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View Poll Results: Should SPE Drop Dolby TrueHD and use DTS-HD Master Audio?
Yes, Drop TrueHD for DTS-HD MA 899 58.76%
No, I like things the way they are 152 9.93%
Wouldn't matter to me either way 450 29.41%
Other 29 1.90%
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Old 06-01-2009, 09:56 PM   #801
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I mean really you act like you need a degree in engineering to figure out how to get around these so-called TrueHD 'issues.' Once you are aware of them, its a couple of buttons on the remote. And the only reason I have to turn DRC off is because my Onkyo does not store the user setting for this option. Many other AVRs do remember the setting. My PS3 remembers its DRC setting.
Here it is again with the "Just Turn it Off" response. It can be quite a bit more involved than just pushing a button (see my post a couple pages back regarding DRC and Denon AVRs).

Is it a huge deal? For audiophiles probably not. For the average consumer you bet it is. Why in the hell would Denon (or Dolby) make it more difficult than it has to be to even find the setting, let alone shut it off? It just doesn't make sense, and like it or not, this is a complete non-issue with DTS.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 09:58 PM   #802
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Wow. "...rip Dolby apart..."

I think you missed a few posts back there.

Anyway, nobody "slides". It's a problem; it needs to get fixed; and it's not endemic.
Will it ever get fixed? They fixed this with most of the problem disc on the PS3 long ago. I doubt it will ever get fixed on your player at this point.

So plugging your speakers in worked? Now come to find out you were not hearing anything... LOL...
 
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Here it is again with the "Just Turn it Off" response. It can be quite a bit more involved than just pushing a button (see my post a couple pages back regarding DRC and Denon AVRs).

Is it a huge deal? For audiophiles probably not. For the average consumer you bet it is. Why in the hell would Denon (or Dolby) make it more difficult than it has to be to even find the setting, let alone shut it off? It just doesn't make sense, and like it or not, this is a complete non-issue with DTS.

Don't the Denons remember the DRC setting? A few discs might be set to default to ON, but with the Onkyos TrueHD sends it to AUTO and then most discs are set to use the LOW setting.

Again this is more of a hardware implementation issue. It is up to the AVR makers to properly implement DRC setting to remember the user preference.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 10:07 PM   #804
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It's called a Harmony 880 and I have DRC button on my first page for my 'Watch Blu-ray Activity'. Basically if its a TrueHD track. I send the DRC command once. And viola... no DRC to worry about. For someone claiming to be in the engineering world, you would think a work around or two would not be that daunting
My friend, if it wasn't for engineers tiring of "work-arounds", you would be starting your car like this:

Prime the carburetor
Retard the spark
Open the choke
Turn the crank
Advance the spark
Close the choke
Set the throttle

Now you can sit in your living room and start your car, so it's nice and toasty on those chilly mornings. With heated seats. Or the air conditioning has cooled it down, if it's hot outside.

Work-arounds are directly connected to "f**kups", a term I used earlier.

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Hope you are having fun also.
Fun is the ultimate purpose of breathing.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 10:08 PM   #805
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Here it is again with the "Just Turn it Off" response. It can be quite a bit more involved than just pushing a button (see my post a couple pages back regarding DRC and Denon AVRs).

Is it a huge deal? For audiophiles probably not. For the average consumer you bet it is. Why in the hell would Denon (or Dolby) make it more difficult than it has to be to even find the setting, let alone shut it off? It just doesn't make sense, and like it or not, this is a complete non-issue with DTS.
If you've been following the other posts here, you will have seen that there are similar challenges with DTS implementation - challenges that cannot be overcome by any user intervention.

7.1 soundtracks are downmixed to 5.1.

5.1 soundtracks are output as 7.1, where you can't listen to the mix as intended or use a better matrix processor such as PLIIx or Logic7 instead of the lame channel duplication that DTS mandates.

I am perplexed why so many ardent DTS proponents seemingly ignore these DTS zits while lambasting Dolby's shortcomings.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 10:12 PM   #806
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Will it ever get fixed? They fixed this with most of the problem disc on the PS3 long ago. I doubt it will ever get fixed on your player at this point.

So plugging your speakers in worked? Now come to find out you were not hearing anything... LOL...
I found out about it maybe three hours ago...calm down, man, you're drenched in sweat.

The voices...in my head...remember the voices...

Actually, I leave my receiver in "Auto-Surround" mode, which detects PCM signals and applies PLIIx to anything not already set to run 7.1. If it's PCM 7.1, it runs in Pure Direct mode - straight PCM.

I only do this for my wife, who picked out the Mythos Eights I use for rear surrounds, and who likes getting her money's worth.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 10:14 PM   #807
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If you've been following the other posts here, you will have seen that there are similar challenges with DTS implementation - challenges that cannot be overcome by any user intervention.

7.1 soundtracks are downmixed to 5.1.

5.1 soundtracks are output as 7.1, where you can't listen to the mix as intended or use a better matrix processor such as PLIIx or Logic7 instead of the lame channel duplication that DTS mandates.

