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Old 12-16-2012, 01:39 PM   #281
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I honestly don't care either way, in regards to the music. I love LOTR and I loved its score used in this movie. The new theme for the Dwarves ('Misty Mountains'?) was fantastic.

I don't get the pacing complaints at all. Every scene was necessary and there was no wasted screen time. I loved Radagast and the scene where
[Show spoiler] he inspects Dol Guldur. I also expected them to stay in Rivendell for a while, after reading some of the reviews, but they didn't stick around. Not like they did in FOTR. Oh, and I also expected them to spend a couple more minutes in the Shire with Bilbo after the Dwarves had gone. Show him trying to enjoy his usual routine without thinking of the amazing quest he could be embarking on, until he finally breaks down and succumbs to the Took side. But Martin Freeman's facial expressions were masterfully done and you could see it anyway!


Unfortunately, it looks like this film wasn't as successful as everyone hoped. I expected a mob the day after it came out, but our theater was only about 25% occupied.

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Old 12-16-2012, 04:07 PM   #282
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I honestly don't care either way, in regards to the music. I love LOTR and I loved its score used in this movie. The new theme for the Dwarves ('Misty Mountains'?) was fantastic.

I don't get the pacing complaints at all. Every scene was necessary and there was no wasted screen time. I loved Radagast and the scene where
[Show spoiler] he inspects Dol Guldur. I also expected them to stay in Rivendell for a while, after reading some of the reviews, but they didn't stick around. Not like they did in FOTR. Oh, and I also expected them to spend a couple more minutes in the Shire with Bilbo after the Dwarves had gone. Show him trying to enjoy his usual routine without thinking of the amazing quest he could be embarking on, until he finally breaks down and succumbs to the Took side. But Martin Freeman's facial expressions were masterfully done and you could see it anyway!


Unfortunately, it looks like this film wasn't as successful as everyone hoped. I expected a mob the day after it came out, but our theater was only about 25% occupied.
That's because it's on over 4000 screens.
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Old 12-16-2012, 04:20 PM   #283
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It looks like an $85M opening weekend which is weak for this franchise. Estimates off of the midnight showings and Friday numbers had it tracking for $115M or so.
I think the studio is very happy with that opening. It's going to have very good legs.
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Old 12-16-2012, 04:23 PM   #284
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It looks like an $85M opening weekend which is weak for this franchise. Estimates off of the midnight showings and Friday numbers had it tracking for $115M or so.
Probably some people being put off by reviews. Over Christmas it should do decent repeat business. It'll be the lowest grossing out of the four so far.
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Old 12-16-2012, 04:53 PM   #285
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seeing this in two different auditoriums, if there is one thing I note is that sonically it has an immersive sound field with incredible panning and surround effectsbut has been particularly troubled in the bass department. The viewing today has a brand spanking new sound system, but while there is a presence in the low end, it is not driven deep or punching hard, its just there as a noise. So I can not tell if this is an inherent trait of the movie of the owners have a few tweeks to perform overall, I have yet to see another movie so can't judge..

how has the sound been for people here?.

I saw it in a LIE-MAX theater and thought that the surround sound was GREAT. I noticed that some of the prefilm previews had booming base that made me wince(I hate it when the theater makes the base too loud). However I did not have that problem with The Hobbit thankfully. So you might be on to something there regarding the film's low end base.

My theater only had a regular sound system, not the new Dolby Atmos.

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Old 12-16-2012, 05:03 PM   #286
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The only thing that bothered me was the 3D. Saw it 24fps 3D IMAX and besides a couple cool shots of rain and fire adding depth i didn't much care for it.

3D is pretty much only good when the camera is still and you can see all the different depths of field. but when the camera keeps zooming around everywhere for action scenes i just can't quite keep up.

I'm really curious about the 48 fps HFR
and i want to see it again but it sucks it's only in 3D. If i see it again i think it'll be in 2D, where i can enjoy everything and let my eyes sink everything in.
Let me put it this way. I have never been a big fan of 3D, but after seeing it in 48-FPS I am officially on the 3D bandwagon now! ONLY as long as its in 48-FPS. You can really appreciate the 3D a lot more now, as it does not look fake like regular 3D.

