Unforgiven 4K UHD (1992)

[Scottishguy]

You ever getting an OLED Geoff?

[bruceames]

The amount of natural light in our living room varies widely, so I just use two custom modes, one for daytime and one for night (except for HDR, the settings are the same). But with so many variables (other lights in area as the LR is open to the dining room and kitchen, a skylight, having a full motion wall mount, which allows me to watch from different positions in the room, as well as different viewing distances), it would seem to be a pretty fair challenge for a calibrator. But fortunately, my display has plenty of peak brightness to allow for titles like this to be seen as they were intended, without being dimmed. Nevertheless I would love to have a dedicated dark room for serious movie watching at any time of day.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by bruceames

The amount of natural light in our living room varies widely, so I just use two custom modes, one for daytime and one for night (except for HDR, the settings are the same). But with so many variables (other lights in area as the LR is open to the dining room and kitchen, a skylight, having a full motion wall mount, which allows me to watch from different positions in the room, as well as different viewing distances), it would seem to be a pretty fair challenge for a calibrator. But fortunately, my display has plenty of peak brightness to allow for titles like this to be seen as they were intended, without being dimmed. Nevertheless I would love to have a dedicated dark room for serious movie watching at any time of day.

That's what I mean about HDR though, there's nowhere else for a calibration to go because it's already maxing out. Night/day for SDR makes more sense because of all that relative brightness that's in reserve, but even then we don't really have to "recalibrate" on an official level, just turn the backlight/OLED light up.

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

You ever getting an OLED Geoff?

Not if I can help it.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Not if I can help it.

Can you elaborate please?

[steelman1991]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Did you not turn off the ASBL on your OLED, Colson? That's what's killing the darkness on OLEDs, there's so little little light there that the ASBL is thinking it's a static image and so it dims it to balls.

I have a Loewe OLED, based on an LG Panel - as they all are - and sadly this title is unwatchable. Regrettably nobody knows how to turn off the ASBL on the Loewe's so it's a title I just don't watch. Happens on other "darker" movies as well, oh and Game of Thrones several epsiodes

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Can you elaborate please?

I don't want dimmed peak brightness, near-black chroma problems or any chance of image retention/burn (been there, done that with plasma: my viewing habits are so particular that letterbox bars ended up lodged on the screen). People say that these things aren't a problem for them on their OLEDs and I believe them, but when it comes to TVs then I'm hyper-critical. I'm hoping that my ZD9 stays healthy for long enough to see miniLED or even dual-panel LCD be adopted by Sony, there has yet to be a true successor to the ZD9.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I don't want dimmed peak brightness, near-black chroma problems or any chance of image retention/burn (been there, done that with plasma: my viewing habits are so particular that letterbox bars ended up lodged on the screen). People say that these things aren't a problem for them on their OLEDs and I believe them, but when it comes to TVs then I'm hyper-critical. I'm hoping that my ZD9 stays healthy for long enough to see miniLED or even dual-panel LCD be adopted by Sony, there has yet to be a true successor to the ZD9.

I always had image retention on my plasmas despite being told it would not happen and it was a myth or only a problem with very old models. My biggest issue with OLED would be near black seeing that god-awful vertical banding/bars and perhaps the vignetting. I know for a fact I would see them in dark room viewing (the only way to watch movies IMO). I am VERY sensitive to grey and black uniformity issues.

[bruceames]

Do you guys watch with no bias lighting at all? I do the vast majority of movie watching in near darkness, but with some light on somewhere in a corner. If it's not dark outside yet then I'll watch something less demanding, like sports or an old SDR movie (such as the Marlene Dietrich collection) as natural lighting has less an effect as I'll just up the brightness and the PQ is not the greatest anyways.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I don't want dimmed peak brightness, near-black chroma problems or any chance of image retention/burn (been there, done that with plasma: my viewing habits are so particular that letterbox bars ended up lodged on the screen). People say that these things aren't a problem for them on their OLEDs and I believe them, but when it comes to TVs then I'm hyper-critical. I'm hoping that my ZD9 stays healthy for long enough to see miniLED or even dual-panel LCD be adopted by Sony, there has yet to be a true successor to the ZD9.

LCD is junk. 5000 hours on one of my C8’s. All sorts of programming. Not even a hint of burn in. None of the other problems you’ve mentioned either.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Do you guys watch with no bias lighting at all? I do the vast majority of movie watching in near darkness, but with some light on somewhere in a corner. If it's not dark outside yet then I'll watch something less demanding, like sports or an old SDR movie (such as the Marlene Dietrich collection) as natural lighting has less an effect as I'll just up the brightness and the PQ is not the greatest anyways.

No bias lighting at all. I wants it dark, precious.

[jh901]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

LCD is junk. 5000 hours on one of my C8’s. All sorts of programming. Not even a hint of burn in. None of the other problems you’ve mentioned either.

All panels are merely tv. How is it that such a pro as yourself would pass up throwing light onto screen fabric!? Ya know, the way all of our favorite Director's intended for their films to be viewed.

