The Shining 4K UHD (1980)

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

The one continuity error that always tickled me in The Shining is the case of Danny's sandwich at the dinner table. It goes from having a few bite marks to pretty much collapsing in the space of a few seconds.

Ya it's like some kind of foreshadowing or something... in their first scene that Danny and Wendy will see some things that don't necessarily make a lot of logical sense or something. Before that Jack does the walk around to the office for the interview and there's no way that that window should be there with sunshine entering it, but ya continuity errors everywhere in a psychological horror film LOL amateur Kubrick or maybe just the G.O.A.T.

[Alister_M]

Probably my favourite intentional goof in this film is the TV in the lounge room having no visible power or antenna cables whatsoever.

[crazybeats]

Originally Posted by Christian Muth

I'm hoping that someday, the Kubrick estate allows somebody to dive into that 60 hours of raw behind-the-scenes of THE SHINING footage that Vivian shot and put together a much longer making-of doc. And then there's also that footage she shot during the making of FULL METAL JACKET that only small snippets have been released of. Seems like such a waste to just leave that footage in storage unseen.

Chris

Has it even been transferred to digital? Or is it in boxes? Apparently it is on display at one of the exhibitions and I did hear that some or all of the audio tapes for the Shining were not found at one point but who really knows. If they kept all that footage I find it hard to believe they didn't keep the audio.

[Drooch]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

The one continuity error that always tickled me in The Shining is the case of Danny's sandwich at the dinner table. It goes from having a few bite marks to pretty much collapsing in the space of a few seconds.

When you do hundreds of takes then of course continuity is going to be screwed. Scorsese has dreadful continuity (Paulie’s cigarette grows and shrinks several times in the space or seconds) but people don’t read elaborate hidden meanings into it.

[Cherokee Jack]

Originally Posted by Alister_M

Probably my favourite intentional goof in this film is the TV in the lounge room having no visible power or antenna cables whatsoever.

That shot, which is gorgeous and also spooky given the implications, is removed in the Euro cut. The removal makes for a fantastic jarring transition to Bartok's "Music for Strings..." as Danny enters his parents' room and also fits with the total excision of TV footage while the Torrances are staying at the Overlook in the Euro cut. But it's also possible it was a legit mistake by Kubrick that he took the opportunity to fix. After all, he seemed to go out of his way to remove the skeletons (a very brief scene that has little impact on pacing like most of the other cuts) that seem to bother some viewers.

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by Cherokee Jack

That shot, which is gorgeous and also spooky given the implications, is removed in the Euro cut. The removal makes for a fantastic jarring transition to Bartok's "Music for Strings..." as Danny enters his parents' room and also fits with the total excision of TV footage while the Torrances are staying at the Overlook in the Euro cut. But it's also possible it was a legit mistake by Kubrick that he took the opportunity to fix. After all, he seemed to go out of his way to remove the skeletons (a very brief scene that has little impact on pacing like most of the other cuts) that seem to bother some viewers.

The skeletons are actually quite cool when you realize they're some of the same people from the ballroom scene, including Grady. I kinda see the Euro cut as similar to the Dead Alive cut of Brain Dead. Sure it's faster paced, but I always prefer the more indulgent original versions in both cases.

[Cherokee Jack]

Originally Posted by Alister_M

The skeletons are actually quite cool when you realize they're some of the same people from the ballroom scene, including Grady. I kinda see the Euro cut as similar to the Dead Alive cut of Brain Dead. Sure it's faster paced, but I always prefer the more indulgent original versions in both cases.

Yeah, I've never minded the skeletons (I guess they're a bit hokey & cliché) and I think both versions of Danny entering his parents' room work well in their respective cuts. Those aren't scenes that have come to mind when trying to figure out why I find the American cut so flabby compared to the Euro.

Not trying to start another American cut vs Euro cut debate btw. I just find Kubrick's editing process between the two releases fascinating. The removal of the skeletons is particularly curious since I believe it's the only change made in the last half hour of the film and it's of little consequence.

[KevinStriker]

Not to tempt fate with another argument, I'll just add that my favourite edit in the Euro cut is the first one:

Danny's in front of the bathroom mirror, has his vision of the bloody elevator, camera lens is covered in blood, black screen, cut to CLOSING DAY.

EDIT: I guess it's the second. The first is cutting a minute and a half of Jack's interview.

[Cherokee Jack]

Originally Posted by KevinStriker

Not to tempt fate with another argument, I'll just add that my favourite edit in the Euro cut is the first one:

Danny's in front of the bathroom mirror, has his vision of the bloody elevator, camera lens is covered in blood, black screen, cut to CLOSING DAY.

Yes! The musical transitional between the two scenes is phenomenal as well. A lot of the edits made to the Euro cut lead to jarring transitions, for better or worse, but that one feels totally organic. Just thinking out loud but it almost makes me wonder if Kubrick decided on keeping the doctor scene late in the American cut's editing process.

