Any chance you can share what some of those are? I'd love to know what titles you'd love to release, but won't because you know they're unlikely to make any money.
I feel the same way, though I'll admit I'm still unsure about "Dead Souls" and "Cockneys vs. Zombies". Something about those two still keeps me from being super excited for them...
I'll probably still pick them up. I think Cockney vs. Zombies looks pretty good actually. Dead Souls I'm not sure about but I'll give it a chance. I don't want to have an incomplete collection . Even the titles that I didn't love like The Video Dead, I'm still happy to have it as part of my collection, and I wouldn't have seen it any other way. The extras were fun, and the cover art is great!
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Many of my favorites don't pass the test either. I have to pick titles that will make back the money we put into them.
So even some of my favorites will never come out.
That must hurt a little? Releasing all of these great horror titles but not able to release all of the ones you REALLY want. I'm curious to know what titles as well, wasn't Ms. 45 was one of them?
As has been previously stated, the audience for this film has grown quite a bit over the years. I bet sales of Troll 2 weren't hot when it was first released either. Again there is a reason why all of these films have been hitting Blu lately (Miami Connection, Manos, Troll 2, Burial Ground, The Room, ect.), people love to get together and have a good laugh and these films are a great way to do it. These films are hot right now, you can't judge an audience for a film presently by how well it sold 8 years ago!
And Movie-Brat, we get it you don't like the film, if it ever gets released just don't buy it, and let all of us who do enjoy it pick it up. What's the big deal? It's not like The Video Dead, Incredible Melting Man, ect. are all horror masterpieces. Personally I will buy anything Scream releases but you don't have to. Lots of people don't like some of the choices Scream have made and lots love the choices Scream have made. You can't please everyone.
It's not people liking it that's the problem, my problem is that it sounds like to me the "So bad, it's good" stuff is all people want to see released. At least the Vincent Price stuff is getting a Blu-Ray release, that's good news to me. It's just that there's obviously better stuff out but there are two problems, people don't seem to like the good stuff and whatever is good, it just didn't sell.
It's not people liking it that's the problem, my problem is that it sounds like to me the "So bad, it's good" stuff is all people want to see released. At least the Vincent Price stuff is getting a Blu-Ray release, that's good news to me. It's just that there's obviously better stuff out but there are two problems, people don't seem to like the good stuff and whatever is good, it just didn't sell.
I think you're missing the point, honestly. It's not that that's all that people want to see released, it's just that those types of movies deserve to be released too for their fans, and a lot of people in this thread seem to agree with that notion.
I think you're missing the point, honestly. It's not that that's all that people want to see released, it's just that those types of movies deserve to be released too for their fans, and a lot of people in this thread seem to agree with that notion.
They want it, fine. Again, it just gives me that impression. And Cliff has a point, if something like Howling II didn't sell well the first time, how will it sell now?
They want it, fine. Again, it just gives me that impression. And Cliff has a point, if something like Howling II didn't sell well the first time, how will it sell now?
I think it amounts to this: The Blu-Ray format is currently still not seeing a great deal of classic horror releases, and Scream Factory is becoming a powerful brand in horror with a dedicated following. The Howling II is getting more and more notorious for being "so bad, it's good", and to a lesser extent, so is The Howling III. A Double Feature Blu-Ray release for those two films could see at least decent sales, if done well. Not saying it's definitely going to sell, of course, but it's definitely possible.
It's not people liking it that's the problem, my problem is that it sounds like to me the "So bad, it's good" stuff is all people want to see released. At least the Vincent Price stuff is getting a Blu-Ray release, that's good news to me. It's just that there's obviously better stuff out but there are two problems, people don't seem to like the good stuff and whatever is good, it just didn't sell.
I don't subscribe to that nonsense "so bad it's good" mentality. Hell, I've watched HOWLING II many times on my own because it's a lot of fun.
It's absolutely no better or worse than some of the other films SF is releasing, INCREDIBLE MELTING MAN or THE VIDEO DEAD, and I would argue that it's much more enjoyable than those.
I have no problem with SF's strategy so far. They're running the gamut of the genre, releasing true gems alongside real oddities. It keeps their slate from being too boring and/or predictable.
I'll probably still pick them up. I think Cockney vs. Zombies looks pretty good actually. Dead Souls I'm not sure about but I'll give it a chance. I don't want to have an incomplete collection . Even the titles that I didn't love like The Video Dead, I'm still happy to have it as part of my collection, and I wouldn't have seen it any other way. The extras were fun, and the cover art is great!
