"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Arsenal WINS.

What did the ref win?

Pro-B

[micks_address]

But the real winners are Man Utd

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Arsenal WINS.

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by micks_address

But the real winners are Man Utd

Not if Liverpool win tonight.

[rover2002]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

Not if Liverpool win tonight.

They won't keep up the winning streak for much longer, same thing happens every year. As for Arsenal, i think there title hopes have all but gone, its Chelsea's to throw away at this point.
Penton
There are a couple of places to rent BR online here (Hong Kong) that are nice and cheap, however if your buying locally the prices are just ridiculously high, like full MRRP high!
Its been now over 2 years with BR in the market place, when do you see prices outside the US falling to reasonable levels such as we can now find online from US retailers?
Tks

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by rover2002

They won't keep up the winning streak for much longer, same thing happens every year. As for Arsenal, i think there title hopes have all but gone, its Chelsea's to throw away at this point.
Penton
There are a couple of places to rent BR online here (Hong Kong) that are nice and cheap, however if your buying locally the prices are just ridiculously high, like full MRRP high!
Its been now over 2 years with BR in the market place, when do you see prices outside the US falling to reasonable levels such as we can now find online from US retailers?
Tks

They have to break that duck sometime. The club has a history of winning league titles and its long overdue.

[cipher]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

Not if Liverpool win tonight.

Amen, Brother!

Given all the Football and Blu-Ray fans that are members here, I imagine there is hope for end of season team reviews and tournament finals (Champions League, FA Cup) to start being produced on Blu-Ray. Anyone have any insight into this as far as timlines, curent plans that are being made and what studios might be involved?

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by 4K2K

But Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-cinema says that there are some cinemas using Sony's CineAlta 4K digital projector. There's other differences too like bitrate and colour depth.

I would contend that the number of cinemas using Sony's projector are extremely small. Most are using either Christie or Barco DLP projectors.

D-Cinema uses a different colorspace known as "P3" and also a higher bitdepth and lower compression ratio than Blu-ray. The white point is also a bit greener due to the Xenon lamp used, their white point is DCI-6300. So yes there are fundamental differences there as well, but resolution is nearly the same. I would have loved for Blu-ray to incorporate a 4:4:4 sampling rate for color and 10-12 bits, but unfortunately that didn't happen.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by cipher

Amen, Brother!

Given all the Football and Blu-Ray fans that are members here, I imagine there is hope for end of season team reviews and tournament finals (Champions League, FA Cup) to start being produced on Blu-Ray. Anyone have any insight into this as far as timlines, curent plans that are being made and what studios might be involved?

No news to report.
It will probably depend upon how the sales of this do…………..
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=1671

and which teams (world recognition) make it into the next Finals.

The main barrier I see with this sort of thing, is not so much technological (everything is shot with HD cams now) as it is not having a good economic case for the investors of the product.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Hey Penton

Thanks for the insight on the multiple cameras for TDK, VERY interesting!

To be completely accurate and encompassing, I should also mention that some of the plates were shot with HD cams also.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by iceman

Quick note: avsforum.com is not the largest HT site anymore, avforums.com is.

Interesting.



Man, you guys have AVSforums nailed to a tee. 99.999% movies aren't worthy of purchases according to the usual group. A shame that a die hard HD DVD fan is the only poster at AVS doing cherry picked (not in a good way) blu-ray screen shot threads, couple with his ridiculous commentary "not worthy of praise" "save you money" on great looking transfers.. And his loyal followers with the usual hyperbole.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Monkey

Interesting.



Man, you guys have AVSforums nailed to a tee. 99.999% movies aren't worthy of purchases according to the usual group. A shame that a die hard HD DVD fan is the only poster at AVS doing cherry picked (not in a good way) blu-ray screen shot threads, couple with his ridiculous commentary "not worthy of praise" "save you money" on great looking transfers.. And his loyal followers with the usual hyperbole.

