Scream Factory Blu-ray Discussion Thread

[Justtoview]

Originally Posted by Talyn

It's not exactly his call to make anyways....he wanted Ms. 45 (or was it something else?) and the powers that be said nay despite his persistent attempts to sway them....

Oh, ok. Well, that makes more sense.

[Frightener22]

"Prom Night II" has always had my support! I do hope that Cliff and the Scream Factory gang reconsider it because it really is a fun little flick.

[Talyn]

Originally Posted by Frightener22

"Prom Night II" has always had my support! I do hope that Cliff and the Scream Factory gang reconsider it because it really is a fun little flick.

I believe in that (Prom Night II) so much I'd order more than 1 copy, more like 3-5. I have friends and family who aren't as, in-the-know, about bluray releases as I am...let alone knowing to visit a forum like this.

[spawningblue]

Originally Posted by RiFiFi1955

I know! except Cliff...but man I haven't seen so many requests for a title from fans as this one...Cliff might just have to change his mind on this one. I actually have never seen it myself, I have the DVD but have never gotten around to watching it, I think I might have to get on that soon.

Same. If it doesn't get announced for a Blu any time soon, I just may have to throw my disc in. I have the 3 and 4 double feature as well that I haven't got around to watching yet either. I thought the first Prom Night was pretty bad so I was in no rush, but I've heard they are all quite different and stand on their own. Part 2 is apparently a decent Carrie rip off while 3 and 4 are just fun cheese.

Originally Posted by MattFini

I am appealing to Cliff to reconsider PROM NIGHT IIand HOWLING II.

C'mon Scream Factory, make it so!

I would LOVE to see Howling 2 get a Blu release! I have pioneered for this one for a while but it doesn't sound too promising. It's too bad really as I think if more people saw it they would release that it is one of the best "so bad it's good" films, sitting up there with Troll 2, Burial Ground and Pieces.

[NoirFan]

Originally Posted by Frightener22

"Prom Night II" has always had my support! I do hope that Cliff and the Scream Factory gang reconsider it because it really is a fun little flick.

I'd buy it as well, although I am fully in Cliff's corner when it comes to Howling II. That thing is an abomination!

[tonylopez]

Originally Posted by Talyn

It's not exactly his call to make anyways....he wanted Ms. 45 (or was it something else?) and the powers that be said nay despite his persistent attempts to sway them....

Your right, it was Ms. 45. Ultimately its Cliff having to justify a title to the investors which can be really difficult considering the subject matter of the film.

[NoirFan]

Originally Posted by zbinks

Realistically, I think there've been roughly 15, maybe 20, unique requests for Prom Night II (sorry redrunner97 and psychocinderellax, I'm not counting your many requests/demands individually ). I admire the passion, but I don't think that's enough to outweigh actual DVD sales data that is available to Cliff.

An extremely sound statement - one could substitute several titles for Prom Night II in that sentence, and it would be no less true or apt.

[RiFiFi1955]

I personally think(by no mean does this make it so) that things can sell quite differently though through different marketing. For example Prom Night 2 might not of sold well when MGM released it on DVD but if introduced to the Scream Factory line and found a larger market of horror fans maybe the sales wouldn't be that bad. I think past data can only tell you so much really, different things find new homes at different times. That being said going against past data is a gamble too, there is the chance that the sales curve stays the same so I can see the risk involved and the hesitation to go against past data.

[YouGotMeFeelingBlu]

Do they, by chance, sell Scream Factory releases at Walmart?

[WildWestWar]

i would eat up a prom night 2 release and howling 2 release

really good sequels.

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by YouGotMeFeelingBlu

Do they, by chance, sell Scream Factory releases at Walmart?

never seen one...

[neoz]

Originally Posted by YouGotMeFeelingBlu

Do they, by chance, sell Scream Factory releases at Walmart?

Nope. I've only seen them at FYE and online.

[Hellraiserfan]

Originally Posted by NoirFan

I'd buy it as well, although I am fully in Cliff's corner when it comes to Howling II. That thing is an abomination!

Damn true!

It's not even so bad it's good, it's just a piece of shit. Hell, a lot of horror films some people are wanting on Blu-ray here are crap.

[zbinks]

I did this before in the Blue Underground thread and I'll do something similar here.

IMDB.com keeps track of the number of registered users that claim to have seen a movie and have assigned it a rating. There are apparently over 42 million registered users, so the sample size is large enough to give a pretty good indication on how popular a film really is.

Scream Factory films with prior DVD releases in the US:

1. Halloween II -31,968 users
2. Halloween III: Season of the Witch - 18,793 users
3. Terror Train - 4,079 users
4. The Funhouse - 5,858 users
5. The Island - 1,873 users**
6. They Live - 41,341 users
7. The Nest - 626 users*
8. Phantasm II - 6,334 users
9. From Beyond - 8,537 users
10. The Vampire Lovers - 2,329 users
11. The Burning - 5,968 users
12. Lifeforce - 9,572 users
13. The Incredible Melting Man - 2,123 users**
14. The Howling - 14,896 users
15. The Fog - 29,809 users
16. Swamp Thing - 6,054 users
17. Day of the Dead - 34,210 users
18. Night of the Comet - 8,108 users

*The Nest's previous DVD release was via New Concorde, not MGM. It was also a full frame transfer.
**The Island and The Incredible Melting Man were only available as MOD DVD-Rs.

