HDR Discussion Thread

[Robert Zohn]

@PeterTHX, I agree with you, but one can hope for better things to come along.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DisplayCalNoob

So is this license better than Dolby's?

Cal, to answer that might well violate the NDA, e.g. https://www.dolby.com/us/en/professi...-consumer.aspx (see bottom).

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Thanks Penton-Man!

At our 2018 TV Shootout we're planning to have an ophthalmologist that specializes in how the human visual system works and see so we can discuss how close we are with BT.2020, HDR, EOTF and 10bit displays.

good to hear, what's the date on that event again?

[Robert Zohn]

No date set at this moment. I'll announce our 2018 TV Shootout date by early July.

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

- HDR10+ 6/20/18 Press Release

The new HDR10+ technology optimizes picture quality for 4K Ultra HD displays by using dynamic tone mapping to reflect frame to frame or scene to scene variations in brightness, color saturation, and contrast. The resulting enhanced viewing experience can now be easily provided on a wide range of displays bringing the viewing experience much closer to the original creative intent for the content.

“The new HDR10+ licensing and certification program represents a technological step forward for next generation displays,” said Danny Kaye, Executive Vice President of 20th Century Fox and Managing Director of the Fox Innovation Lab. “HDR10+ improves the viewing experience for all audiences by delivering higher picture quality to a wider range of affordable TVs and devices.”

“We believe that this licensing and certification program will provide reassurance to consumers who want to ensure that they are seeing the most accurate HDR representation of the creator’s vision,” said Toshiharu Tsutsui, Director of Panasonic’s TV Business Division.

“With an increase in demand for larger displays and premium picture quality, we are thrilled to announce a new HDR10+ licensing and certification program,” said Bill Mandel, Vice President of Industry Relations at Samsung Research America. “This program was designed with consumers in mind, highlighting our commitment to improving the overall HDR experience while simultaneously extending the HDR10+ ecosystem globally.”

So much bovine fertilizer. They should be politicians.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Is there some soccer thingy going on?

simpsons soccer 2 - YouTube

Yes, and not to worry with what you apparently perceive as a lack of excitement during play, as (and, this is right up your alley ) according to Jimmy K., Russia has an official sponsor for the FIFA tournament and which, if you thoroughly take advantage of, like the couple here -

Russia Announces Official World Cup Vodka - YouTube

I think you could be seeing a bicycle kick on every play.

[Penton-Man]

^
P.S.
I checked out the other forum on which you also post to see what’s cookin on their home page in relation to any World Cup news. Given that, one might get the impression the World Cup was only being contested in ‘Moscow, Russia from June 14 to July 15’ as indicated in one of the feature articles there.

Wrong, welcome to one of thee other host cities, Saransk ….https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44541388

I yearn for a pic of that fat cat.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

this year’s fine CVPR2018 conference….. http://cvpr2018.thecvf.com/program/tutorials.

b.t.w., the demo I mentioned at the bottom of the post from last week here - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post15183636

is being shown this week at CVPR2018 - http://cvpr2018.thecvf.com/program/demos “Watching Soccer in AR/VR” to the computer science scholars.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Thanks Penton-Man!

At our 2018 TV Shootout we're planning to have an ophthalmologist that specializes in how the human visual system works and see so we can discuss how close we are with BT.2020, HDR, EOTF and 10bit displays.

I notice ray0414 has now thanked you for the post at the top of the page and therefore I’m assuming he has developed some additional interest in the HVS. Ray, far be it from me to comment on such things as normal anatomical and physiologic function of the human visual system with regards to color and light stimuli so, from more of a practical ($$) standpoint, just remember to wear sunglasses when playing poker with your buds, for as Poppy says, “your pupil doesn’t lie” -
(see normal pupillary reactive response at 3 min 34 sec timestamp) -

https://www.ted.com/talks/poppy_crum...204598#t=3m34s

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

So much bovine fertilizer. They should be politicians.

