898

later being independently video verified and appreciated by locals - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post15701661
before the press caught on

P.S.
If you’re a true connoisseur of poles, you should recognize/remember (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post17569746) them holding up the fencing at ~ the 1:32 timestamp of the video in that 2nd link above

[Penton-Man]

b.t.w., as some viewers are reporting an undersaturated, etc. look to the SDR version of Season 3 of Ozark, I posted this info yesterday to a good group of well-rounded HDR guys on another forum, so I guess I’ll pass it on here too for those having interest - https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...l#post59593582

Note to PaulGo et al., if you scroll further on down the page you’ll see Madeleine will be giving an update on ATSC 3.0 and various market transition activities

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

b.t.w., as some viewers are reporting an undersaturated, etc. look to the SDR version of Season 3 of Ozark, I posted this info yesterday to a good group of well-rounded HDR guys on another forum, so I guess I’ll pass it on here too for those having interest - https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...l#post59593582

Note to PaulGo et al., if you scroll further on down the page you’ll see Madeleine will be giving an update on ATSC 3.0 and various market transition activities

My main concern with ATSC 3.0 is how the broadcasters will use it. Instead of 4K content I believe they will just stuff it with more limited bandwidth sub-channels.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

My main concern with ATSC 3.0 is how the broadcasters will use it. Instead of 4K content I believe they will just stuff it will more limited bandwidth sub-channels.

That and more ways to advertise at you.



ATSC 3.0 is a joke in the U.S. There is no incentive to actually improve A/V quality and compression as most everything is coming from a streamed platform now, even some sports.



Unfortunately, broadcasters here are not like NHK in Japan. 8k with 24 channel audio? Nope! Not in the U.S.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

That and more ways to advertise at you.


ATSC 3.0 is a joke in the U.S. There is no incentive to actually improve A/V quality and compression as most everything is coming from a streamed platform now, even some sports.

Unfortunately, broadcasters here are not like NHK in Japan. 8k with 24 channel audio? Nope! Not in the U.S.

I think most people would love to have OTA broadcast to any degree improved. I usually don't like what comes from the local stations compared to streaming from the networks web site. The audio is just so much better even if it isn't lossless. If they could provide HD w/HDR OTA broadcasts with decent lossy audio, take it, its far better then they are doing now.

Your NHK Satellite broadcasts are not what consumers would use anyways.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Fendergopher

gaming

decent popcorn comedy about the industry, something I think Wabo may like too -
https://ascmag.com/videos/clubhouse-...s-mythic-quest

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

SPAAAAAAAAAACE

https://inhouse-con.com/

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

That and more ways to advertise at you.

ATSC 3.0 is a joke in the U.S. There is no incentive to actually improve A/V quality and compression as most everything is coming from a streamed platform now, even some sports.

Unfortunately, broadcasters here are not like NHK in Japan. 8k with 24 channel audio? Nope! Not in the U.S.

Why do you feel this way? ATSC 1.0 OTA was always less compressed than OTT.

Most regional broadcasters will be sharing their 6 Mhz channels so they will combine two 6 Mhz channels into one 12 Mhz channel for special programming that with be broadcast in 4K HDR.

With all this said Paul and you are also correct that the broadcasters are looking forward to the new revenue opportunities they will have with more subcarrier channels and two-way feedback for buying products OTA.

My favorite example of a great use for the new 2nd screen feed was done by an AZ PBS station that sent test messages to parents when their kids were watching a PBS channel and they gave the parents tips on how to engage the kids with questions on what they learned and to get the kids to talk about their understanding, feelings and opinions on what they watched on the PBS program.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Oh great, now we're going to get bombarded with insider info from that one too. Penton....in....SPAAAAAAAAAACE

Curious how the whole space poles thing is gonna work out in “space”.

[Waboman]

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by gkolb

Curious how the whole space poles thing is gonna work out in “space”.

Tom will, uh, find a way. But as Penton is spending so much time with his "well-rounded" AVS buddies these days will we even get the scoop on the space pole?