HDR Discussion Thread

[Ernest Rister]

Going to have to buy a new receiver. Currently, I'm going out from my 4k player to the TV, running audio through the arc back to the receiver for surround, which outputs as PCM. I bought my receiver six years ago because it promised 4k pass-through, but specs and tech changed to HDMI 2.2, which is fine. My receiver won't pass 4k HDR, it downconverts to 1080 (oddly enough, it has no problem passing upconverted video -- Hugo's blu is upscaled and shows as 4k, while Harry Potter 4k HDR shows as 1080, so I had to bypass the receiver and go straight to the display). I'm not upset by it. I usually figure a ten-year window when buying home theater tech, I just know I'm not getting the benefit of a receiver that can handle new audio codecs and the STRDN840 is doing what it can (PCM).

So I'll be in the market for a more modern receiver later in the year. Not crazy about Atmos, I don't have a man-cave and my wife hates the eight speakers surrounding the living room as it is (no matter how tastefully hidden they are). Putting speakers on the ceiling is a no-go. Just want a solid 7.1 Sony receiver that can pass HDR and DolbyVision signals, with some pretense towards future-proofing.

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

http://www.displaysummit.com/hdr10-technology/

thanks but I can only access an abstract paragraph. Was anyone who posts here, there? Was the update from Bill him saying "yes, we're still pushing the Amazon press releases hard. Hope the punters all fall for it and one day we can persuade Amazon to actually stream it"?

Also, Florian has done consultant work for Samsung before (https://www.cepro.com/article/samsun..._open_standard). I don’t think it would be that difficult for Samsung to commission him and his website (https://hdr.avtop.com/hdr_solutions_avtop) as a proxy for access to an HDR10+ sample clip, as you’ll note his company already offers other free video sample downloads.

Yes, I hope that will happen one day, before I retire. I have a lot of time for Florian. In fact I'd hope that would have happened at any time over the last two years...

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Going to have to buy a new receiver. Currently, I'm going out from my 4k player to the TV, running audio through the arc back to the receiver for surround, which outputs as PCM. I bought my receiver six years ago because it promised 4k pass-through, but specs and tech changed to HDMI 2.2, which is fine.

HDCP (encryption) 2.2
UHD Blu-ray uses HDMI 2.0a for HDR. Confusing, I know.

The new spec is HDMI 2.1 which is slowly being rolled out with devices.

Also wouldn't really recommend a Sony receiver. I've had much better performance with something like Onkyo or Denon. Good price points too.

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Kris D., area look familiar? (not too far from the sub base).....https://twitter.com/BRUCKHEIMERJB/st...33006822612992

Not where this picture is. Not by the base up my way, near San Diego?

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Just the opposite. It will make Samsung dig in more.

Only overwhelming support will drive Samsung to accept something that everyone else has.

Judging by the latest press release posted by Pieter in the HDR10+ thread, they've lost Warner Bros.

Didn't think it was a coincidence that Warner's latest new releases have all been DV, not to mention big catalog releases like The Matrix.

Wonder how Heat would have spun this. It would have been interesting to see him explain how the loss of Warner would be a good thing.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

For folks in and around Chatsworth showing interest in this type theatrical exhibition check out ‘Cinema 20’ at Pacific Winnetka 12 to really determine if you feel this is an upgrade over a DV presentation in a Dolby Cinema. For instance, Incredibles 2 is playing currently on the Samsung Onyx at Pacific Winnetka (https://tickets.fandango.com/transac...06%2f21%2f2018 ) and also in Dolby Vision at Dolby Cinema venues, e.g. - https://tickets.fandango.com/transac...06%2f21%2f2018

https://twitter.com/BradBirdA113/sta...74846814482438
^ one of the Directors, who early on, recognized the value of Dolby Vision….https://vimeo.com/131442291#t=33m46s

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

thanks but I can only access an abstract paragraph. Was anyone who posts here, there?

mrtickle, the Samsung sponsored event is yet to come, it’s next Wed. and Thurs. I’m assuming there will be at least one of these type local reporters covering it:

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

supposed to be a journalist, not someone who genuflects whenever a company tells you something.

in order to boost traffic to their websites without really holding anyone's feet to the fire with tough questions.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Not where this picture is. Not by the base up my way, near San Diego?

Not up in Port Orchard area, yes to S.D. area. Down the hill from where the twitter pic was taken, some filming for 2 days took place on NAS North Island –
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...ebac9703b&z=13

[Penton-Man]

b.t.w. the Pentagon also supported this flick - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post15163523

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

https://twitter.com/BRUCKHEIMERJB/st...33006822612992

cinematography by the man who, among other films and videos, shot this recent music video - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...r#post15189078

and the Top Gun: Maverick production is employing, for utility stunts, Jimmy (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0731243/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr9),

son of J.N. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN7tuTNCBZE#t=1h19m45s and member of the Viewfinders Motorcycle Club

[Penton-Man]

good article dropped by a software engineer over at BBC - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/...d-1c93eda18f73

P.S.
b.t.w. a revision being made (but yet to be publicly published) to ‘2100’ (https://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r...6-I!!PDF-E.pdf) is to change hybrid log gamma’s black level adjustment formula offset from linear area to image area.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Lol.