I am perplexed why so many ardent DTS proponents seemingly ignore these DTS zits while lambasting Dolby's shortcomings.
Sound quality, mostly.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 10:15 PM   #808
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Actually, I leave my receiver in "Auto-Surround" mode, which detects PCM signals and applies PLIIx to anything not already set to run 7.1. If it's PCM 7.1, it runs in Pure Direct mode - straight PCM.
Except, of course, when the DTS decoder fails to output the 7.1 that was on the disc.
 
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My friend, if it wasn't for engineers tiring of "work-arounds", you would be starting your car like this:

Prime the carburetor
Retard the spark
Open the choke
Turn the crank
Advance the spark
Close the choke
Set the throttle


Now you can sit in your living room and start your car, so it's nice and toasty on those chilly mornings. With heated seats. Or the air conditioning has cooled it down, if it's hot outside.

Work-arounds are directly connected to "f**kups", a term I used earlier.



Fun is the ultimate purpose of breathing.
I can't do above with the click of one button on my Harmony.

As far as dts throwing channels away, it is the equivalent of building a V8 with a distributor cap designed for a six cylinder.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 10:17 PM   #810
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You are assuming the channels were not just thrown away? How do you know? How do you really know?
My neighbors told me. They hear everything.
 
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Sound quality, mostly.
dts ROCKS THE HOUSE said the fanboi
 
Old 06-01-2009, 10:18 PM   #812
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Except, of course, when the DTS decoder fails to output the 7.1 that was on the disc.
Firmware time, eh? Thank goodness...I thought a comet was going to hit us, or something.
 
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When does anyone in this thread find time to eat/sleep/work?!?!?!
 
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dts ROCKS THE HOUSE said the fanboi
Adios, my friend.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 10:20 PM   #815
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When does anyone in this thread find time to eat/sleep/work?!?!?!
I had to work this weekend...comp day.
 
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Firmware time, eh? Thank goodness...I thought a comet was going to hit us, or something.
You cannot seriously treat DRC and DialNorm as if they're the end of the world when simple USER adjustments can be made to "fix" the problem and then act like the lost channels on DTS tracks are nothing. If they haven't done it already, they're probably not going to be able to fix that issue on certain players, making it permanent for you until you spend the money on a new player.

If those channels aren't lost, you should know that most of the discrete sounds coming from those channels are then LOCKED in the side channels (at least that's what's happened with the demo's I've tried). Applying PLIIx will NOT result in the same sound you'd get from a working 7.1 track.
 
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Well, Iron Man, for one, but that horse is so dead that even hooking up jumper cables to his 'nads won't make him flinch.

I've got some misgivings about the following:

Transformers
The Dark Knight (probably the mix)
Shooter
Underworld: Rise of the Lycans
Reign of Fire

I haven't watched these since finding out about the DRC debacle, maybe they're OK. Oh, the things we do for Blu...
Shooter (DD) and Reign of Fire (LPCM) did not have TrueHD tracks.

I wonder if those forum members that are so forgiving of TrueHD with DRC because you can just "turn it off" would be as forgiving if something similar was applied to the video codec.

What if all VC-1 encodes had DNR applied as a default? Sure you could just turn it off with your player, but it would forced on you otherwise. Something tells me that there would be less a forgiving outlook on meddling, if vc-1 had this "feature" while avc didn't have it at all.
 
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Shooter (DD) and Reign of Fire (LPCM) did not have TrueHD tracks.

I wonder if those forum members that are so forgiving of TrueHD with DRC because you can just "turn it off" would be as forgiving if something similar was applied to the video codec.

What if all VC-1 encodes had DNR applied as a default? Sure you could just turn it off with your player, but it would forced on you otherwise. Something tells me that there would be less a forgiving outlook on meddling, if vc-1 had this "feature" while avc didn't have it at all.
I think the reason we're forgiving is because IT HAPPENED ONE TIME ON IRON MAN! Again, it wasn't even a Sony title. Just like Sony doesn't DialNorm their TrueHD tracks.

Why are DTS fanboys forgiving when DTS had bitstream bombs (though that was related to hardware issues), has improper metadata, "hot" mixes and other issues as well?
 
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Shooter (DD) and Reign of Fire (LPCM) did not have TrueHD tracks.
My apologies - I'm doing this from memory, and I had issue with their sound.
 
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I think the reason we're forgiving is because IT HAPPENED ONE TIME ON IRON MAN! Again, it wasn't even a Sony title. Just like Sony doesn't DialNorm their TrueHD tracks.

Why are DTS fanboys forgiving when DTS had bitstream bombs (though that was related to hardware issues), has improper metadata, "hot" mixes and other issues as well?
What's up with all the "fanboy" namecalling? I don't get it.

What's really odd is the fact that I for one - who has stated repeatedly that if that DRC and Dialnorm were taken off Blu discs - wouldn't have a problem with Dolby at all.

Is this just an opportunity to start a food fight or something?
 
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