"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

weird, this sounds like "screenshot science"...

Given the predominating theme on all the audiovideo forums, I’ll try to lighten it up with an appropriate YouTube clip with something entirely unrelated to science but still indirectly applicable –

YouTube - ‪Game of Thrones Actor Sean Bean Stabbed in Bar Fight‬‏

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Danielle Ni Dhighe

With Jackson saying the version being shown in cinemas now and the Blu-ray should be the same, does that mean something was done to the Blu-ray master without his approval?

Well yes, if the snow as seen in the past theatrical presentation was white or off-white rather than blue or green tinted.

A few people are really going to look like fools if someone posts an accurate screen capture online of white snow from the 2K DCP shown around the country and compares the same scene to that of the Blu-ray rendition.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

...you don't even need a change in peoples attitudes if the scenario changes....

At quick perusal, a very logical post Anthony but, I’m rushing to get out of the office so excuse me if I read it later.

I do leave with a smile on my face though as despite a pretty terrible day on Wall Street (even with analyst upgrades for other stocks), there was a shining 3D star - http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/...r_8517914.html

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Danielle Ni Dhighe

With Jackson saying the version being shown in cinemas now and the Blu-ray should be the same, does that mean something was done to the Blu-ray master without his approval?

Where/when did he say that? Apparently, in the introduction to the theatrical screening, he says that the theatrical master uses the same video transfer as the Blu-ray, but do you actually have a quote in which he says that the color-timing is the same?

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Where/when did he say that? Apparently, in the introduction to the theatrical screening, he says that the theatrical master uses the same video transfer as the Blu-ray, but do you actually have a quote in which he says that the color-timing is the same?

No, I don't have a quote of him saying the color timing is the same, I misunderstood what he said in the introduction.

But it still strikes me as odd that the same brand new video transfer would be used but with very different color timings for the theatrical and Blu-ray masters.

Especially when it was just a year ago that the theatrical cut of the same film was released to Blu with a ton of controversy concerning the transfer and there were some angry fans. That transfer was also claimed to be director approved.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Danielle Ni Dhighe

But it still strikes me as odd that the same brand new video transfer would be used but with very different color timings for the theatrical and Blu-ray masters.

Yes, absolutely- it's very odd and should be investigated. I just want to be very clear about who's saying what before any conceptual leaps are made.

[Post Prod]

My point was more that one side did not have a monopoly on FUD or delusion. It' s just easier in hindsight to call the losing side "delusional". History written by the victors and whatnot.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

No man FUD is FUD no matter what side wins. For example to go back to the original discussion "BD-50 is sci-fi" it would have been just as much FUD if HD-DVD won instead of BD since in 2006 movies on BD-50 showed up.



On the other hand I said delusional and those are not the same thing. FUD does not need to be delusional (most of the time it starts from dishonesty, for example every few days in 2006/early 2007 when I was on AVS there were new threads started on a new BD only studio flipping side, the person (people) starting those rumours where all dishonest since there was no reason (no matter how delusional one is) to start such a rumour without anything to back it up, now obviously the people spreading it where gullible and delusional, but the people starting it (on the site or not) were intent on misleading and they knew it was not true and it was something they made up. On the flip side something can be delusional but not be FUD, back when I was on AVS I was once called an HD-DVD fanboy because some guy did not want to understand that there was no chance we would see movies on BD-100. Saying we will have films on BD-100 soon cannot bring fear uncertainty or doubt but it was delusional. If someone did not care HD-DVD was 30 and BD was 50 because 30GB was the right amount for every movie (while 50 is way too big and 25 way too small) they would not care anymore if BD had 100, and for someone that thought the more capacity the better 100GB would be nice since for example that would mean WB would not need to split the EE of LOTR films but 50 would have been better then 30.



Now you are a bit correct in a way (even though I don't think it was what you mean), if there are legitimate claims one does not need to resort to FUD and weaken their argument. But if FUD never worked it would not be used so much, so sometimes FUD does flip the situation.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by post prod

my point was more that one side did not have a monopoly on fud or delusion. It' s just easier in hindsight to call the losing side "delusional". History written by the victors and whatnot.

+1.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Yes, absolutely- it's very odd and should be investigated. I just want to be very clear about who's saying what before any conceptual leaps are made.

Would you happen to be doing work on the side as a consultant for Casey Anthony’s defense team?

Despite exactly what was said or what wasn't said in the Introduction to the recent theatrical premiere of the 'remastering', I think it is highly reasonable (to the extent of near certainty) to assume that Peter J. intended theatrical audiences last Tuesday evening to see nearly the exact same colored snow….and the same graded “transition scene” on the BIG screen.....as that for purchasers of the soon-to-street LOTR Blu-ray.

However, I guess in the realm of *Anything’s Possible*, he could have wanted the recent theatrical audiences to see white snow and home theater audiences to see green snow in order to make them feel energy-conscious and thusly guilty over contemplating the purchase of another big screen plasma TV in lieu of something like a smaller screen LCD.

It might be interesting to watch the fan backlash if the 4K DCP of 'Lawrence' shows beige sand and the Blu-ray version shows red....like your Arsenal avatar.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Despite exactly what was said or what wasn't said in the Introduction to the recent theatrical premiere of the 'remastering', I think it is highly reasonable (to the extent of near certainty) to assume that Peter J. intended theatrical audiences last Tuesday evening to see nearly the exact same colored snow….and the same graded “transition scene” on the BIG screen.....as that for purchasers of the soon-to-street LOTR Blu-ray.

