Large Format/"Premium" Theaters (IMAX 15/70, Digital IMAX, XD, ETX, RPX, etc.)

[jag2007]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

No, what that means is that it translates into currently supporting 4K stereo 3D frame rates of 30 fps, as I’ve already mentioned, and up to 120 fps for 2K content…as demoed at the last GSCA conference.

Woah!!!! Penton where ya been hope to see you more often!

[joeydrunk]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

The IMAX thing does bring up an interesting side note, now that IMAX has a contract with Barco, do you know if they have any intention to install any dual Barco 4K projectors at any of their digital IMAX venues?

It would seem the logical/honorable thing to do in order to carry on the real IMAX (15/70) tradition for BIG PICTURE-BIG RESOLUTION digital 3D exhibition.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

How so? From whom?

Not to burst your bubble but that does not mean that The Hobbit was mastered in 4K. Because it wasn’t.

Even if the IMAX theaters you listed are extraordinarily unique in that they are now using two synchronized 4K projectors (instead of thee old Christie 2K set-up) and have two IMBs capable of streaming 500 Mbps per projector through a dual Gigabit Ethernet interface easily capable of driving 48 fps/eye, the original DSM has 2K native resolution…. so I’m told by someone related to the production as of Dec. 11, 2012, 10:15 P.M. local Pacific time, at approximately the time of this post.

But, ya never know, perhaps you are better informed.
Lurkers from other sites are welcome to use the above information without giving due credit of course.

Excuse me if im reluctant to believe you, you could be 100% correct, im just not sure. i take everything everyone says on these forums with a grain of salt and ive had allot of 20-40,000 posters who are experts in their field be wrong. its not so much they are incorrect as innacurate. they could be 100% correct about what they are talking about but the 2 main reasons they are not correct about the hobbit tech specs is because technology changes so quickly, you have to know what you are talking about for this movie in particular not a "theater expert" or a "projector expert" the other problem with finding out about this stuff is the information is very hard to come by and has barely been leaking out. plus companys (imax, regal, barco,dolby etc.) dont post the information in general. So can you please tell me where you have found out for sure (what this person does and how it related to the production)that no 4k master has been made? Is there any link/website/whitepaper/ any info you know of? I hope he/you are wrong but if 2k up converted on a/2 4k christie/barco/sony projectors would look very good. I also beleive imax hfr 3d( the 30 in the US) have updated the theaters to 2 4k barcos.(not positive yet, I know for sure some have updated to one barco 4k) I have emails out to a bunch of companys to get the final word on this as well as to find out if atmos will be playing on any of them. its such a darn mess! Thank you very much for this information by the way. all I want for xmas is a non imax viewing of the 3d hfr with a 4k master on a 4k projector with atmos.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by joeydrunk

Excuse me if im reluctant to believe you, you could be 100% correct, im just not sure. i take everything everyone says on these forums with a grain of salt and ive had allot of 20-40,000 posters who are experts in their field be wrong. its not so much they are incorrect as innacurate. they could be 100% correct about what they are talking about but the 2 main reasons they are not correct about the hobbit tech specs is because technology changes so quickly, you have to know what you are talking about for this movie in particular not a "theater expert" or a "projector expert" the other problem with finding out about this stuff is the information is very hard to come by and has barely been leaking out. plus companys (imax, regal, barco,dolby etc.) dont post the information in general. So can you please tell me where you have found out for sure (what this person does and how it related to the production)that no 4k master has been made? Is there any link/website/whitepaper/ any info you know of? I hope he/you are wrong but if 2k up converted on a/2 4k christie/barco/sony projectors would look very good. I also beleive imax hfr 3d( the 30 in the US) have updated the theaters to 2 4k barcos.(not positive yet, I know for sure some have updated to one barco 4k) I have emails out to a bunch of companys to get the final word on this as well as to find out if atmos will be playing on any of them. its such a darn mess! Thank you very much for this information by the way. all I want for xmas is a non imax viewing of the 3d hfr with a 4k master on a 4k projector with atmos.

Here are the technical specs that I have received at my cinema:

Warner Bros.
Technicolor Digital Cinema
2D/3D, 24fps
Includes two 3D versions: 4.5ftL (standard light level) and 7ftL (high light level)
2048 x 858 (2K scope)
913 GB (total package size)
Run Time: 2:49:25
Credits Start: 2:39:20 (unverified)
5.1/7.1 Audio

Trailers (not on drive; it says to get them from the Trailers by Deluxe drive):
"Beautiful Creatures" #2
"Jack the Giant Killer" #2
"Pacific Rim" #1
"Man of Steel" #2 (2D/3D)

The paperwork lists the numerous, mostly color-coded drives (signified by the stripe of color on the drive) being sent out, depending on what version you're showing:

1.) Red - 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL & 7ftL (what we got)
2.) Pink - 3D HFR (High Frame Rate, 48fps) 4.5ftL
3.) Orange - 3D HFR 7ftL
4.) Yellow - French Dub 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL
5.) Green - French Dub 3D HFR 4.5ftL
6.) Blue - Spanish Dub 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL
7.) Purple - Spanish Sub 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL
8.) IMAX 3D 24fps & HFR


PLEASE for the love of god, there is no 4K 3D drive of this movie.

