HDR Discussion Thread - Page 304 - Blu-ray Forum

IntelliVolume · 07-28-2018, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

OLED no, HDR yes.

Panny OLED in Canada and Europe, yes...with HDR10+ support.
And of course Panny 4K Blu-ray players supporting both HDR10+ and Dolby Vision, and HLG, all over America...in New York...with Robert. ...Canada, Japan, China, India, UK, Germany, Portugal, Italy, France, all over Europe.

I have not seen ANY of these sets in any stores where I live in the US.

LordoftheRings · 07-28-2018, 09:40 PM

That's what I meant, the best OLED HDR TVs (Panasonic) are not available in the US. All the other TVs yes, OLED and non-OLED.

And not all HDR TVs perform the same. Some HDR implementation is pathetic @ best.
And then we have the problems with the movie studios and the Blu-ray association and HDR streaming content. HDR, and its derivatives has no solid foundation, from the manufacturers, hardware, and software too; there are no standards that are observed by all. Some are better than others and it's up to us to find out. That's why we have this thread, to inform and educate us on all things HDR, and that comprises a vast territory, including all HDR TVs, no matter their technology used.

Penton is the man in this thread, and his approach is very flexible; with good humor, friendly communication, open mind. It is a relaxing thread, very. I understand his approach, 200%
He's a good balancer.

IntelliVolume · 07-28-2018, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDkw...ature=youtu.be

LordoftheRings · 07-28-2018, 09:44 PM

Humor, just to feel fresh and relax.

Penton-Man · 07-28-2018, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by IntelliVolume

I was getting to my questions regarding HDR...

Feel free to ask anything you’d like as this thread obviously spans a broad range of interests

. HDR and occasional just plain social friendly conversation. Be patient, some kind heart may eventually chime in with a few tidbits. Ray, you’re a current or former Samsung TV owner are you not?

Meanwhile, I’m going to go back and read some of the previous posts I missed while device free in Vancouver to see if I can contribute anything in that regard.

IntelliVolume · 07-28-2018, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Feel free to ask anything you’d like as this thread obviously spans a broad range of interests

. HDR and occasional just plain social friendly conversation. Be patient, some kind heart may eventually chime in with a few tidbits. Ray, you’re a current or former Samsung TV owner are you not?

Meanwhile, I’m going to go back and read some of the previous posts I missed while device free in Vancouver to see if I can contribute anything in that regard.

Thanks Penton.

I would greatly appreciate any feedback you can give me regarding my TV's settings that I mentioned...

Penton-Man · 07-28-2018, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DisplayCalNoob

Streaming on Vudu will use color model ICtCp...

at the last respective ITU SG meeting, a proposal was put forth to establish a Rapporteur Group (a dedicated group) to consider new measurements of color fidelity, like ICtCp

Penton-Man · 07-28-2018, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by IntelliVolume

Thanks Penton.

I would greatly appreciate any feedback you can give me regarding my TV's settings that I mentioned...

Robert Z. this ^ is your passion, right? How about performing a charitable service to Intelli?

Penton-Man · 07-28-2018, 10:30 PM

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post15308612

^ oh Lord, this is going to take a couple paragraphs to set straight. where's that pic of that Star Trek dude with his head in his hands that PeterTHX and others round here like to post?

no offense to you puddy

as I know you know better....it's rather thee authored 'opinion' piece from the August issue.

IntelliVolume · 07-28-2018, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post15308612

^ oh Lord, this is going to take a couple paragraphs to set straight. where's that pic of that Star Trek dude with his head in his hands that PeterTHX and others round here like to post?

no offense to you puddy

as I know you know better....it's rather thee authored 'opinion' piece from the August issue.

That head-in-hands meme that's popular (I've used it many times) is of Patrick Stewart from The Next Generation; regardless, without getting into the arguments detailed in that link you posted, I really was just looking for basic adjustment suggestions for parameters like color space, local dimming, backlighting, etc. (we can go into HDR later).

