The Shining 4K UHD (1980)

[Drooch]

Originally Posted by Alister_M

TBH I think the mystery and inconclusiveness is a big part of what makes this one so great. Nothing's ever spelled out too clearly. As for the racism, it's a pretty well known fact that King really hates it with a passion, so it's a common tool he uses to direct any sympathy away from the bad characters.

Maybe that’s why King let Hallorann live. Kubrick on the other hand…

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by Drooch

Maybe that’s why King let Hallorann live. Kubrick on the other hand…

Well, it's a horror movie. No one's going to take it seriously unless there's at least one on-screen murder.

[KevinStriker]

It's also a wonderfully trolling moment from Kubrick to readers of the novel.
I mean, the film is way too iconic now, but without Halloran, even somebody in 1980 who read the book likely won't anticipate where the climax of the film will end up.

[johnnyringo7]

Originally Posted by bleakassassin

Between this and Jaws, you seem to be on a roll with giving generally-praised transfers pretty scathing reviews. Interesting...

Maybe he has T2, Bourne and 3:10 to Yuma as reference transfers. Dude lives in a parallel universe.

[KubrickKurasawa]

The Hotel IS full of HATE. Pretty obvious stuff guys.

[Show spoiler]

It's poster even has the line "The Tide of Terror that Swept America is Here." That could reference any violence you can think of be it wars WW2, Civil War, American Indian Wars etc.

[Drooch]

Originally Posted by Alister_M

Well, it's a horror movie. No one's going to take it seriously unless there's at least one on-screen murder.

Does Jack murder anyone in the novel?

[KevinStriker]

Originally Posted by Drooch

Does Jack murder anyone in the novel?

Darn, you edited before I could answer

[spiltmilk]

Originally Posted by Alister_M

Considering Kubrick wanted the home video releases of his later films to fill the screen, hence the protection of the frame for 1.33:1 open matte, framing it at 16:9 makes perfect sense. At the end of the day you're just seeing an additional 1 or 2 cm of image at the top and bottom of the screen, it's not like they've hacked the sides off a 2.39:1 frame.

Actually, they have hacked the sides off rather than including more of the image on the top and bottom (from 1.85:1 to 1.78:1). That’s the problem with the framing. However the rest of the restoration is great (no more pink tennis ball), so I’m not sure what problems he could find apart from the framing.

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by spiltmilk

Actually, they have hacked the sides off rather than including more of the image on the top and bottom (from 1.85:1 to 1.78:1). That’s the problem with the framing. However the rest of the restoration is great (no more pink tennis ball), so I’m not sure what problems he could find apart from the framing.

I suppose that probably makes the vertical framing closer to the theatrical matting though, which isn't such a bad thing. It's not like there's anything you're going to notice missing, unlike a cropped transfer of an anamorphic film.

[KevinStriker]

Originally Posted by spiltmilk

Actually, they have hacked the sides off rather than including more of the image on the top and bottom (from 1.85:1 to 1.78:1). That’s the problem with the framing. However the rest of the restoration is great (no more pink tennis ball), so I’m not sure what problems he could find apart from the framing.

So now The Shining has covered both bases of fitting an ideally 1.85:1 frame in a 1.78:1 screen with no black bars. But even so, the 4K still shows more information on the left and right edges than seeing the film open matte.

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...134510&i=2&l=0

https://i.imgur.com/87aloJL.png

[spiltmilk]

Originally Posted by Alister_M

I suppose that probably makes the vertical framing closer to the theatrical matting though, which isn't such a bad thing. It's not like there's anything you're going to notice missing, unlike a cropped transfer of an anamorphic film.

Yes no problem with the vertical framing, but in my opinion it messes with the sometimes meticulous framing on the sides. But you can form your own opinion by comparing the screenshots with the old blu ray.

[spiltmilk]

Originally Posted by KevinStriker

So now The Shining has covered both bases of fitting an ideally 1.85:1 frame in a 1.78:1 screen with no black bars. But even so, the 4K still shows more information on the left and right edges than seeing the film open matte.

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...134510&i=2&l=0

https://i.imgur.com/87aloJL.png

No there’s less information on both the remastered blu ray and 4K (same transfer) compared to the old blu ray. On that screenshot as well as the others.