[joeydrunk]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

IMAX Digital 3D 48fps is 2K. There is currently no such thing as 4K 3D 48fps.

what do you mean? there is such thing as 4k 3d hfr. are you talking in general, for the master of this movie, or for projectors. becuase in general there is 4k 3d hfr, and all big 4 of projector manufacturers can do 4k 3d hfr and the master of the hobbit being in 4k i still have not found definitive proof on. i dont think there is still a limitation in the imb or the dci spec or bandwidth problems on select few.

also, oesnt the 4k 3d projector have to show a 2d version at 48 or 96 fps- so what is the problem with 4k 3d 48fps. i believe these 58 theaters are using a 4k projector with 3d hfr.(still not sure about the 4k master) are you just talking about the imb having trouble decoding/storing that much space becuase its 3d and 4k or something else? you must be talking about the master because the projectors can do 3d 4k hfr, and that leaves the dci spec and the bandwidth to from the server to the imb and the storage deoding of the imb which i believed has been worked out in these theaters. does anyone know the dci standards or the normal sony imb or the ones they use for christie/barco systems?

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by joeydrunk

are you talking about the master being 4k or the projector showing it, doesnt the 4k 3d projector have to show a 2d version at 48 or 96 fps- so what is the problem with 4k 3d 48fps. i believe these 58 theaters are using a 4k projector with 3d hfr.(still not sure about the 4k master) are you just talking about the imb having trouble decoding/storing that much space becuase its 3d and 4k or something else?

I am talking about the projector, there is no projector that can show 4K HFR. There are projectors that can show 4K 2D at 24 fps. But currently there has never been a film released in 4K 3D at 24 fps.....lets not even begin to discuss 4K 3D at 48 fps.

[victortubeman]

DI is 2k ,vfx are 2k.Versions of film below.
Page master beat me....



posted 12-10-2012 02:11 PM Central (GMT -6:00) *(7:11 AM Local) *** ** * ** * * **
DCP:

Warner Bros.
Technicolor Digital Cinema
2D/3D, 24fps
Includes two 3D versions: 4.5ftL (standard light level) and 7ftL (high light level)
2048 x 858 (2K scope)
913 GB (total package size)
Run Time: 2:49:25
Credits Start: 2:39:20 (unverified)
5.1/7.1 Audio

Trailers (not on drive; it says to get them from the Trailers by Deluxe drive):
"Beautiful Creatures" #2
"Jack the Giant Killer" #2
"Pacific Rim" #1
"Man of Steel" #2 (2D/3D)

The paperwork lists the numerous, mostly color-coded drives (signified by the stripe of color on the drive) being sent out, depending on what version you're showing:

1.) Red - 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL & 7ftL (what we got)
2.) Pink - 3D HFR (High Frame Rate, 48fps) 4.5ftL
3.) Orange - 3D HFR 7ftL
4.) Yellow - French Dub 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL
5.) Green - French Dub 3D HFR 4.5ftL
6.) Blue - Spanish Dub 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL
7.) Purple - Spanish Sub 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL
8.) IMAX 3D 24fps & HFR

Technicolor is shipping all of these except for the IMAX, which IMAX will ship. Red, Pink and Orange also have 7.1 audio. The HFR versions can't be ingested on an LMS; they must be ingested directly to the screen server.

[joeydrunk]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Here are the technical specs that I have received at my cinema:

Warner Bros.
Technicolor Digital Cinema
2D/3D, 24fps
Includes two 3D versions: 4.5ftL (standard light level) and 7ftL (high light level)
2048 x 858 (2K scope)
913 GB (total package size)
Run Time: 2:49:25
Credits Start: 2:39:20 (unverified)
5.1/7.1 Audio

Trailers (not on drive; it says to get them from the Trailers by Deluxe drive):
"Beautiful Creatures" #2
"Jack the Giant Killer" #2
"Pacific Rim" #1
"Man of Steel" #2 (2D/3D)

The paperwork lists the numerous, mostly color-coded drives (signified by the stripe of color on the drive) being sent out, depending on what version you're showing:

1.) Red - 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL & 7ftL (what we got)
2.) Pink - 3D HFR (High Frame Rate, 48fps) 4.5ftL
3.) Orange - 3D HFR 7ftL
4.) Yellow - French Dub 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL
5.) Green - French Dub 3D HFR 4.5ftL
6.) Blue - Spanish Dub 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL
7.) Purple - Spanish Sub 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL
8.) IMAX 3D 24fps & HFR


PLEASE for the love of god, there is no 4K 3D drive of this movie.

so wich one is the one that the imax hfr 3d theatres get that is playing in 58 worldwide, that is suposedly playing it at 4k or an upres 2k?