The difference between regular 3D and 48-HFR 3D is night and day.

Its a 'game changer' for sure, and it is definitely here to stay, once poeple become acclimated to it.


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Old 12-16-2012, 05:07 PM   #287
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Probably some people being put off by reviews. Over Christmas it should do decent repeat business. It'll be the lowest grossing out of the four so far.
That is possible but i am betting otherwise. Unless you are adjusting for inflation I believe this will end up as the highest grossing film in the franchise both North AMer. and Internationally . I see this doing about $400 million here in north america and at least another 850 million wolrldwide. So it should do at least 1.25 billion.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:13 PM   #288
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Probably some people being put off by reviews. Over Christmas it should do decent repeat business. It'll be the lowest grossing out of the four so far.

Hey Foggy, have you seen it yet?


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That is possible but i am betting otherwise. Unless you are adjusting for inflation I believe this will end up as the highest grossing film in the franchise both North AMer. and Internationally . I see this doing about $400 million here in north america and at least another 850 million wolrldwide. So it should do at least 1.25 billion.

Maybe they need to put directed by James Cameron on the movie posters. LOL

I just think that when word spreads about the 48-FPS and people become acclimated to it after a couple of showings it should pick up and have good legs.

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Old 12-16-2012, 05:14 PM   #289
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That is possible but i am betting otherwise. Unless you are adjusting for inflation I believe this will end up as the highest grossing film in the franchise both North AMer. and Internationally . I see this doing about $400 million here in north america and at least another 850 million wolrldwide. So it should do at least 1.25 billion.
It's just got a lot of competition. Filmic people will be watching Django, we've got a Tom Cruise film, Les Miserable has a lot of resonance with people and Zero Dark Thirty is getting a lot of buzz (although the wide release has been pushed back for this now). The Hobbit shouldn't have a problem wafting them off, but they'll be gnawing at its ankles enough to give it unsteady legs, plus the fact I've not really heard people say this is one that'll be getting repeat viewing from them a lot.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:16 PM   #290
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Hey Foggy, have you seen it yet?
Not yet I'm afraid, been fighting off an illness and coming back from Uni this weekend. My plan is to watch it Tuesday and hopefully in 48 fps.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:22 PM   #291
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Not yet I'm afraid, been fighting off an illness and coming back from Uni this weekend. My plan is to watch it Tuesday and hopefully in 48 fps.
OK. Get well. And I hope that you are feeling better real soon.

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Old 12-16-2012, 11:04 PM   #292
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Exclusive: Hobbit Deleted Scenes Info as revealed by McKellen and Jackson...



And Ernest, great news! Some of it is more Great Goblin that Jackson left out that he thinks is quite funny.

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Old 12-16-2012, 11:09 PM   #293
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Saw it yesterday. 11:30AM showing. I loved it. Went to Barnes & Noble afterwards and bought the Special Edition of the Score (getting 40% off helped as well.) Can't wait to see parts 2 and 3.
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Old 12-16-2012, 11:19 PM   #294
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We now live in a world where an 85 million dollar opening weekend isn't very good?
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We now live in a world where an 85 million dollar opening weekend isn't very good?
Makes about as much sense as a Goblin King is who is supposed to be very funny.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:00 AM   #296
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Not going to read any posts till I see the film tomorrow. I see AMC is playing it on 3 screens in a theater near me; 2D, 3D & IMAX 3D. I called to ask which was 48 fps & the girl didn't know wtf I was talking about. I has her ask the projectionist & manager & after a hold the girl came back on & said her manager says: "We didn't get that."

So, YMMV but, many theater probably do not offer 48 fps. I wonder how many people will see it in 3D & assume, incorrectly, they saw 48 fps when they actually saw 24fps?

Edit: Just found this:
http://www.48fpsmovies.com/48-fps-theater-list/

Apologies if it is already mentioned but, don't want any spoilers & I know some don't use spoiler tags.