But yeah, the rationale for LCD over OLED is non-existent.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by jh901

All panels are merely tv. How is it that such a pro as yourself would pass up throwing light onto screen fabric!? Ya know, the way all of our favorite Director's intended for their films to be viewed.

But yeah, the rationale for LCD over OLED is non-existent.

Been there. Done that. I pick OLED over projection.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I don't want dimmed peak brightness, near-black chroma problems or any chance of image retention/burn (been there, done that with plasma: my viewing habits are so particular that letterbox bars ended up lodged on the screen). People say that these things aren't a problem for them on their OLEDs and I believe them, but when it comes to TVs then I'm hyper-critical. I'm hoping that my ZD9 stays healthy for long enough to see miniLED or even dual-panel LCD be adopted by Sony, there has yet to be a true successor to the ZD9.

The bummer about OLED burn-in too is that's cumulative, so if the TV displays 10 minutes of [insert static content, be it network logos, video game HUDs or whatever] per day for a period of 100 days, that's the same as 100 minutes for 10 days. This means that, given enough time, it will develop burn-in regardless, it's just a question of how long it will take.

Now, of course viewing habits come into play here. Depending on what you watch and how you watch it, it may take years before you run into problems, and by then you may well want a new TV anyway. But enough content in a certain aspect ratio, or if you do a lot of gaming (especially genres that have HUDs and other static components all over the place all of the time, like JRPGs or older games in general), then there's a definite risk there.

Each person has to judge for themselves. For some people, their viewing habits are made for OLED, but I'm still unsure if it's for me.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I don't want dimmed peak brightness, near-black chroma problems or any chance of image retention/burn (been there, done that with plasma: my viewing habits are so particular that letterbox bars ended up lodged on the screen). People say that these things aren't a problem for them on their OLEDs and I believe them, but when it comes to TVs then I'm hyper-critical. I'm hoping that my ZD9 stays healthy for long enough to see miniLED or even dual-panel LCD be adopted by Sony, there has yet to be a true successor to the ZD9.

Sony has already sort of entered the miniLED game. Calling it crystal LED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaCh...ature=youtu.be

The problem is blooming will always exist it seems. Even if it's practically non existent, it will still push enthusiasts towards OLED, or some other hypothetical non LED display.

[Noremac Mij]

LED is a very ugly unnatural source of light. It will never ever ever ever never ever never never ever look better than CRT, Plasma, and OLED. Regardless of technology.

[jh901]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

LED is a very ugly unnatural source of light. It will never ever ever ever never ever never never ever look better than CRT, Plasma, and OLED. Regardless of technology.

You did front projection wrong, just for the record. Properly executed, which is rare, there is no substitute. Feature films are shot to be projected onto a relatively large screen fabric. So, sincerely, pitting one 65" panel tech against another is silliness. PS: my Den tv is a VT60 plasma. It is used for....tv.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Do you guys watch with no bias lighting at all? I do the vast majority of movie watching in near darkness, but with some light on somewhere in a corner. If it's not dark outside yet then I'll watch something less demanding, like sports or an old SDR movie (such as the Marlene Dietrich collection) as natural lighting has less an effect as I'll just up the brightness and the PQ is not the greatest anyways.

I watched Dishonored a couple of nights ago, and the grayscale for something made in 1931 is pretty damn fantastic.

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

The bummer about OLED burn-in too is that's cumulative, so if the TV displays 10 minutes of [insert static content, be it network logos, video game HUDs or whatever] per day for a period of 100 days, that's the same as 100 minutes for 10 days. This means that, given enough time, it will develop burn-in regardless, it's just a question of how long it will take.

Now, of course viewing habits come into play here. Depending on what you watch and how you watch it, it may take years before you run into problems, and by then you may well want a new TV anyway. But enough content in a certain aspect ratio, or if you do a lot of gaming (especially genres that have HUDs and other static components all over the place all of the time, like JRPGs or older games in general), then there's a definite risk there.

Each person has to judge for themselves. For some people, their viewing habits are made for OLED, but I'm still unsure if it's for me.

I understand your theory, but I heard similar theories about plasmas. I owned a Kuro for about 10 years with no permanent burn-in issues and after several months owning an OLED, I can clearly see that they are even more resistant to burn in.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

LED is a very ugly unnatural source of light. It will never ever ever ever never ever never never ever look better than CRT, Plasma, and OLED. Regardless of technology.

Your constant hyperbole is very annoying. Do you bait-talk like this in person as well to get the attention you so obviously crave?

[Aliados]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

The bummer about OLED burn-in too is that's cumulative, so if the TV displays 10 minutes of [insert static content, be it network logos, video game HUDs or whatever] per day for a period of 100 days, that's the same as 100 minutes for 10 days. This means that, given enough time, it will develop burn-in regardless, it's just a question of how long it will take.

Dont OLEDs have some sort of software running when you turn off the TV, to get rid of that "cumulative" effect?