Samsung 4K UHD Blu-ray Player UBD-K8500

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by kyloren

Thank you for the heads up! I'm new to 4K, so I'm learning all the details. Another question what's the difference between Costco's Samsung UBD-KM85c and Best Buy's Samsung UBD-K8500. Best Buy has the 8500 at $199, what's the 85c at Costco? I'm not a member there, so I can't see the price. I can have someone that is a member get it for me. Thanks!

There is no difference between Costco's version except the included short cable and their unusually liberal return policy. It's $189 at the warehouse. They're out of stock online. In Store only, so call around.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

For those who have tried both this player as well as the Xbox One S, is the Samsung far superior? I've read about some stuttering issues with the Xbox One S.

The Xbox One S does not bitstream raw audio either and only a promise of MS's that they may be addressing it sometime next year. That means no Dolby Atmos and no DTS: X immersive audio.

Some titles refuse to play and they still haven't come out with new firmware to fix them. Some HDR headers are mis-read too.

The Samsung plays everything except for the couple problematic discs that have issues due to manufacturing faults... just keep returning until you find a good one if you happen across a bad Crouching Tiger, Catching Fire, or Sicario. That's only 3 titles so far.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

By that, I'm assuming you mean that some HDR titles do not get displayed in HDR as they should?

Causes the player to send out the wrong color matrix.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

Does that happen with a large number of discs?

A handful. However, the other issues mentioned also make the One S a less than ideal disc player.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

Just wondering - what are some of the discs that exhibit that behavior?

It looks like MS did a partial fix for HDR. Though, some were still reporting issues with the mix of this unit and Vizio displays.

The are still certain Universal discs giving it fits, as well as playback stuttering on random 4k discs.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

Yeah, all of the issues with the Xbox One S made me go with the Samsung. Purchased it today.

Cool!

Just be sure to change all the relevant settings as has been discussed.

[kyloren]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

There is no difference between Costco's version except the included short cable and their unusually liberal return policy. It's $189 at the warehouse. They're out of stock online. In Store only, so call around.

Picked one up today at Costco for $189, they had at least 30 of them at my local store. First full 4K HDR movie will be tomorrow night! Best Buy is price matching again now that the weekend and Cyber Monday is over!

[HansYupp]

Mine will be delivered tomorrow. I ordered from best buy last weekend. it didn't ship until yesterday. local stores were out of stock.

[sfric]

I purchased mine from Costco when they first got them in store. So far, the only issue I've had with it is needing to unplug/re-plug the power cable after the last firmware update. Other than that, It has played every UHD disc I've put in (I have an OPPO for 1080p blu-rays).

I have been very satisfied with this player, overall.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

Just wondering - which HDMI cables are you guys using with this player?

Monoprice Certified Premium 18 Gbps. cables for me.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

Cool, that's what I was leaning towards. Would a shorter length be better? I was thinking of 6 ft. Or does that not matter?

18 Gbps cable tends to get a bit sketchy at 25 feet and longer. Just get enough so that it fits your situation. Might as well get a couple lengths and try what works. They're cheap.

If you're running through a receiver or pre-amp you need one for each connection (player to receiver... receiver to TV).

[waff]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

Just wondering - which HDMI cables are you guys using with this player?

I use Monoprice Cabernet cables w/ Redmere for a 40 foot run. Works great.

[moparbob]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

Just wondering - which HDMI cables are you guys using with this player?

I been using Mediabridge from Amazon, works great and very good build quality...

https://www.amazon.com/Mediabridge-ULTRA-HDMI-Cable-Foot/dp/B0019EHU8G/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

I never gave it a thought but I have always get the 6 foot cables and really only need 3 foot.

[Calikid818]

New to this. my tv only has one hdr port. can i hook up my ps4 pro to the second hdmi connection on the player and still get hdr and 4k. Thanks

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Calikid818

New to this. my tv only has one hdr port. can i hook up my ps4 pro to the second hdmi connection on the player and still get hdr and 4k. Thanks

The second HDMI port on the Samsung is an audio out port only and used when and if you have a somewhat older receiver without HDCP 2.2 encryption or HDR compatibility. The first HDMI output is video and audio.

What you need is a new receiver (has audio processing and built-in amps for most or all of your speakers), or a pre-amp/processor (no built-in amps & requires outboard amplifiers for greater sonic quality and customization). That will gain you:

1) HDMI switching with HDR support (as long as the model chosen has HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 ports).

2) Premium surround decoding and possibly the new Dolby Atmos and DTS: X immersive 3D surround formats. They use separate sound elements called objects tagged with panning and size metadata that can place sound in three-dimensional space with the addition of overhead or height speakers to a 5.1 or 7.1 base system.

If you're using a soundbar presently, by also adding separate speakers and a subwoofer your audio reproduction quality and surround immersion can go up quite a bit depending on the makes & models you go with. After all, sound is 60% of the experience.

A win-win proposition.

[Calikid818]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

The second HDMI port on the Samsung is an audio out port only and used when and if you have a somewhat older receiver without HDCP 2.2 encryption or HDR compatibility. The first HDMI output is video and audio.

