Samsung 4K UHD Blu-ray Player UBD-K8500 - Page 62 - Blu-ray Forum

bruceames · 02-12-2016, 05:41 PM

As a non-HDR owner, I haven't changed any settings on my player. They are all default, and the movie looked freakin' great (I am so screwed. Been trying to cut back on purchases but that's out the window now

).

If there is a better setting setup then I'll be glade to make adjustments though. I'll play around with it this weekend, based on what people have been saying.

ray0414 · 02-12-2016, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bruceames.

As a non-HDR owner, I haven't changed any settings on my player. They are all default, and the movie looked freakin' great (I am so screwed. Been trying to cut back on purchases but that's out the window now

).

If there is a better setting setup then I'll be glade to make adjustments though. I'll play around with it this weekend, based on what people have been saying.

The real 4k stuff will be even better. I like what I've seen so far, but these fox movies are more like introductory stuff than the best you'll see soon.

Carlos2992 · 02-12-2016, 06:06 PM

I have a non HDR capable TV. How drastical is the difference between watching material on a HDR and non HDR TV? Wich is the main difference? Can I set the image options on my TV to make the image look like a " HDR image" increasing color, brightness, etc?

Mavrick · 02-12-2016, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlos2992

I have a non HDR capable TV. How drastical is the difference between watching material on a HDR and non HDR TV? Wich is the main difference? Can I set the image options on my TV to make the image look like a " HDR image" increasing color, brightness, etc?

Quick answer is no.

Someone more technically minded should be able to explain the differences, I know what they are but putting it in to easy to understand terms would take me a while.

katiehlvr2 · 02-12-2016, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bruceames.

As a non-HDR owner, I haven't changed any settings on my player. They are all default, and the movie looked freakin' great (I am so screwed. Been trying to cut back on purchases but that's out the window now

).

If there is a better setting setup then I'll be glade to make adjustments though. I'll play around with it this weekend, based on what people have been saying.

Based on what I am seeing, the real only changge you can make is deepcolor set to on or auto?
What other settings are they referring to?

elwaylite · 02-12-2016, 06:10 PM

HDR should be more "spectral highlight" increasing brightness in the required areas, not making the whole screen a flame thrower which would be about your only option on a non HDR panel.

katiehlvr2 · 02-12-2016, 06:33 PM

Does anyone have a checklist of what settings should be used on the samsung uhd player for non hdr tvs?

for uhd and blu ray?

Do we have any confirmation on this yet as to what needs to be selected?

chip75 · 02-12-2016, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlos2992

I have a non HDR capable TV. How drastical is the difference between watching material on a HDR and non HDR TV? Wich is the main difference? Can I set the image options on my TV to make the image look like a " HDR image" increasing color, brightness, etc?

HDR is all about the nits (a nit is basically one candle's worth of light). A HDR set is potentially 5-10 times more luminance than a SDR set (Dolby Vision presentation set hit 4,000 nits (although I don't think current sets hit that high)), so your normal telly just isn't cable of reproducing the brightness levels of a HDR set even if you ramped everything up to maximum.

Penton-Man · 02-12-2016, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam_ME

Ok, I had a chance to test out the 4 UHD titles(Kingsman, The Martian, Exodus, Scorch Trials) I picked up and A-B each one with the Blu-ray

.....I left out one key detail that IS a massive improvement on the UHD copies: the colors. Holy crap, the richness of the colors is incredible! I don't know if it's from....

You shouldn’t be surprised, July 5th color science explained before it later became popularized by copycat tech journalists all over the internet.

Geoff D · 02-12-2016, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

From AVSForum

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Speaking from a non-HDR Tv perspective it is quite outstanding when compared to Blu-ray on the same TV. However, there is a big caveat to that. You can make it look awful or you can make it look great even with very slight changes to the settings. Changes to the settings on the player produce HUGE swings in what the content looks like. You can click the settings one click and suddenly start clipping everything with a Non-HDR TV.

Also the color control changes the color drastically with each step. There is no fine tuning the color with that control. However, you must increase the color to make it look acceptable. I think the player way underestimates REC.709 in order to totally prevent any clipping from happening at all. Basically the safety margin is just too much.

I think there still is a lot of testing to do. Finding the correct color setting to prevent clipping and yet take full advantage of everything a non-HDR TV has to offer is the real trick. We have to do all of that adjustments manually. The nice thing about an HDR TV is that it automatically optimizes everything right from the start.

That's what I was afraid of, some are saying that the SDR transform is a complete and utter crapshoot - and yet there are other people who are saying the SDR output looks fine. Either way, something tells me it's not a scene-dependent conversion. So confoosed.

Agent_DVD · 02-12-2016, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by katiehlvr2

Does anyone have a checklist of what settings should be used on the samsung uhd player for non hdr tvs?

for uhd and blu ray?

Do we have any confirmation on this yet as to what needs to be selected?