Absolutely, and I don't mean to derail the conversation. We just have to be careful with the terms we discuss when we get into this kind of detail and, considering the history of the home video industry, there's also the "you never know..." factor.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

It might be interesting to watch the fan backlash if the 4K DCP of 'Lawrence' shows beige sand and the Blu-ray version shows red....like your Arsenal avatar.

Be very, very careful with your abstract examples, Penton.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

It might be interesting to watch the fan backlash if the 4K DCP of 'Lawrence' shows beige sand and the Blu-ray version shows red....like your Arsenal avatar.

Oh no!!! Don't tell me that my first viewing of LoA, albeit it an HD version of the film, may be tainted!!! I was sooo looking forward to seeing this for the very first time!!!

[Dennis M]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

However, I guess in the realm of *Anything’s Possible*, he could have wanted the recent theatrical audiences to see white snow and home theater audiences to see green snow in order to make them feel energy-conscious and thusly guilty over contemplating the purchase of another big screen plasma TV in lieu of something like a smaller screen LCD.

You'd have to pry my 50' Panny Plasma from my cold dead hands.

And green warriors, don't even think about getting near my HT.

Don't think I'm alone here.

[Dennis M]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

It might be interesting to watch the fan backlash if the 4K DCP of 'Lawrence' shows beige sand and the Blu-ray version shows red....like your Arsenal avatar.

That would start a riot.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Post Prod

My point was more that one side did not have a monopoly on FUD or delusion. It' s just easier in hindsight to call the losing side "delusional". History written by the victors and whatnot.

Oh yes they did.

HD DVD was clearly inferior from conception and they used FUD to cover for Toshiba's patent grab.

[petmic10]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Whoa, seems like this *tint* controversy has extended all over the world wide web, as in answer to my above post(https://forum.blu-ray.com/4845405-post17268.html) I was sent this link from HDD, a forum which I had completely forgotten about since the format war ceased –

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/blu-...ml#post2195265

I don’t know what the poster means by “the transition scene” but this does not bode well for an accurate Blu-ray rendition of FOTR when the Digital Cinema version differs that much.

Anyway, accuracy to Director intent aside (unless Peter intended theatrical audiences see a *white* version of FOTR and Blu-ray watchers a *green* version of FOTR )…on the upside, for home theater fans of the Blu-ray of FOTR, the good thing is that the eye adapts rather easily to different color temperatures (within reason)…much more so than the viewer trying to adapt to the edginess related to excessive sharpening…

Penton,

Fyi, the transition scene being discussed is the scene right before
Frodo wakes up in Rivendel(sorry I don't have a time stamp). The
scene is supposed to fade to an all white screen. The green screen
is from the screen grabs that are floating around of the Blu-ray version.

Now I watched Fellowship at AMC Tuesday night and was not bothered
by any cyan/green tint but I did not have anything to compare it to,
so I just enjoyed the movie and thought it looked terrific.

[Post Prod]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Oh yes they did.

HD DVD was clearly inferior from conception and they used FUD to cover for Toshiba's patent grab.

sigh. As I was saying...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by petmic10

Penton,

Fyi, the transition scene being discussed is the scene right before
Frodo wakes up in Rivendel(sorry I don't have a time stamp). The
scene is supposed to fade to an all white screen. The green screen
is from the screen grabs that are floating around of the Blu-ray version.

Now I watched Fellowship at AMC Tuesday night and was not bothered
by any cyan/green tint but I did not have anything to compare it to,
so I just enjoyed the movie and thought it looked terrific.

Well, if you went in specifically alerted/sensitized to the appearance of this cyan/green tint in that transition scene, I really don’t think you needed a pure white reference point to compare it to. ....for if there was any hint of it, I think you would have identified it given the posted screenshots.

Other folks clueless to the online controversy (at that point in time) might very well not have recognized anything *unusual* in terms of color temperature.

I stepped back into the main thread again early this morning …. https://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-mo...ml#post4851209

But, I see they’re talking about HD erections and the *rumor mill* has it that some Congressmen are now avidly reading the thread with great interest….on taxpayers’ time! But you know rumor mills. That may or may not be true.

Lunch beckons….

[Post Prod]

At this point, I think anyone making bold proclamations about the LOTR EE set, without actually having the set, or talking directly to someone they know actually has the set, is setting themselves up to look foolish.


Right now it's a 50/50 roll. I'll just hold onto my dice for a little while longer.

Other than of course letting people know the difference between green and cyan.

Sorry it's a pet peeve. If I had a nickel for every time I was told something was too red, when it was actually too magenta, well..I would have several nickles.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

But, I see they’re talking about HD erections and the *rumor mill* has it that some Congressmen are now avidly reading the thread with great interest….on taxpayers’ time! But you know rumor mills. That may or may not be true.

HA HA HA... that was me! I was just making reference to another thread that was going on tho!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

HA HA HA... that was me! I was just making reference to another thread that was going on tho!

lol, I see.
You guys have all these threads on here which I've never heard of.

Just don't let any politicians know about it.