Penton-Man · 07-28-2018, 10:51 PM

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post15308612

Regarding the 4th paragraph of the anecdotal occurrence presented in that ^ opinion piece from the President’s desk, I have it on good authority that these -> https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post13608677 doctors whose eyes are/were critical to their profession (not to mention, their patients’ health) did not feel any need to consult with fellow colleagues regarding serious eye strain and such and thusly did not take time off from their day jobs based on other doctor’s orders to confine themselves “to a dark room for 24 hours” and…..subsequently, have not suffered any ocular morbidities whatsoever as the result of some 20 or 30+ years of viewing films on high nit light boxes for 8 hr./day…..or more. They’d of been living every other day of their lives in total darkness.

Perhaps diagnostic radiologists are supermen and superwomen?....or some ASC Presidents should become better informed before using a singular anecdotal case in order to try to critique something. I think a lot of the tone expressed in that opinion piece is actually frustration related to the politics of the industry (watch 2nd vimeo clip -> https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post14920991) rather than based upon real science of HDR and the human visual system.

Penton-Man · 07-28-2018, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

here’s a book on HDR by that digital troublemaker whose spoken before at the SMPTE Annual Technical Conference & Exhibition which just went on sale for less than 20 bucks -

https://www.amazon.com/Dynamic-Range...otion+Pictures

not yet publicized on the SMPTE site as the web people have only gotten around to early registration, keynote and such, but thee above ^ author will be presenting a paper regarding thee analysis of SDR assets to predict the potential of HDR at the upcoming SMPTE 2018 Annual Technical Conference & Exhibition this October in Los Angeles.

P.S.
Book is no longer on sale

Penton-Man · 07-28-2018, 11:04 PM

NBC Universal is remastering Columbo In SDR and

HDR (including episodes shot by a former 2-term President of the ASC…..https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0937774/..._=nm_ov_bio_sm )

Penton-Man · 07-28-2018, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Nice place Penton; BC is beautiful, Vancouver is a nice city with gorgeous surroundings...the ocean, the bridge, the park, the mountains, ...
Sorry I could not received you, I was across on Vancouver Island surfing and sailing with the whales between all those gorgeous smaller islands. ...Next time, when HDR hits the prime.

Not to worry

Looking out from a friend’s boat while cruising around the harbor, my wife took one glance

at the air seaplanes lined up that fly to Victoria…

and she said “no way”, plus, we weren’t in the mood for dealing with the peak season ferry traffic to get over to your neck of the woods.

Penton-Man · 07-28-2018, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Waboman

Have fun on your vaca. Make sure you swing by this place for lunch. I recommend the soup.

That should be easy, as we’re now back in SoCal and I’m still on vacation

Penton-Man · 07-28-2018, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gkolb

Penton, the great 23-ish day bicycle race starts tomorrow morning.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

bike races like so – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...f#post13632805
still not in 4K/HDR/WCG, but behind the scenes shows now are

, starting in July –

Eat. Race. Win. - Official Trailer | Prime Video - YouTube

But I'll confess, I still venture here for BBQ from time to time - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post14042177

flash forward some 20+ days
chapeau today to Geraint Thomas who did that ^ (eat, race, win) superbly for 22 days. Good to see a longtime hard working, loyal domestique win Le Tour. gkolb, he also goes by ‘g’ for short.

Also, although I know of no behind the scenes shows in HDR like Eat.Race.Win specifically devoted to endurance mountain biking as of yet, tip of the hat to Geoff K for winning this year’s BCBR….https://bike.shimano.com/en-US/infor...xtr-m9100.html

LordoftheRings · 07-29-2018, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Not to worry

Looking out from a friend’s boat while cruising around the harbor, my wife took one glance

at the air seaplanes lined up that fly to Victoria…

and she said “no way”, plus, we weren’t in the mood for dealing with the peak season ferry traffic to get over to your neck of the woods.

The plane is the best, half hour. The ferry is for car slaves.
Best to just rent a car across, in Sidney.

There's a nude beach by the university in Vancouver, that's where filmmakers and crews like to hang around.

Penton-Man · 07-29-2018, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

There's a nude beach by the university in Vancouver, that's where filmmakers and crews like to hang around.

They told me of ‘Wreck Beach’ but given the precarious hiking needed to get down the cliffs to the beach, we deferred and just went on to the Granville Island market to buy fresh fruit and stuffa our faces.