I ditto this request... I have limited time to mess around this weekend (darn Valentines Day) so would rather just copy someone else's recommendation and then maybe the following week start playing around.

ronjones · 02-12-2016, 08:28 PM

Has any new Samsung UBD-K8500 owners located discrete remote codes for power on and power off. The Harmony data base for the K8500 only has power toggle.

bruceames · 02-12-2016, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's what I was afraid of, some are saying that the SDR transform is a complete and utter crapshoot - and yet there are other people who are saying the SDR output looks fine. Either way, something tells me it's not a scene-dependent conversion. So confoosed.

I'll check this out more in depth, but I haven't really noticed anything different in the color grade. Perhaps there is a slight difference in brightness/contrast and/or color grade, but nothing that got my attention.

arbormatt · 02-12-2016, 09:33 PM

Just got back from my local Best Buy. I picked up 6 out of the 7 titles. They didn't have any set out and no one had a clue what I was talking about. I ended up telling them to go to the back and look for blu-ray's with black cases.

atlantajoseph · 02-12-2016, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by arbormatt

Just got back from my local Best Buy. I picked up 6 out of the 7 titles. They didn't have any set out and no one had a clue what I was talking about. I ended up telling them to go to the back and look for blu-ray's with black cases.

Glad you got your discs but it's amazing that employees of an electronics store haven't even heard of UHD BD. Not good at all.

carr857 · 02-12-2016, 09:41 PM

anyone found a best buy that will sell the disks in the north dallas areas?

bruceames · 02-12-2016, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by atlantajoseph

Glad you got your discs but it's amazing that employees of an electronics store haven't even heard of UHD BD. Not good at all.

Well to be fair, the players and disc did get released about 2 weeks early and employees probably haven't been briefed on it yet.

Cliff · 02-12-2016, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by raygendreau

Does the Samsung K8500 have an on screen display of video and audio bit rate? If so, what are the bit rates on these new UHD BRs from Fox?

No, it doesn't... and I'm OK with that. Bitrate meters on BD took people from watching movies to watching numbers and judging accordingly. It was one of the things that was most annoying about the "discussions" about Blus.

I'm OK if bitrates never appear on any UHD players. Then people will be forced to discuss the ACTUAL picture and not the theoretical one.

tyrok · 02-12-2016, 09:45 PM

Its going to be awhile for anyone waiting to pick one of these up in a Best Buy store. Supply is constrained until the week of the 21st and those are going to be held for the 2/28 ad. Some stores won't be getting any until some time in March.

bruceames · 02-12-2016, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tyrok

Its going to be awhile for anyone waiting to pick one of these up in a Best Buy store. Supply is constrained until the week of the 21st and those are going to be held for the 2/28 ad. Some stores won't be getting any until some time in March.

Hope that is due to higher than expected demand. In any case, good news at least.

02-12-2016, 05:41 PM	#1221
bruceames Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Nov 2012 Location:Novato, CA 4K collection:15 Blu-ray collection:1337 DVD collection:2 Trading Score:1	As a non-HDR owner, I haven't changed any settings on my player. They are all default, and the movie looked freakin' great (I am so screwed. Been trying to cut back on purchases but that's out the window now ). If there is a better setting setup then I'll be glade to make adjustments though. I'll play around with it this weekend, based on what people have been saying.

02-12-2016, 06:06 PM	#1223
Carlos2992 Expert Member Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Lanus, Argentina Blu-ray collection:911 Trading Score:1	I have a non HDR capable TV. How drastical is the difference between watching material on a HDR and non HDR TV? Wich is the main difference? Can I set the image options on my TV to make the image look like a " HDR image" increasing color, brightness, etc?

02-12-2016, 06:10 PM	#1226
elwaylite Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Mar 2007	HDR should be more "spectral highlight" increasing brightness in the required areas, not making the whole screen a flame thrower which would be about your only option on a non HDR panel.

02-12-2016, 06:33 PM	#1227
katiehlvr2 Expert Member Member since:Mar 2014 Location:Kentucky 4K collection:453 Blu-ray collection:969 Trading Score:376	Does anyone have a checklist of what settings should be used on the samsung uhd player for non hdr tvs? for uhd and blu ray? Do we have any confirmation on this yet as to what needs to be selected?

02-12-2016, 08:28 PM	#1232
ronjones Active Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Ft. Myers, FL	Has any new Samsung UBD-K8500 owners located discrete remote codes for power on and power off. The Harmony data base for the K8500 only has power toggle.

02-12-2016, 09:33 PM	#1234
arbormatt Member Top contributor Member since:Jan 2011 4K collection:64 Blu-ray collection:2500 DVD collection:228 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:5	Just got back from my local Best Buy. I picked up 6 out of the 7 titles. They didn't have any set out and no one had a clue what I was talking about. I ended up telling them to go to the back and look for blu-ray's with black cases.

02-12-2016, 09:41 PM	#1236
carr857 Member Member since:Feb 2016	anyone found a best buy that will sell the disks in the north dallas areas?

02-12-2016, 09:45 PM	#1239
tyrok Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Nov 2014 4K collection:1750 Blu-ray collection:1750	Its going to be awhile for anyone waiting to pick one of these up in a Best Buy store. Supply is constrained until the week of the 21st and those are going to be held for the 2/28 ad. Some stores won't be getting any until some time in March.

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