As exciting as low scores and ties are, I'd rather sit thru a 20 part series on the history of the doily. In DV of course. I am down for a round of Plastic.

Soccer players can be do-ers in beverage filmmaking too ….

SAMAN með Coca-Cola - YouTube

elaboration: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/be...mmaker-1122337

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

yet to be publicly published

but Dolby soon will be publishing the test that is conducted for when a post shop chooses to be certified by Dolby.

A local example of a Dolby certified facility - http://innovativepostsolutions.com/creative-transform/

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Soccer players can be do-ers in beverage filmmaking too ….

SAMAN með Coca-Cola - YouTube


elaboration: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/be...mmaker-1122337

Haha. Leave it to soccer players to over dramatize a Coke commercial.

Let señor Greene show them fancy boys how it's done.

Coca-Cola 'Mean Joe Greene' - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Haha. Leave it to soccer players to over dramatize a Coke commercial.
Let señor Greene show them fancy boys how it's done.

That was a great ad from back in the day and I even remember the reunion piece - https://www.fastcompany.com/3056107/...36-years-later

But football players needn’t worry too much about lower extremity injuries (shown at the beginning of the commercial) impairing their quality of life later on in age because worst case scenario, joint replacement has evolved significantly since then. What they have to be much more concerned about is CTE -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...encephalopathy

And the many years the NFL purposely ignored or buried the issue.

[Penton-Man]

As was alerted to Blu-ray.com readership ~ four years ago (Sept. 2014) –

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

For sports, you’ll probably want a larger size in order to take advantage of what 4K capture and delivery can offer…other than solely the increased detail it can provide to the imagery.....

I have a friend who attended the FIFA World Cup in Brazil this past summer where he and others (public viewing) watched a match on two 80-ish sized 4K TVs which were set up close to each other. One received the 4K feed whereas the other received the local Globus HD broadcast feed.

The 4K broadcast showed much more picture real estate than the HD broadcast....

Sooo, as viewers, it was easier and much more pleasing to follow the ball and movement of the players over a greater expanse of the field (with the additional plus of greater detail) than for the HD delivered version.

Regarding the notion that there is value to 4K acquisition and delivery (compared to HD) not only for the sake of increased resolution (a concept, reporters like from CNET, etc. just couldn’t comprehend or address because they were too busy posting viewing distance charts and visual acuity, which even with regards to that, actually were imprecise because they don’t take into account things like Vernier acuity)

So, for a video illustration of the above concept of more picture real estate, flash forward 4 years to Vincent T. -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdQ8YZG6rWg#t=4m32s

[Penton-Man]

Also, another concept (no blown out or bleached highlights with HDR as compared to SDR) introduced to Blu-ray.com readers ~ 2 years ago (May 2016) as to the value of HDR for the bright (sunny) side of the image - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post12202983

Now illustrated in video by Vincent - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdQ8YZG6rWg#t=5m11s

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

but Dolby soon will be publishing the test that is conducted for when a post shop chooses to be certified by Dolby.
A local example of a Dolby certified facility - http://innovativepostsolutions.com/creative-transform/

Well staffed for Dolby Vision post production, scroll down – http://innovativepostsolutions.com/team-2/

[IntelliVolume]

As a complete HDR/4K/UHD novice here who has just made the jump from a 1080p Sony SXRD rear projection set to a brand spankin' new 65" Samsung NU8000 4K display, I had some questions with regard to how my new TV is going to "handle" some of the more advanced HDR algorithms, being that it doesn't support supreme high-end tech like Dolby Vision, etc. (I believe it's equipped with HDR10 or HDR Plus? This is a "premium" 4K TV, but not of Samsung's QLED series of displays; it is from the 8 Series, which is their best line before hitting the QLEDs, if I understand it right...).

Being that I will not be using a UHD player for the immediate time being with the NU8000, what should the HDR settings in the TV be set to? I will be sending a 1080p signal from my Blu-ray player for now, along with a 1080i signal from the cable box, so what should the HDR10 settings in the Samsung be adjusted to? Does it matter?

Also -- what happens when I eventually get a UHD player and play discs that boast the "advanced" forms of HDR such as Dolby Vision? Being that the Samsung doesn't have these advanced operations, only HDR Plus/10, would the signal from the 4K disc get "downconverted," so to speak, on my set? And how is that going to look?

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by IntelliVolume

Also -- what happens when I eventually get a UHD player and play discs that boast the "advanced" forms of HDR such as Dolby Vision? Being that the Samsung doesn't have these advanced operations, only HDR Plus/10, would the signal from the 4K disc get "downconverted," so to speak, on my set? And how is that going to look?

It will play in HDR10 and will look as good as any other HDR10 material.