And for the geeks among us, don’t forget more towards downtown the establishments/organizations like SPI - https://www.imageworks.com/contact-us (within walking distance of Simon’s Bike Shop who I think carry the best selection of Vancouver/Canada jerseys one can find

) and also Vancouver being the home of the non-profit VPA - http://www.vancouverpostalliance.com/

gkolb · 07-29-2018, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

NBC Universal is remastering Columbo In SDR and

HDR (including episodes shot by a former 2-term President of the ASC…..https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0937774/..._=nm_ov_bio_sm )

What resolution and color space for HDR? (suppose they’re working with film sources), Any idea if/ or how this will be made available for purchase or viewing?

ray0414 · 07-29-2018, 04:40 PM

Looks like there will be a new HDR king announced on Tuesday in New York. I bet certain people on the forum have been antsy with some type of nda

Will be great to see if Sony's lcd can live up to the claims/hype. VE shootout should be the best ever this year.

4000 nits
1500 zones
Improved viewing angles
X1U
glossy panel
Also supposedly switched to Quantum Dots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCra...ature=youtu.be

07-28-2018, 09:40 PM	#6062
LordoftheRings Special Member Member since: Mar 2010 Location: Portishead ♫ Posts: 28,561 Thanks: 4,112 Thanked 6,899 times in 4,825 posts	That's what I meant, the best OLED HDR TVs (Panasonic) are not available in the US. All the other TVs yes, OLED and non-OLED. And not all HDR TVs perform the same. Some HDR implementation is pathetic @ best. And then we have the problems with the movie studios and the Blu-ray association and HDR streaming content. HDR, and its derivatives has no solid foundation, from the manufacturers, hardware, and software too; there are no standards that are observed by all. Some are better than others and it's up to us to find out. That's why we have this thread, to inform and educate us on all things HDR, and that comprises a vast territory, including all HDR TVs, no matter their technology used. Penton is the man in this thread, and his approach is very flexible; with good humor, friendly communication, open mind. It is a relaxing thread, very. I understand his approach, 200% He's a good balancer.

07-28-2018, 09:44 PM	#6064
LordoftheRings Special Member Member since: Mar 2010 Location: Portishead ♫ Posts: 28,561 Thanks: 4,112 Thanked 6,899 times in 4,825 posts	Humor, just to feel fresh and relax.

07-28-2018, 10:30 PM	#6069
Penton-Man Retired Hollywood Insider Member since: Apr 2007 Posts: 23,165 Thanks: 24 Thanked 4,173 times in 3,113 posts	https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post15308612 ^ oh Lord, this is going to take a couple paragraphs to set straight. where's that pic of that Star Trek dude with his head in his hands that PeterTHX and others round here like to post? no offense to you puddy as I know you know better....it's rather thee authored 'opinion' piece from the August issue.

07-28-2018, 10:51 PM	#6071
Penton-Man Retired Hollywood Insider Member since: Apr 2007 Posts: 23,165 Thanks: 24 Thanked 4,173 times in 3,113 posts	https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post15308612 Regarding the 4th paragraph of the anecdotal occurrence presented in that ^ opinion piece from the President’s desk, I have it on good authority that these -> https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post13608677 doctors whose eyes are/were critical to their profession (not to mention, their patients’ health) did not feel any need to consult with fellow colleagues regarding serious eye strain and such and thusly did not take time off from their day jobs based on other doctor’s orders to confine themselves “to a dark room for 24 hours” and…..subsequently, have not suffered any ocular morbidities whatsoever as the result of some 20 or 30+ years of viewing films on high nit light boxes for 8 hr./day…..or more. They’d of been living every other day of their lives in total darkness. Perhaps diagnostic radiologists are supermen and superwomen?....or some ASC Presidents should become better informed before using a singular anecdotal case in order to try to critique something. I think a lot of the tone expressed in that opinion piece is actually frustration related to the politics of the industry (watch 2nd vimeo clip -> https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post14920991) rather than based upon real science of HDR and the human visual system.

07-28-2018, 11:04 PM	#6073
Penton-Man Retired Hollywood Insider Member since: Apr 2007 Posts: 23,165 Thanks: 24 Thanked 4,173 times in 3,113 posts	NBC Universal is remastering Columbo In SDR and HDR (including episodes shot by a former 2-term President of the ASC…..https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0937774/..._=nm_ov_bio_sm )