[Triple Indemnity]

My god what a let down this 4k disc was, it seemed like it hadn't been remastered since the DVD days. ( It even has the 1.78 aspect ratio that the previous releases were plagued with) I give the picture quality 3/5. Was a MAJOR disappointment for me, since the movie itself is brilliant.

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by Triple Indemnity

My god what a let down this 4k disc was, it seemed like it hadn't been remastered since the DVD days. ( It even has the 1.78 aspect ratio that the previous releases were plagued with) I give the picture quality 3/5. Was a MAJOR disappointment for me, since the movie itself is brilliant.

Considering Kubrick wanted the home video releases of his later films to fill the screen, hence the protection of the frame for 1.33:1 open matte, framing it at 16:9 makes perfect sense. At the end of the day you're just seeing an additional 1 or 2 cm of image at the top and bottom of the screen, it's not like they've hacked the sides off a 2.39:1 frame.

[Zombie Dude]

Originally Posted by Triple Indemnity

My god what a let down this 4k disc was, it seemed like it hadn't been remastered since the DVD days. ( It even has the 1.78 aspect ratio that the previous releases were plagued with) I give the picture quality 3/5. Was a MAJOR disappointment for me, since the movie itself is brilliant.

Don't know what you watched but my 4k copy looks phenomenal.

[KevinStriker]

He's said something similar in the Jaws 4K thread, might just be stirring sh!t.

I'm not sure it's entirely fair to expect a world more detail than we already have from a movie shot open-matte with 18mm lenses in 1979.
However, it does a helluvalot to... correct the previous Blu-ray.

[bleakassassin]

Originally Posted by Triple Indemnity

My god what a let down this 4k disc was, it seemed like it hadn't been remastered since the DVD days. ( It even has the 1.78 aspect ratio that the previous releases were plagued with) I give the picture quality 3/5. Was a MAJOR disappointment for me, since the movie itself is brilliant.

Between this and Jaws, you seem to be on a roll with giving generally-praised transfers pretty scathing reviews. Interesting...

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by Triple Indemnity

My god what a let down this 4k disc was, it seemed like it hadn't been remastered since the DVD days. ( It even has the 1.78 aspect ratio that the previous releases were plagued with) I give the picture quality 3/5. Was a MAJOR disappointment for me, since the movie itself is brilliant.

Are you in the right thread/institution? I've watched the T.V. airing, have the DVD, BR, and 4K. The only thing the DVD has on this is the Mono track and i can handle either 5.1 or Mono with the Shining.

Check yourself, because you are more cracked up than me...and I don't know how that is even possible. God help you.

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by KevinStriker

He's said something similar in the Jaws 4K thread, might just be stirring sh!t.

I'm not sure it's entirely fair to expect a world more detail than we already have from a movie shot open-matte with 18mm lenses in 1979.
However, it does a helluvalot to... correct the previous Blu-ray.

Yeah, I suspect ridiculously unrealistic expectations may also be at play. People who expect something from 40 years ago to look like it was shot yesterday could do with being... corrected, too.

[Drooch]

Is Jack racist?

He seems pretty chill with Hallorann, but when Grady shows up he warns him of a ‘ni**er cook’ and Jack seems pretty horrified at the concept.

Is Grady’s racism a projection of Jack’s, or is Grady just a racist ghost?

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by Drooch

Is Jack racist?

He seems pretty chill with Hallorann, but when Grady shows up he warns him of a ‘ni**er cook’ and Jack seems pretty horrified at the concept.

Is Grady’s racism a projection of Jack’s, or is Grady just a racist ghost?

Grady is a projection of the hotel, he's a previous victim just like Jack. I don't even think Grady is necessarily the ghost of the former caretaker, more like something far older and fouler. In the book, the entity that possesses Jack leaves his body after he dies and continues to torment Danny as he's leaving. It's more likely that Grady was possessed by the exact same entity, which is using his appearance as an avatar to communicate with Jack while simultaneously taking over his mind.

[Drooch]

Originally Posted by Alister_M

Grady is a projection of the hotel, he's a previous victim just like Jack. I don't even think Grady is necessarily the ghost of the former caretaker, more like something far older and fouler. In the book, the entity that possesses Jack leaves his body after he dies and continues to torment Danny as he's leaving. It's more likely that Grady was possessed by the exact same entity, which is using his appearance as an avatar to communicate with Jack while simultaneously taking over his mind.

So then is the hotel pandering to Jack’s internal racism and, if not, why does it conjure an apparition that refers to Hallorann as ‘a nig**r cook’?

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by Drooch

So then is the hotel pandering to Jack’s internal racism and, if not, why does it conjure an apparition that refers to Hallorann as ‘a nig**r cook’?

Cause it was in the book.