"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Post Prod

Right now it's a 50/50 roll. I'll just hold onto my dice for a little while longer.

In my experience, given Ken's past reviews, I think that he will take his time and do a thorough review of the set and will answer any follow-up questions in an expeditious manner (particularly in regards to the 'color screenshot issues') and the Digital Cinema presentation which is crucial to the topic (if indeed he had the opportunity to see it on Tues. night) without avoiding the subject or providing vague responses with semantics.

And I can assure you that he receives no 'perks' directly or indirectly in terms of access to studio people for things such as Insider news, pre-announcement rumors, etc. What he sees he will report on....in detail, and let the chips fall where they may. He may not know the *answer* to all peoples' questions in that thread but he will not avoid them nor gloss over them with generalizations and semantic spin. Unlike other reviewers on the net over the course of years, I have seen no evidence to suggest he *soft-balls* the Burbank studios' Blu-ray releases.

I’ve been alerted to the fact that some “rush job” review(s) for LOTR EE have appeared on the internet on some websites that take in a proportion of the Blu-ray sale - if you order through them.

If this is true….I ask why? because I hadn’t thought that the item is shipping yet and if it has….are consumers thinking that if they order right now, they can lock-in some great pre-order price?

Why not do a thorough review…still in plenty of time before the item ships from your favorite Blu-ray retailer.
Am I missing something here? I’m not in marketing….more on the tech side of things as you’ve probably guessed by now but, I’m rather confused on this reported aborted review process.

I hope the reviewers don’t do that with ‘Lawrence’…i.e. not watch the whole Blu-ray movie……red sand and all.


^doctorossi, I kid…I kid.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Post Prod

Other than of course letting people know the difference between green and cyan.

I posted this hue test here back in 2009 and I believe that everyone that took the test who reads and posts on this thread (despite not being professional digital colorists) did pretty damn good …

http://www.xrite.com/custom_page.aspx?PageID=77

but for one person ---


ME.


P.S.
Keep in mind you have to consider I was drunk and on Vicodin 500 mg. and recovering from shoulder surgery at the time.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I posted this hue test here back in 2009 and I believe that everyone that took the test who reads and posts on this thread (despite not being professional digital colorists) did pretty damn good …

http://www.xrite.com/worldwide.aspx

but for one person ---


ME.


P.S.
Keep in mind you have to consider I was drunk and on Vicodin 500 mg. and recovering from shoulder surgery at the time.

OK, I'm blind now!
Feels like I've been reading thedigitbits website for 12hrs straight with the black backdrop! I like that test though, very neat!

Edit: Not sure if this is good, but I scored an 8. Now where's the vicodin?

[Post Prod]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

P.S.
Keep in mind you have to consider I was drunk and on Vicodin 500 mg. and recovering from shoulder surgery at the time.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Oh yes they did.

HD DVD was clearly inferior from conception and they used FUD to cover for Toshiba's patent grab.

Actually, it was all the HD-DVD FUD on the other site that convinced me that Blu-ray would win. I figured it they needed to lie (Amir) or mislead that much, then they would probably lose (not to mention it was the "weaker" of the 2 formats).

Sorry to chime in - but I'm so glad blu-ray won. It's nice that whole thing is over.

[DenonCI]

Originally Posted by DenonCI

I still think Vancouver is the better team and they squeak out a nail-biter in Canada tonight.

Picked that one wrong

[Dennis M]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

In my experience, given Ken's past reviews, I think that he will take his time and do a thorough review of the set and will answer any follow-up questions in an expeditious manner (particularly in regards to the 'color screenshot issues') and the Digital Cinema presentation which is crucial to the topic (if indeed he had the opportunity to see it on Tues. night) without avoiding the subject or providing vague responses with semantics.

Ken has posted his review. It's very balanced and professional.

Nicely done Ken.

A good point is brought up in the review. Peter Jackson has always stated that the EEs are not the directors cut (theatrical Ed.) but a supplemental piece. If that is the case can we really expect them not to be altered?

Personally, I would prefer that the original timing not be changed. It changes the context of the piece at a emotional level. Adding or removing content is acceptable, again because this is an alternative piece by nature.

Will this stop me from buy this edition,.......probably not. But it does give me pause.

This really brings us back to an old debate.

When directors revisit their work, what are acceptable changes?

Where is the line drawn?

I have my opinions on this topic.

But am also interested in what everyone else here thinks about the subject.

[Dennis M]

Originally Posted by DenonCI

Picked that one wrong

I supported Boston. Let me tell you I took quite a bit of heat for it, being that I'm in Toronto.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Dennis M

Will this stop me from buy this edition,.......probably not. But it does give me pause.

I still think the apparent difference between the BD and the new theatrical presentation is indicating a failure somewhere in the chain. It's just my speculation, but I really suspect that the new theatrical timing represents the changes that Jackson and Lesnie actually intended to make and the BD does not.

I expect we're going to have to see a statement from one or both of them soon.