Released Scream Factory films without prior DVD releases in the US

1. Death Valley - 523 users
2. Deadly Blessing - 1,752 users
3. TerrorVision - 2,078 users
4. The Video Dead - 1,196 users
5. Prison - 1,711 users

Unreleased Scream Factory films without prior DVD releases in the US

1. The Town That Dreaded Sundown - 1,560 users
2. The Evictors - 303 users
3. Ninja III: The Domination - 1,513 users
4. Dead Souls - 83 users
5. Hospital Massacre - 337 users
6. Scanners II: The New Order - 1,351 users
7. Scanners III: The Takeover - 890 users
8. The Horror Show - 1,579 users
9. The Vagrant - 379 users
10. Schizoid - 168 users
11. The Godsend - 243 users
12. Cockneys vs. Zombies - 5,079 users

Other titles with prior DVD releases:

1. Hello Mary Lou: Prom Night II - 1,970 users
2. Howling II: ... Your Sister Is a Werewolf - 3,310 users
3. Motel Hell - 4,213 users
4. The Amityville Horror - 18,516 users
5. Amityville II: The Possession - 5,061 users
6. Amityville 3-D - 2,954 users

Notes: This is not sales data, though I think it may be a good indicator to what the sales potential for a given title might be.

Newer films can tend to skew significantly higher than older films. IMDB.com's user demographics skew heavily to demographics that are ages 45 and under. Films that appeal to an older demographic may not be as well represented on IMDB.com as films that appeal to a younger fanbase.

Films with previous DVD/Blu-Ray releases will skew higher than films that don’t as that as they have greater exposure in the age of the internet.

[benricci]

Originally Posted by RiFiFi1955

I personally think(by no mean does this make it so) that things can sell quite differently though through different marketing. For example Prom Night 2 might not of sold well when MGM released it on DVD but if introduced to the Scream Factory line and found a larger market of horror fans maybe the sales wouldn't be that bad. I think past data can only tell you so much really, different things find new homes at different times. That being said going against past data is a gamble too, there is the chance that the sales curve stays the same so I can see the risk involved and the hesitation to go against past data.

There's over 25 years of sell-through and rental figures for Prom Night 2. I think that's more than sufficient data for any home video company to forecast future sales.

[RiFiFi1955]

Originally Posted by benricci

There's over 25 years of sell-through and rental figures for Prom Night 2. I think that's more than sufficient data for any home video company to forecast future sales.

yeah you're probably right...but if Scream Factory keeps on getting more fans many of these fans will buy titles just because they are released as a Scream Factory title. Criterion for instance, many of their titles would be much weaker seller's if they weren't released through Criterion...sooooo many people will buy(or at very least check out) a title much more easily if it is in the Criterion Collection.

[dissention]

Love the From Beyond disc.

The film looks gorgeous and the interview with Barbara Crampton is a treat; she's so refreshingly gung-ho about her work. Loved her answer to whatever happened to Katherine: "She's probably in an insane asylum. No, Reagan kicked her out, she's on the street. Begging for money." Why isn't this woman being utilized in more movies?

[Dex Robinson]

Originally Posted by YouGotMeFeelingBlu

Do they, by chance, sell Scream Factory releases at Walmart?

They certainly do in Canada. I've seen TERROR TRAIN, THE ISLAND, THE FUNHOUSE and DEADLY BLESSING at Walmart up here. I've haven't seen all of their releases at Walmart...but a respectable number.

These are surprisingly easy to find at B&Ms in Winnipeg. HMV (which I know doesn't operate in the U.S.) stocks a lot of them.

[Member-222782]

Originally Posted by RiFiFi1955

yeah you're probably right...but if Scream Factory keeps on getting more fans many of these fans will buy titles just because they are released as a Scream Factory title. Criterion for instance, many of their titles would be much weaker seller's if they weren't released through Criterion...sooooo many people will buy(or at very least check out) a title much more easily if it is in the Criterion Collection.

I agree with this 100%. Film fans today are much more discerning and expect high quality from even the lowest-budget exploitation release for their money. How many copies of SPARTACUS has Universal sold on Blu-ray versus how many people have decided to hang onto their Criterion DVD and just wait for the Criterion edition Blu? I don't claim to have any inside knowledge of sales numbers but I'd wager that very few people took the dive for the Universal. I believe the same principle could apply to something like PROM NIGHT II. Maybe people passed on the Fox DVD because it was bare-bones. Some people may have passed because it didn't have the original art on the cover, whatever the reason. It doesn't mean the film doesn't have many fans. I think if Shout were to release a Blu of the film with special features they would sell quite a bit of copies. People want quality for their money and that's what they'll pay for.

[WesReviews]

Originally Posted by zbinks

Released Scream Factory films without prior DVD releases in the US

1. Death Valley - 523 users
2. The Island - 1,873 users
3. Deadly Blessing - 1,752 users
4. TerrorVision - 2,078 users
5. The Video Dead - 1,196 users
6. Prison - 1,711 users

The Island had a MOD DVD-R release by Universal.