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Old 12-17-2012, 12:17 AM   #297
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[Show spoiler]Did anyone see Bolg in Thej Hobbit? I see him listed on IMDB, but I didn't see him anywhere.
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Saw it yesterday. 11:30AM showing. I loved it. Went to Barnes & Noble afterwards and bought the Special Edition of the Score (getting 40% off helped as well.) Can't wait to see parts 2 and 3.
How much was it after the discount? Amazon has it for $21 and Best Buy for $23. (rounded up). I want to get that edition since it has 6 more tracks.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:35 AM   #299
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I finally saw the movie for the first time today and made a few observations.
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As most forum members are aware, The Hobbit was originally written for children, but due to its popularity became the springboard for The Lord of the Rings. Tolkien made a superficial revision to the Hobbit story to make the Ring the unifying element with The Lord of the Rings, and wrote a more substantial chapter, "The Quest of Erebor", to be used in the LotR Appendices, but this was omitted from the final publication. Later, he attempted a complete revision of The Hobbit to give the text the same adult "feel" and seriousness as LotR, but quickly abandoned this effort. So I was curious to see if Peter Jackson could successfully integrate the story of The Hobbit into his Lord of the Rings movies and the overall scheme of Middle-earth - an area that even Tolkien feared to tread.

The result was mixed.

Prologue:

There were some excellent scenes here, but they could have done so much more. It was nice to see Ian Holm and Elijah Wood reprising their role as the elder Bilbo and Frodo, but I felt their inclusion was not vital and the time could have been more wisely invested.
The Erebor and Dale sets were simply amazing and set a high bar early in the film. And then the Elvish army appeared. WTF??? I won't even try to guess how the coming of the dragon was a big surprise to everyone; everyone that is, except the Elves who had time to assemble an army, march from Mirkwood to the Lonely Mountain, decide that they didn't want to fight - and then go home. Although the Elves in this film are more "convincing" as Elves than they were in LotR, don't put them in this scene! The reason for the discord between the Elves and Dwarves goes far back in time beyond this story, and for a much more important reason - the Silmaril, which is the unifying thread of the entire Middle-earth saga. Wrong turn, Pete! Anyway, with all of the additional material available, there is far more that could have done with the prologue.

An Unexpected Party:

For the most part this was well done. Martin Freeman is a convincing Bilbo, and of course it was great to see Ian McKellen reprise his role as Gandalf. With all of the effort expended in its construction, I was hoping to see more of Hobbiton, which was also my favorite set piece in the LotR movies. One improvement of the movie compared to the book is the inclusion of personalities for the dwarves. In the book, only Thorin, Balin, Bombur, and perhaps Fili and Kili are given any real personality. Who remembers anything from the book about Nori, Bifur, Bofur, Oin, etc.? Although Jackson's dwarves are not exactly my idea of what they would have been like, I applaud his attempt to make them somewhat interesting. Most of this section was entertaining, I enjoyed the "Chip the glasses and crack the plates" song as well as the "Far over the Misty Mountains cold" song, which apparently was the basis of dwarven theme song. There are a few parts of the book I would like to have seen included, for example, instead of the scene where Bilbo simply looks out his window, consider the passage from the book:

"He looked out the window. The stars were out in a dark sky above the trees. He thought of the jewels of the dwarves shining in dark caverns. Suddenly in the wood beyond The Water a flame leapt up - probably somebody lighting a wood-fire - and he thought of plundering dragons settling on his quiet Hill and kindling it all to flames. He shuddered; and very quickly he was plain Mr. Baggins of Bag End, Under-Hill again."

There were many details similar to this associated with the story as a result of having read the text many times (e.g. the red lamp hanging above the map table, etc.) that I was hoping to see in the extra time allotted for three films. Anyway, for the most part we are off to a good beginning.