[DenonCI]

Originally Posted by Dennis M

I supported Boston. Let me tell you I took quite a bit of heat for it, being that I'm in Toronto.

I bet you did! Although Boston was one of the original six and a lot of hockey fans were pulling for them, despite their country of origin. My horse wasn't in the race and I was just hoping for a good series and we certainly got that!

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

I still think the apparent difference between the BD and the new theatrical presentation is indicating a failure somewhere in the chain. It's just my speculation, but I really suspect that the new theatrical timing represents the changes that Jackson and Lesnie actually intended to make and the BD does not.

I expect we're going to have to see a statement from one or both of them soon.

I totally agree. I look at it like this: I ordered my set, if/when PJ and/or AL make a statement(one would think they'd have to at this point) it will either be confirming the change(okay) OR ripping it(highly unlikely) and I'm sure there will be a disc exchange program set up.
On that note, it seems like we are overdue for a good disc exchange program...it's been awhile

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by rickah88

....On that note, it seems like we are overdue for a good disc exchange program...it's been awhile

If circulated around the studio, for that matter, ANY studio for any movie, I can not tell you how much your statement just induced heartburn and/or diarrhea in just about every customer service employee sitting in their cubicle at work right now.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

If circulated around the studio, for that matter, ANY studio for any movie, I can not tell you how much your statement just induced heartburn and/or diarrhea in just about every customer service employee sitting in their cubicle at work right now.

YouTube - ‪Apologies (Fish called...)‬‏

[Dennis M]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

I still think the apparent difference between the BD and the new theatrical presentation is indicating a failure somewhere in the chain. It's just my speculation, but I really suspect that the new theatrical timing represents the changes that Jackson and Lesnie actually intended to make and the BD does not.

I expect we're going to have to see a statement from one or both of them soon.

Hopefully we do get a statement soon clarifying the situation one way or the other.

Oddly enough I'm hoping that you are right that it is a processing failure, and not a colour timing change. Wow, can't that believing I'm saying this.
In such a case there is the possibility of corrective action.

[Josh]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

If circulated around the studio, for that matter, ANY studio for any movie, I can not tell you how much your statement just induced heartburn and/or diarrhea in just about every customer service employee sitting in their cubicle at work right now.

My guess is that a lot of the heartburn and cost could be mitigated by simply injecting an enduser into the approval process. Too many times have I seen video releases that are botched because someone - who wasn't intimately familiar with the film - said it was ready for print. I'm not sure what the cost would be, but to pay to have one fanboy review the release prior to going to print shouldn't be nearly as much as a wide scale exchange program. The fanboy, while overly critical, would point out said variance and allow the studio to either correct or address them prior to release. That seems the best way to deal with this nasty business of capture comparisons.

[Dennis M]

Originally Posted by rickah88

I totally agree. I look at it like this: I ordered my set, if/when PJ and/or AL make a statement(one would think they'd have to at this point) it will either be confirming the change(okay) OR ripping it(highly unlikely) and I'm sure there will be a disc exchange program set up.
On that note, it seems like we are overdue for a good disc exchange program...it's been awhile

If it comes to that.

I have to give credit to the studios for doing disc exchange programs. In the past that would not have been done. You would just have to repurchase the product, if the issue got corrected in the next release.

It shows that they care about the their products.

[Dennis M]

Originally Posted by DenonCI

I bet you did! Although Boston was one of the original six and a lot of hockey fans were pulling for them, despite their country of origin. My horse wasn't in the race and I was just hoping for a good series and we certainly got that!

Boy was it ever a good series. I think the game changer was the hit on Horton. That amp'd up Boston, and Vancouver lost control of the series after.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Dennis M

Boy was it ever a good series. I think the game changer was the hit on Horton. That amp'd up Boston, and Vancouver lost control of the series after.

As a Flyers fan, I have to tip my hat to Boston! They played solid hockey throughout the entire season and then closed it out.
I think half the Cup should go to Philly...after making history last season by beating Boston when down 3 game to none, it totally fired them up!

[Dennis M]

Originally Posted by rickah88

As a Flyers fan, I have to tip my hat to Boston! They played solid hockey throughout the entire season and then closed it out.
I think half the Cup should go to Philly...after making history last season by beating Boston when down 3 game to none, it totally fired them up!

Love the Broad Street Bullies, great team and organization. Don't mess with Philly.

[fitprod]

Originally Posted by Josh

My guess is that a lot of the heartburn and cost could be mitigated by simply injecting an enduser into the approval process. Too many times have I seen video releases that are botched because someone - who wasn't intimately familiar with the film - said it was ready for print.

Um, this is not likely going to happen, because you would have to train someone to do the job, fanboy or not... At this stage of the game in the industry, do you think a studio or post-production house is going to do that?

99.9999% of these fanboys wouldn't know a proper master if it bit them on the ass. That being said, there have been titles where the QC departments noted issues with a master, but the studio over ruled them and said it was fine, only to be bitten on the butt in the end.

fitprod