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by joeydrunk

wich one is the one that the imax hfr 3d theatres get that is playing in 58 worldwide?

The one will be IMAX 3D 2K 48 fps. .................................................. ..

[joeydrunk]

Originally Posted by victortubeman

DI is 2k ,vfx are 2k.Versions of film below.
Page master beat me....



posted 12-10-2012 02:11 PM Central (GMT -6:00) *(7:11 AM Local) *** ** * ** * * **
DCP:

Warner Bros.
Technicolor Digital Cinema
2D/3D, 24fps
Includes two 3D versions: 4.5ftL (standard light level) and 7ftL (high light level)
2048 x 858 (2K scope)
913 GB (total package size)
Run Time: 2:49:25
Credits Start: 2:39:20 (unverified)
5.1/7.1 Audio

Trailers (not on drive; it says to get them from the Trailers by Deluxe drive):
"Beautiful Creatures" #2
"Jack the Giant Killer" #2
"Pacific Rim" #1
"Man of Steel" #2 (2D/3D)

The paperwork lists the numerous, mostly color-coded drives (signified by the stripe of color on the drive) being sent out, depending on what version you're showing:

1.) Red - 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL & 7ftL (what we got)
2.) Pink - 3D HFR (High Frame Rate, 48fps) 4.5ftL
3.) Orange - 3D HFR 7ftL
4.) Yellow - French Dub 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL
5.) Green - French Dub 3D HFR 4.5ftL
6.) Blue - Spanish Dub 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL
7.) Purple - Spanish Sub 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL
8.) IMAX 3D 24fps & HFR

Technicolor is shipping all of these except for the IMAX, which IMAX will ship. Red, Pink and Orange also have 7.1 audio. The HFR versions can't be ingested on an LMS; they must be ingested directly to the screen server.

Originally Posted by pagemaster

The one will be IMAX 3D 2K 48 fps. #8

.Thankyou guys very much for the info, Ive been drowning in a plethora of conflicting information from "reliable sources", sorry if i seem like Im unbelieving but that is why and you cant just believe the first thing or second or third....you read either, so thanks, im going to take this info and research it further.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by joeydrunk

, im going to take this info and research it further.

Just so you know, it is not possible to project 4K in 3D at 48 fps.

[joeydrunk]

Originally Posted by victortubeman

DI is 2k ,vfx are 2k.Versions of film below.
Page master beat me....



posted 12-10-2012 02:11 PM Central (GMT -6:00) *(7:11 AM Local) *** ** * ** * * **
DCP:

Warner Bros.
Technicolor Digital Cinema
2D/3D, 24fps
Includes two 3D versions: 4.5ftL (standard light level) and 7ftL (high light level)
2048 x 858 (2K scope)
913 GB (total package size)
Run Time: 2:49:25
Credits Start: 2:39:20 (unverified)
5.1/7.1 Audio

Trailers (not on drive; it says to get them from the Trailers by Deluxe drive):
"Beautiful Creatures" #2
"Jack the Giant Killer" #2
"Pacific Rim" #1
"Man of Steel" #2 (2D/3D)

The paperwork lists the numerous, mostly color-coded drives (signified by the stripe of color on the drive) being sent out, depending on what version you're showing:

1.) Red - 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL & 7ftL (what we got)
2.) Pink - 3D HFR (High Frame Rate, 48fps) 4.5ftL
3.) Orange - 3D HFR 7ftL
4.) Yellow - French Dub 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL
5.) Green - French Dub 3D HFR 4.5ftL
6.) Blue - Spanish Dub 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL
7.) Purple - Spanish Sub 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL
8.) IMAX 3D 24fps & HFR

Technicolor is shipping all of these except for the IMAX, which IMAX will ship. Red, Pink and Orange also have 7.1 audio. The HFR versions can't be ingested on an LMS; they must be ingested directly to the screen server.