What you need is a new receiver (has audio processing and built-in amps for most or all of your speakers), or a pre-amp/processor (no built-in amps & requires outboard amplifiers for greater sonic quality and customization). That will gain you:

1) HDMI switching with HDR support (as long as the model chosen has HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 ports).

2) Premium surround decoding and possibly the new Dolby Atmos and DTS: X immersive 3D surround formats. They use separate sound elements called objects tagged with panning and size metadata that can place sound in three-dimensional space with the addition of overhead or height speakers to a 5.1 or 7.1 base system.

If you're using a soundbar presently, by also adding separate speakers and a subwoofer your audio reproduction quality and surround immersion can go up quite a bit depending on the makes & models you go with. After all, sound is 60% of the experience.

A win-win proposition.

would an hdmi Splitter work i seen one at best buy that has 4k and hdr. thanks

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Calikid818

would an hdmi Splitter work i saw one at best buy that has 4k and hdr. thanks

I don't see anything like what you need listed on Best Buy's web site... one that actually supports HDMI 2.0a (the a part is required for HDR pass-through - the HDMI specs for HDR changed last year.) and HDCP 2.2 encryption (required for 4k) is a few hundred dollars.


Your best bet is a new receiver (with the bonus of Atmos and X decoding). Just a switch for around the same price (or a tiny bit less) is a waste of money IMHO. You can still do audio pass-through to the display and use the receiver as a passive switcher in the meantime until you can add speakers to it.

[Calikid818]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

I don't see anything like what you need listed on Best Buy's web site... one that actually supports HDMI 2.0a (the a part is required for HDR pass-through - the HDMI specs for HDR changed last year.) and HDCP 2.2 encryption (required for 4k) is a few hundred dollars.


Your best bet is a new receiver (with the bonus of Atmos and X decoding). Just a switch for around the same price (or a tiny bit less) is a waste of money IMHO. You can still do audio pass-through to the display and use the receiver as a passive switcher in the meantime until you can add speakers to it.

i saw this one at best buy site.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/rocketfi...?skuId=5293804 if not could you point me to a good receiver?? thanks

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

Just want to confirm - in order to get 10 bit color from this player to the TV at 24 fps, is YCrCb 4:4:4 the right setting?

Yes. With Deep Color off, 24 fps on Auto, and 24 fps conversion to off. However, depending your display, there may be a setting in the TV's menu that must be enabled to turn on 10 bit color processing (given said display is even capable of it in the first place).

[ltolman]

Quote from Samsung's website:

To get the most out of your Ultra HD Blu-ray Player, There are a few Things you will need:
•The Samsung Ultra HD Blu-ray Player
•A UHD TV
•A High Speed HDMI Cable
•A 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc

Allow me to express my headache but with a question first.

So apparently in order to play your 4k Movies off this Samsung player one "needs" a HDR TV?

I bought a TV, then bought a Sony 4k Upscaling player; after research I found Upscale is upscale and not True. So I found out the only way to play 4k Movies is off specific players.

I bought the Samsung Player (this model; the one in this thread). After hooking it up and putting the HDMI cable into my Port 5 saying 4k @ 60hz I was able to see something on screen. I put in a Blu Ray (standard) and yes it works. But I insert my "Independence Day Resurgence" UHD (4k) movie in and I got 'No Signal'

Tweak after Tweak I finally go the UHD movie to play but omgosh the quality is worse than a standard DVD. So I reset all settings back to Factory on Samsung Player. Blu Ray was way better than the 4k UHD movie. So I do even more research. Thinking I got the wrong TV and I did.

Fast forward til I got my PS4 Pro. Tried hooking that up and still No signal. After research I was thinking my Firmware was outdated but nope that wasn't the case. Turns out theres a work around on the PS4 pro:

*Boot into safe mode, change HDCP to 1.4, restart; then power off. Then boot into safe mode again and change Resolution to 2160; restart and..............yay PS4 Pro Settings is telling me that my TV is doing the 3460x whatever and my HDCP thing is rated 2.2 but my TV don't support HDR (which is fine because the specs agree)

The box says "4k Ultra HD"

Now what did the above thing say from Samsung?

So after reading the last few pages from this thread I needed clarification....I went out and purchased 2 more 4k Movies to test out.

First I put in the standard Blu Ray; plays fine! (few seconds into Scene 4)
Then I put in the 4k Ultra HD movie into player...........

So the Samsung player reads it, displays the title on homescreen and when it loaded I got/saw a message "This Disc has been produced for TVs with High Dynamic Range" and blam back to "No Signal"

The Independence Day Resurgence says "HDR"
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2: Out of Shadows says "HDR"
Jason Bourne says "HDR"

So I'm having a strong feeling these movies will not play without an HDR TV!! Period! So I'm also thinking that should be a stipulation in which i'll have to contact Samsung. Its a bit misleading really. Or rather very very confusing!

The thing of it is; I just barely bought and assembled a TV Stand and purchased a 40inch TV. The TV i'm looking at that does have HDR is a 50inch; in which I'll need to find the right TV stand for my needs and assemble that LOL! Just a pain is all