[KubrickKurasawa]

delete

[KevinStriker]

Originally Posted by spiltmilk

No there’s less information on both the remastered blu ray and 4K (same transfer) compared to the old blu ray. On that screenshot as well as the others.

Forgive me if I don't know what your objection is, because I don't deny this.
My thoughts are largely the same as Alister's.

The screenshots only mean to illustrate that the 4K's framing isn't hiding all that much, and the DVD shows even less horizontal info.

[spiltmilk]

Originally Posted by KevinStriker

Forgive me if I don't know what your objection is, because I don't deny this.
My thoughts are largely the same as Alister's.

The screenshots only mean to illustrate that the 4K's framing isn't hiding all that much, and the DVD shows even less horizontal info.

Ok! I thought you meant that the 4K/remastered blu ray had more information on the sides than the old blu ray. I agree that the difference isn’t huge, it still bothers me, especially on some shots, but others are not bothered (that’s why I recommended looking at the caps).

Open matte just means more information on the top/bottom so I didn’t know you referred to the dvd, which indeed has even less info on the sides. In agreement then.

[Eye Candy]

Racism and the KKK was having quite a resurgence by the time of the 1920's. The Hotel itself was racist, as the "time" was now the 1920's. See the date on the picture where Jack's place in the hotel is...

[crutzulee]

While many will find the discussion of race and racism tiresome, I find it endlessly fascinating. Context is everything. Looking back on my life I can't help but chuckle over the number of times I've been called a n****r and told to "go back to where I came from" by people who were obviously NOT born in my home and native land. Even funnier is the number of times my white children have admonished me over the years with cries of "daddy.. you can't say that... THAT'S RACIST/HOMOPHOBIC/MYSOGINISTIC...
Grady is not racist in the 1920s, because racism didn't exist in his time. He is racist in the 1980s as his use of the n word inspires Jack's reaction. Jack is not racist in the 1980s but he surely is in 2021..
Oh and this disc along with the 4K of The Deerhunter are my pride and joy for showing off my HT... They literally bring me to tears when I pop them in and get sucked into hours of movie magic.

[Drooch]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

While many will find the discussion of race and racism tiresome, I find it endlessly fascinating. Context is everything. Looking back on my life I can't help but chuckle over the number of times I've been called a n****r and told to "go back to where I came from" by people who were obviously NOT born in my home and native land. Even funnier is the number of times my white children have admonished me over the years with cries of "daddy.. you can't say that... THAT'S RACIST/HOMOPHOBIC/MYSOGINISTIC...
Grady is not racist in the 1920s, because racism didn't exist in his time. He is racist in the 1980s as his use of the n word inspires Jack's reaction. Jack is not racist in the 1980s but he surely is in 2021..
Oh and this disc along with the 4K of The Deerhunter are my pride and joy for showing off my HT... They literally bring me to tears when I pop them in and get sucked into hours of movie magic.

Certainly wokists trying to find racism in the most innocuous places so they can self-pleasure by cancelling someone is tedious as all hell, but I think the question of Jack’s racism is legit.

Especially since Grady may well be a projection of Jack’s crumbling mind (albeit energised by the hotel’s power), then there’s ‘white man’s burden’, and we can’t be sure if ‘a nig**r?’ means:

a) Grady dude WTF that word’s not cool, or

b) The outside party is a nig**r? Just my fuc**ng luck

Grady’s a manipulative ghost-butler if ever there was one, and I suspect he knew what he was doing adding that detail about Jack’s approaching antagonist.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Drooch

Grady’s a manipulative ghost-butler if ever there was one, and I suspect he knew what he was doing adding that detail about Jack’s approaching antagonist.

If they ever make a third Shining movie they should call it Ghost-Butler. The theme song would be: “If there’s something strange in your hotel room, who shouldn’t you call? Ghost-Butler!”

[Drooch]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

If they ever make a third Shining movie they should call it Ghost-Butler. The theme song would be: “If there’s something strange in your hotel room, who shouldn’t you call? Ghost-Butler!”

Yeah, and Blowbear can be one of the ghosts Grady has to ‘bust’. He’d be this series’ equivalent of Slimer.