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Here are the technical specs that I have received at my cinema:

Warner Bros.
Technicolor Digital Cinema
2D/3D, 24fps
Includes two 3D versions: 4.5ftL (standard light level) and 7ftL (high light level)
2048 x 858 (2K scope)
913 GB (total package size)
Run Time: 2:49:25
Credits Start: 2:39:20 (unverified)
5.1/7.1 Audio

Trailers (not on drive; it says to get them from the Trailers by Deluxe drive):
"Beautiful Creatures" #2
"Jack the Giant Killer" #2
"Pacific Rim" #1
"Man of Steel" #2 (2D/3D)

The paperwork lists the numerous, mostly color-coded drives (signified by the stripe of color on the drive) being sent out, depending on what version you're showing:

1.) Red - 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL & 7ftL (what we got)
2.) Pink - 3D HFR (High Frame Rate, 48fps) 4.5ftL
3.) Orange - 3D HFR 7ftL
4.) Yellow - French Dub 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL
5.) Green - French Dub 3D HFR 4.5ftL
6.) Blue - Spanish Dub 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL
7.) Purple - Spanish Sub 2D/3D 24fps Combo, 4.5ftL
8.) IMAX 3D 24fps & HFR


PLEASE for the love of god, there is no 4K 3D drive of this movie.

why did you add #8 after you read my question about that it was missing, there isnt even a color code on it, was it even on the information you originally got this from, if so then why did you add it after me posting my question ststing that it was missing.....just seems kind of fishy,

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by joeydrunk

why did you add #8 after you read my question about that it was missing, there isnt even a color code on it, was it even on the information you originally got this from, if so then why did you add it after me posting my question ststing that it was missing.....just seems kind of fishy,

Now I took the #8 off....

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I am not sure you know what you are really talking about. But okay.

lol, well that kind of attitude really isn’t going get you a Christmas card from me, that’s for sure.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by jag2007

Woah!!!! Penton where ya been hope to see you more often!

In essence, it’s been a roller coaster ride …
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ng#post6535183

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by joeydrunk

Excuse me if im reluctant to believe you, you could be 100% correct, im just not sure....

Well, I stand by the accuracy of what I’ve said in 979 pages here -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=31882

on the order of 99.9 % of the time if that gives you some reassurance. But, nevertheless, you’re not going to get me to tell you my source associated with that production, so good luck with that. I don’t remember anyone asking me, who from SPE told me that the OCN of Lawrence of Arabia was being scanned at 8K, long before it hit the internet waves.

Look, you don’t need to have any inside source, you don’t need to know anything about projectors, all you need to know is a little bit about 3D 4K post production and do a little cold, calculating deductive reasoning…
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...rs#post6867887

My friend, the motion picture was mastered in 2K…and quickly looking back at your posts in this thread, I believe that was your original query after 42021 chimed in and is the most significant issue here.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

PLEASE for the love of god, there is no 4K 3D drive of this movie.

I don't think God should have any involvement in this but...correct.

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, I stand by the accuracy of what I’ve said in 979 pages here -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=31882

on the order of 99.9 % of the time if that gives you some reassurance. But, nevertheless, you’re not going to get me to tell you my source associated with that production, so good luck with that. I don’t remember anyone asking me, who from SPE told me that the OCN of Lawrence of Arabia was being scanned at 8K, long before it hit the internet waves.

Look, you don’t need to have any inside source, you don’t need to know anything about projectors, all you need to know is a little bit about 3D 4K post production and do a little cold, calculating deductive reasoning…
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...rs#post6867887

My friend, the motion picture was mastered in 2K…and quickly looking back at your posts in this thread, I believe that was your original query after 42021 chimed in and is the most significant issue here.

It must be amusing to you to see the vomit of tech specs followed by wildly inaccurate arguments.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I am talking about the projector, there is no projector that can show 4K HFR. There are projectors that can show 4K 2D at 24 fps.

The later sentence is true.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I am talking about the projector, there is no projector that can show 4K HFR.

In a strict sense, no, not one projector as in "the projector' but a 2 projector system should be capable of 48fps, with some work, as the Qube can do 4K 3D @ up to 30 fps.

I can’t give you a public link to in-house 4K 3D 48 fps testing from NHK or Sony, but with the Fraunhofer Institute, you may be able to find the particulars concerning a 3D HFR demo they did at the last NAB, if you can accept the Arri as an ‘almost 4K’ camera. Heck, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo was shot with Red Epics but only 3600x1500 made up the actual frame and that’s considered *4K mastered* by the post community.

Otherwise, munch on this my skeptical friend…. http://qubecinema.com/events/news/20...-giant-screens

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by blu-ray_girl_fan

It must be amusing to you to see the vomit of tech specs followed by wildly inaccurate arguments.

Honestly, I’m waiting for one of the projectionists here to post the Warner Brothers Hobbit test which was sent out earlier, because it uses a unique data transfer rate of 450 and once I hear about that...

I’ll be ready for bed.