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WickyWoo · 05-14-2008, 05:16 AM

I think Penton's dad was Hawkeye Pierce

I guess Hotlips finally came to her senses

Brain Sturgeon · 05-14-2008, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Speaking of surgeries and such, I would like to give you all a special heads-up to this forum member (divedude)…………………….
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...78&postcount=4

He is currently undergoing a round a chemo for esophageal ?sp. cancer soon to be followed by a very complicated surgical procedure in the Dallas area I believe.

So, if you happen to see this expert level diver dude

on any of our threads meandering around…….. please let him know that he is in your thoughts and prayers.

Sorry to hear-- esophageal CA is not a good player. Will keep a spot in my prayers for him.

mhafner · 05-14-2008, 09:37 AM

Any idea what's causing the screen door effect on some HD transfers?
See "Forrest Gump" picture on this page:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...827529&page=60

Josh · 05-14-2008, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

It's been little while now, it just feels recently because I miss him.
He's buried in Arlington National Cemetery with my Mom (an Army nurse wounded taking care of soldiers in...............well, that's a story for another time and another place).

Next time you are in town visiting, give me a call. I'd love to take you out to dinner. Ever been to Cityzen?

Penton-Man · 05-14-2008, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brain Sturgeon

Ah, one of the legends. He and Cooley....

Hollywood really could make a movie.
Imagine devising a classification system (as well as surgical techniques) for a potentially life threatening illness…………………
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aorta_dissection

And then decades later at the age of 97, diagnosing yourself with the same affliction.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/25/he...erland&emc=rss

Penton-Man · 05-14-2008, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

I think Penton's dad was Hawkeye Pierce

I guess Hotlips finally came to her senses

Penton-Man · 05-14-2008, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh

Next time you are in town visiting, give me a call. I'd love to take you out to dinner. Ever been to Cityzen?

Thanks for the invite.
Will do.

Penton-Man · 05-14-2008, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhafner

Any idea what's causing the screen door effect on some HD transfers?
See "Forrest Gump" picture on this page:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...827529&page=60

I don't like to go there ^, unless it's to help out an old friend on that forum like divedude.

However, from your description I would say.........

Life is like a box of master tapes. You never know what you're gonna get.
Seriously, I don’t know anything about that particular title but that artifact is usually secondary to a poor quality telecine transfer or excessive data compression.

horseflesh · 05-14-2008, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh

Next time you are in town visiting, give me a call. I'd love to take you out to dinner. Ever been to Cityzen?

And next time you're in Portmarnock give me a call and we'll go feed the ducks

sj001 · 05-15-2008, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Speaking of surgeries and such, I would like to give you all a special heads-up to this forum member (divedude)…………………….
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...78&postcount=4

He is currently undergoing a round a chemo for esophageal ?sp. cancer soon to be followed by a very complicated surgical procedure in the Dallas area I believe.

So, if you happen to see this expert level diver dude

on any of our threads meandering around…….. please let him know that he is in your thoughts and prayers.

That's very sad to hear, I hope he pulls through, I will keep him in my prayers.

mhafner · 05-15-2008, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I don't like to go there ^, unless it's to help out an old friend on that forum like divedude.

However, from your description I would say.........
Life is like a box of master tapes. You never know what you're gonna get.
Seriously, I don’t know anything about that particular title but that artifact is usually secondary to a poor quality telecine transfer or excessive data compression.

I'm betting on an artifact from an outdated telecine too. Looks like they photographed a LCD screen inside the telecine (which they didn't).

Penton-Man · 05-15-2008, 06:58 PM

I received a few PM’s in regards to DNR, I guess as a result of Bill’s new mission to bring this to the attention of WB and esp. it’s absorbed New Line division.

The predominant question being, “should one use screenshots of people’s faces (i.e. soft) to assess whether there has been *inappropriate* DNR.

Answer –
I would not at all recommend using screenshoots of people’s faces to evaluate for DNR applied during the production of the high definition optical disc, or even “excessive” DNR applied during the DI process as one's only criteria.
Colorists are routinely asked by the filmmaker to “soften” actors’ faces to mask imperfections. Basically, a Gaussian blur is applied to soften the face and often times a luminance key is used in tandem to put a glow on the highlights. An example that you can see on a weekly basis is “Desperate Housewives.”