This individual you speak of has still not posted comparisons shots of the DVD of Dark Knight (as of writing this) in his own "comparison" thread and just falls short of recommending a recall on the disc. lol However, if this exact transfer was an HD DVD exclusive back in the days of the format war, I'm sure it would be a different story and recommendation.

[Bobby Henderson]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

D-Cinema uses a different colorspace known as "P3" and also a higher bitdepth and lower compression ratio than Blu-ray.

Not very many digital cinema installations use Sony projectors. 54 of them have been installed at a few AMC movie theater sites.

The Christie CP2000 series projector is by far the most commonly used digital cinema projector. It uses a 3-chip array of 2048 X 1080 resolution DLP chips.

D-cinema "virtual prints" run at a much higher bit rate than the levels used for video compression on Blu-ray. Every movie frame is a discrete image with no inter-frame compression allowed. And the color bit depth is indeed greater.

Despite those quality advantages over Blu-ray, a viewer can indeed see that 2K pixel grid reveal itself if he sits too close to the screen. That's not hard to do if the movie screen is pretty big.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

This individual you speak of has still not posted comparisons shots of the DVD of Dark Knight (as of writing this) in his own "comparison" thread and just falls short of recommending a recall on the disc. lol However, if this exact transfer was an HD DVD exclusive back in the days of the format war, I'm sure it would be a different story and recommendation.

No doubt in my mind. He's praised DNR infested HD DVD titles before and bashed blu-ray titles with far less. His only difference is cherry picking the best for HD DVD titles and the worst on blu-ray. I was PM'd about a time long time ago actually where I was shown how he'll advance or rewind a few frames and post if it looks a bit more out of focus or blurring from not being as still. Basically confirmed what I others have suspected for a long time. Especially those that have request pics at certain time stamps but were refused.

Heck just go to the Wall E pics.. For days he merely left the softest pictures he could find. Not hard on the film but still it would have been a bit more objective to compare the some of the high detial shots instead of just dusty earth shots from the beginning to the DVD.. At least he isn't comparing to black screens, one blu-ray one dvd.. oh to give him the idea.


edit: as for the TDK thread, I thought somebody said there were DVD pics up but they were too crappy looking so he took them down.. That would make sense, wouldn't want to show the blu-ray looking too good in comparison when suggesting not to buy it on blu-ray... Give him time, I'm sure he'll post closer comparisons.

[Penton-Man]

Well, we already all know for reasons that I have mentioned in past posts, as well as others like Deci, see- https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...78&postcount=4

that screenshot *science* should not be considered the de facto standard for precise evaluation of the presence and especially the significance of alleged Blu-ray transfer issues (or else, the mastering facilities would use them as QC tools……….which they don’t) but, since I don’t read the *PIX* threads on any forum, I just didn’t realize that the guy was also cherry-picking his ‘evidence’.

lol, desperate times call for desperate measures, I guess.

P.S.
I’m told by one of my staff detectives (who found the quote below in *science*) that if one looks diligently enough at past posting histories many, if not all of these complainers are former stalwart HD DVD sympathizers and supporters, like so………..

Originally Posted by Oliver Klohs

……….That's great to hear coming from you Amir We now have the option for the first time in HT history to get it all right so I am very passionate about this. HD-DVD is the best format there is and it is worth the effort to make it even better.

Don’t fret it Monkey, even the online reviewers are now realizing that the screenshot *scientists* analyses border on video lunacy.

[Anthony P]

I just didn’t realize that the guy was also cherry-picking his ‘evidence’.

if you are going to present evidence you will always cherry pick it. why post something that goes against what you want people to believe.

[Monkey]

Oh yes, Oliver was definitely another name that came to mind along with Xylon, Kram Sacul and a few other of the HD DVD fans sporting double standards and still unable to move along... Imagine if beta max had won, they'd still be crying inside, grinding an axe 30 years later..

[cipher]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

No news to report.
It will probably depend upon how the sales of this do…………..
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=1671

and which teams (world recognition) make it into the next Finals.

The main barrier I see with this sort of thing, is not so much technological (everything is shot with HD cams now) as it is not having a good economic case for the investors of the product.