Indeed. And they keep using the present tense when talking about HDR10+ content, yet there isn't any. Amazon still aren't using it: no Samsung 2017/2018 owner has ever reported seeing the HDR10+ marker appear on their screen, either on their own TV's UI, or the Amazon UI.

HDR10+ content simply does not exist outside of trade shows, no matter how many press releases they point out - all empty words.

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

Indeed. And they keep using the present tense when talking about HDR10+ content, yet there isn't any. Amazon still aren't using it: no Samsung 2017/2018 owner has ever reported seeing the HDR10+ marker appear on their screen, either on their own TV's UI, or the Amazon UI.

HDR10+ content simply does not exist outside of trade shows, no matter how many press releases they point out - all empty words.

yeah exactly. I'm not sure who these press releases are targeted at...

Surely they can't be targeted to the average consumer joe - Because if it's targeted to anyone else they will surely know that they're all, as eloquently as you put it, empty words as HDR10+ doesn't really exist yet and what we've seen thus far has been extremely shady.

Great that there *appears* to be momentum but it's just bizarre how they act like it's a legitimate product despite the fact that there's not even a demo of it yet, the last we heard from CES was that there were some major issues with even getting it to work right, and of course the entire shady mess concerning Amazon....

Maybe we're mistaken and Samsung really went the long game and the floodgates will just break down now and it'll be used all over the place since it's a relatively automated process that can be implemented basically by the click of a button.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

HDR10+ content simply does not exist outside of trade shows, no matter how many press releases they point out - all empty words.

http://www.displaysummit.com/hdr10-technology/

Also, Florian has done consultant work for Samsung before (https://www.cepro.com/article/samsun..._open_standard). I don’t think it would be that difficult for Samsung to commission him and his website (https://hdr.avtop.com/hdr_solutions_avtop) as a proxy for access to an HDR10+ sample clip, as you’ll note his company already offers other free video sample downloads.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

science scholars

SMPTE Hollywood Section's Career Day 2018 - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Kris D., area look familiar? (not too far from the sub base).....https://twitter.com/BRUCKHEIMERJB/st...33006822612992

[RockyIII]

A picture is worth 1000 words...

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Yes, and not to worry with what you apparently perceive as a lack of excitement during play, as (and, this is right up your alley ) according to Jimmy K., Russia has an official sponsor for the FIFA tournament and which, if you thoroughly take advantage of, like the couple here -

Russia Announces Official World Cup Vodka - YouTube

I think you could be seeing a bicycle kick on every play.

Lol.

As exciting as low scores and ties are, I'd rather sit thru a 20 part series on the history of the doily. In DV of course. I am down for a round of Plastic. Pele is buying.

[Penton-Man]

Arte Johnson - Very interesting - YouTube.flv - YouTube

https://www.computerbase.de/2018-06/...d-deutschland/

For folks in and around Chatsworth showing interest in this type theatrical exhibition check out ‘Cinema 20’ at Pacific Winnetka 12 to really determine if you feel this is an upgrade over a DV presentation in a Dolby Cinema. For instance, Incredibles 2 is playing currently on the Samsung Onyx at Pacific Winnetka (https://tickets.fandango.com/transac...06%2f21%2f2018 ) and also in Dolby Vision at Dolby Cinema venues, e.g. - https://tickets.fandango.com/transac...06%2f21%2f2018

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

yeah exactly. I'm not sure who these press releases are targeted at...

Surely they can't be targeted to the average consumer joe - Because if it's targeted to anyone else they will surely know that they're all, as eloquently as you put it, empty words as HDR10+ doesn't really exist yet and what we've seen thus far has been extremely shady.

Over time, I think viewers will ascertain that DV tone maps better esp. in the shadows and midtones.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I can see all the letters. Does that make me special, pa?

Try this -

Test Your Awareness : Whodunnit? - YouTube

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Try this -

Test Your Awareness : Whodunnit? - YouTube

Blimey!

[Show spoiler]It's a safety PSA!

Cute video.