Roast Mutton:

This was mostly a good section of the movie, but not without caveats. I enjoyed seeing the dwarves, Bilbo, and Gandalf riding ponies on the adventure, and the scene with the Trolls was OK, although again, it did not have the "feel" of the book. The flashback to the Battle of Azanulbizar was one of the more convincing battles, with the exception of a key character, Azog the goblin, who in my opinion looked like a bad CGI character from a video game. I appreciate the inclusion of Radagast, but was left wondering why Jackson constantly needs to over-dramatize stories, as he did in the LotR movies and King Kong, to their detriment. Would Radagast - a representative sent from Valinor by Eru [God] - have been that nutty?

A Short Rest:

The scenery here is outstanding, with 3D put to excellent use. However, the situation where the dwarves are "hunted' (?) by the orcs seemed contrived, as did the confrontation between Thorin and the Elves, and in my mind these plot twists were totally unnecessary. It was great to revisit Rivendell, although I was hoping to get the feel of "the Last Homely House west of the Mountains" as described in the book. As a minimum, I thought Jackson would give us a peak at The Hall of Fire, one of the most desirable places in Middle-earth, but anyway, we were rewarded with even more detailed exterior scenes of Rivendell than were present in LotR. The inclusion of "Figwit" was somewhat humorous, and I thought Elrond's reading of the moon-runes on the map was well done. And then, one of the big moments I had been waiting for - the White Council. Sure, it was great (and worth the price of the movie) to see Cate Blanchett reprise her role as Galadriel. But here was Jackson's chance to make some serious ties with the rest of the Middle-earth saga - that he let slip away. The White Council was a major event to decide what action to take concerning "The Necromancer", who of course was Sauron. Important characters omitted from the movie most likely would have been there: Cirdan from the Gray Havens, Radagast, Celeborn (as the "wisest of the Elves in Middle-earth"), Elrond's chief councilor Erestor, Glorfindel, etc. ...in other words, most of the roster of the "good guys" in Middle-earth. To add insult to injury, in the film version Saruman objects to taking action against Dol Guldur, which is counter to the actual story. Anyway, moving on...

Over Hill and Under Hill

Again, spectacular scenery and good CGI stone giants. The Goblin-town sequence started out good, but became bogged down in excess. At the expense of sounding like a broken record, this section is another example of needless over-dramatization. Was the "Bilbo hanging over the cliff" scene necessary? I wouldn't have been surprised if Sam showed up to rescue him, as he rescued Frodo at the Crack of Doom. And the Dwarves' series of amazing escapes from the orcs started out entertaining, but then there was more, and more, and... we get the idea. Just like King Kong, if a battle with one T-Rex is good, two has to be better, and three, well...

Riddles in the Dark

This was one of the best parts of the movie, despite the inconsistency between the finding of the Ring in the Fellowship prologue and this movie. I think Tolkien himself would have been impressed by Andy Serkis' performance. The well-acted scene where Bilbo (while invisible) spares Gollum's life, is perhaps the most important scene in the movie, as it illustrates the key human attribute of pity (compassion).

Out of the Frying Pan and Into the Fire

For the most part this was OK, although (again) the over-dramatized scene of the dwarves falling from tree to tree strained credibility. The wargs in The Hobbit are more convincing than their counterparts in The Two Towers. The rescue scene with the Eagles was my favorite scene of the movie. Although the final shot with the Lonely Mountain seemed premature, I'm not sure in what other manner the movie could have ended and still left the audience anticipating the second part.

With the exception of the dwarven theme, I felt that the musical score for this film was underwhelming. I understand that many of the LotR themes were used to tie the films together, but after a while, this just seemed "lazy".

The bottom line is that, similar to the LotR movies, The Hobbit excels when Jackson stays closer to the original text. But, despite my criticisms, I nonetheless did enjoy this film, highly recommend it, and look forward to the second part of the trilogy.

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How much was it after the discount? Amazon has it for $21 and Best Buy for $23. (rounded up). I want to get that edition since it has 6 more tracks.

With tax it came out to $15.43. The discount came from a 30% off coupon I got through their email and my 10% membership discount on top of that. B&N.com does have it for $19.99.
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