I forgot about that one, Penton. I guess my biased mind had tried to wipe it from the memory banks!

Given the current worldwide economic situation, I imagine this might take longer than I would hope. However, it is a positive sign to see releases like the one you noted as well as other sport related releases such as the recent Celtics & Phillies championships.

[Cinema Squid]

Surely there are more interesting thing to talk about in this thread than constantly bashing the members of another forum. I enjoy reading this thread and the Blu-ray.com website in general and at the same time equally appreciate many of the opinions presented by AVS forum members and the many constructive discussions had there - including the screenshot comparison threads started by the infamous Xylon.

Bashing someone for being an early adopter of HD DVD seems especially ridiculous at this point, especially considering many of these people are extremely passionate about home theater - to a fault, apparently according to local prevailing opinion since they audaciously dared to embrace hi-def physical media before the battle was decided or in some cases even before it started. As disclosure, my first HD media playback device was a PS3 purchased last August, but I also own an LG dual-format BD-ROM drive and I rented a single HD DVD from Netflix once when I was feeling experimental. Maybe I am tainted too and I should be put on "the list"!

The physical format war is well over and I think it is valuable as a consumer, a high-definition movie aficionado, a film-lover and a techie to have constructive discussions about both the merits and potential shortcomings of Blu-ray releases, so we can all strive to push the limits of this superior format. The school yard taunts, innuendos and straw-men I am seeing here do not seem entirely productive even when they have some slight justification, unless we are trying to build an echo chamber of yes-men.

[iceman]

You have a point when you say that this has already been discussed (although really bad TDK screenshots were used for "discussion" at AVS just last week, which just "accidently" was also the biggest and most important BD title of the year....) and I might be the one who started it this time, but I was just making a very small note about AVS not being the largest HT site anymore, which is sort of a milestone in HT online. If you have a dominant position within a certain area online, it's really easy to just keep growing and growing, but somehow AVS seem to have failed.

I'm normally definitely not a person to take joy in someone else's demise or similar, but given AVS' actions during the format war - which I classify as abuse of a dominant/power-position - I don't have any problems at all with that and I think what we see is kind of a "you reap what you sow" or what happens when you jump into bed with M$. AVS is of course not going to die over the night, far from it, but they are definitely in decline and have lost their once unique position.

The format war is over, yes, but there are still many many sour HD DVD fanboys refusing to buy into BD or telling people that they shouldn't buy into BD, just check comments on various BD news articles for instance. A lot of "normal" people believe what they read and hear and think BD is about to die/never take off. We are certainly not bashing early adopters or HT people in general, just people with an obvious agenda and how AVS have managed their site.

Hmm... Champagne for me this weekend

[patrick99]

Originally Posted by Cinema Squid

Surely there are more interesting thing to talk about in this thread than constantly bashing the members of another forum. I enjoy reading this thread and the Blu-ray.com website in general and at the same time equally appreciate many of the opinions presented by AVS forum members and the many constructive discussions had there - including the screenshot comparison threads started by the infamous Xylon.

Bashing someone for being an early adopter of HD DVD seems especially ridiculous at this point, especially considering many of these people are extremely passionate about home theater - to a fault, apparently according to local prevailing opinion since they audaciously dared to embrace hi-def physical media before the battle was decided or in some cases even before it started. As disclosure, my first HD media playback device was a PS3 purchased last August, but I also own an LG dual-format BD-ROM drive and I rented a single HD DVD from Netflix once when I was feeling experimental. Maybe I am tainted too and I should be put on "the list"!

The physical format war is well over and I think it is valuable as a consumer, a high-definition movie aficionado, a film-lover and a techie to have constructive discussions about both the merits and potential shortcomings of Blu-ray releases, so we can all strive to push the limits of this superior format. The school yard taunts, innuendos and straw-men I am seeing here do not seem entirely productive even when they have some slight justification, unless we are trying to build an echo chamber of yes-men.

Very well said. If AVS is so trivial, marginal, and irrelevant, why spend so much time attacking it?