Really, the only fair way to assess for “excessive” DNR is to look for blurry motion and this takes some experience as one can be fooled with normal film motion blur,
which is a function not just of the frame rate but also the shutter angle in the camera. A wider shutter angle increases the exposure time of each frame thus increasing the motion blur.

Penton-Man · 05-15-2008, 06:59 PM

To the guy that won Winn’s contest:
I’ll try to get your prize (at the least the one I donated to the process), out in the mail sometime in the next 30 days.

I’m just super busy, please be patient.

WickyWoo · 05-15-2008, 07:03 PM

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I would not at all recommend using screenshoots of people’s faces to evaluate for DNR applied during the production of the high definition optical disc, or even “excessive” DNR applied during the DI process as one's only criteria.

Penton, in the case of Pan's Labyrinth, the same DI was used (confirmed) for the UK disc as the US disc, and the faces show remarkable increases in detail (I can link you to a side by side). When we have a DNR'd and non-DNR'd source such as this, that's when we've been using face detail for comparison

Otherwise, I see exactly what you're saying

jkwest · 05-15-2008, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Colorists are routinely asked by the filmmaker to “soften” actors’ faces to mask imperfections. Basically, a Gaussian blur is applied to soften the face and often times a luminance key is used in tandem to put a glow on the highlights. An example that you can see on a weekly basis is “Desperate Housewives.”

Oh poor Teri Hatcher....

Rob Tomlin · 05-15-2008, 08:28 PM

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Rob Tomlin · 05-15-2008, 08:29 PM

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savage1984 · 05-15-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin

And it is painfully obvious that they do this to her.

yeah, who knows I might not recognize her walkin' down the street...

ah, who am I kiddin'? I wouldn't be able to see her beyond the crazy paparazzi and their looney cameras...

WickyWoo · 05-15-2008, 09:58 PM

Quote:

The recent *apparent* big offender in terms of DNR in my opinion was The Golden Compass. Sure enough, it is a New Line release. There is a serious lack of detail in the skin, no texture at all.

People should also keep in mind when looking for the DNR in it that Nicole Kidman is intentionally done up like that. It's a character thing, so she appears far more compromised than she really is

jkwest · 05-15-2008, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin

And it is painfully obvious that they do this to her.

no way!!!

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05-14-2008, 05:16 AM	#3021
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	I think Penton's dad was Hawkeye Pierce I guess Hotlips finally came to her senses

05-14-2008, 09:37 AM	#3023
mhafner Banned Member since:Jul 2007	Any idea what's causing the screen door effect on some HD transfers? See "Forrest Gump" picture on this page: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...827529&page=60

05-15-2008, 06:58 PM	#3032
Penton-Man Retired Hollywood Insider Member since:Apr 2007	I received a few PM’s in regards to DNR, I guess as a result of Bill’s new mission to bring this to the attention of WB and esp. it’s absorbed New Line division. The predominant question being, “should one use screenshots of people’s faces (i.e. soft) to assess whether there has been inappropriate DNR. Answer – I would not at all recommend using screenshoots of people’s faces to evaluate for DNR applied during the production of the high definition optical disc, or even “excessive” DNR applied during the DI process as one's only criteria. Colorists are routinely asked by the filmmaker to “soften” actors’ faces to mask imperfections. Basically, a Gaussian blur is applied to soften the face and often times a luminance key is used in tandem to put a glow on the highlights. An example that you can see on a weekly basis is “Desperate Housewives.” Really, the only fair way to assess for “excessive” DNR is to look for blurry motion and this takes some experience as one can be fooled with normal film motion blur, which is a function not just of the frame rate but also the shutter angle in the camera. A wider shutter angle increases the exposure time of each frame thus increasing the motion blur.

05-15-2008, 06:59 PM	#3033
Penton-Man Retired Hollywood Insider Member since:Apr 2007	To the guy that won Winn’s contest: I’ll try to get your prize (at the least the one I donated to the process), out in the mail sometime in the next 30 days. I’m just super busy, please be patient.

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