That must hurt a little? Releasing all of these great horror titles but not able to release all of the ones you REALLY want. I'm curious to know what titles as well, wasn't Ms. 45 was one of them?
Yes, MS. 45 was one of them. Warhol's DRACULA and FRANKENSTEIN too
I don't subscribe to that nonsense "so bad it's good" mentality. Hell, I've watched HOWLING II many times on my own because it's a lot of fun.
It's absolutely no better or worse than some of the other films SF is releasing, INCREDIBLE MELTING MAN or THE VIDEO DEAD, and I would argue that it's much more enjoyable than those.
I have no problem with SF's strategy so far. They're running the gamut of the genre, releasing true gems alongside real oddities. It keeps their slate from being too boring and/or predictable.
Thank you! I only called them "So bad, it's good" movies since that's all people referred to them as. Like I said, I just think there are better movies out SF could pick up but then again, a lot of the better runs are either what didn't sell well or WB, Lionsgate and Echo Bridge are just too ****ing greedy.
Thank you! I only called them "So bad, it's good" movies since that's all people referred to them as. Like I said, I just think there are better movies out SF could pick up but then again, a lot of the better runs are either what didn't sell well or WB, Lionsgate and Echo Bridge are just too ****ing greedy.
There are a lot better movies for shout to release, but that doesn't mean they will or can. They aren't exactly releasing solid gold by the way. I love IMM just as much as anyone else, but its far from being an academy award winner.
If they do not release films because there are "better ones", however you define better, then nothing would come out because there are strengths and weaknesses in every film.
Howling 2 is filled with so much unintentional humor that it ends up working in its favor, distinguishing it from the "usual" bad movie.
So bad its good is simply saying that a film of low quality or performance has mitigating factors. It is literally a BAD MOVIE, that is so poorly made it causes it to be funny, in turn INTERESTING.
01) "Halloween II" - Collector's Edition - September 18, 2012
02) "Halloween III: Season of the Witch" - Collector's Edition - September 18, 2012
03) "Terror Train" - Collector's Edition - October 16, 2012
04) "The Funhouse" - Collector's Edition - October 16, 2012
05) "They Live" - Collector's Edition - November 6, 2012
06) "Death Valley" - December 11, 2012
07) "The Island" - December 11, 2012
08) "Deadly Blessing" - Collector's Edition - January 22, 2013
09) "The Nest" - February 19, 2013
10) "TerrorVision" / "The Video Dead" - Double Feature - February 19, 2013
11) "Prison" - Collector's Edition - February 19, 2013
12) "Phantasm II" - Collector's Edition - March 26, 2013
13) "From Beyond" - Collector's Edition - March 26, 2013
14) "The Vampire Lovers" - April 30, 2013
15) "The Town That Dreaded Sundown" w/ "The Evictors" - May 21, 2013
16) "The Burning"Collector's Edition - May 21, 2013
17) "Ninja III: The Domination" - June 11, 2013
18) "Lifeforce"Collector's Edition - June 18, 2013
19) "The Howling"Collector's Edition - June 18, 2013
20) "Dead Souls" - June 25, 2013
21) "The Fog"Collector's Edition - July 30, 2013
22) "The Incredible Melting Man" - July 30, 2013
23) "Swamp Thing" - August 6, 2013
24) "Hospital Massacre" (aka "X-Ray") / "Schizoid" Double Feature - August 20, 2013
25) "Dark Angel" (aka "I Come in Peace") - August 27, 2013
26) "Q: The Winged Serpent" - August 27, 2013
27) "Scanners II" / "Scanners III"Double Feature - September 10, 2013
28) "Day of the Dead"Collector's Edition - September 17, 2013
29) "The Amityville Horror" CollectionBox Set - October 2013
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"The Amityville Horror"/ "Amityville II: The Possession" / "Amityville 3D"
30) Vincent Price CollectionBox Set - October 2013
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"The Fall of the House of Usher" / "The Pit and the Pendulum" / "The Haunted Palace" / "The Masque of Red Death" / "Witchfinder General" (aka: "Conqueror Worm") / "The Abominable Dr. Phibes"
31) "Cockneys vs. Zombies" -Fall 2013
32) "Prince of Darkness"Collector's Edition - Fall 2013
33) "Night of the Comet"Collector's Edition - Late Fall 2013
34) "The Horror Show" - Late Fall 2013
35) "Body Bags" - Late 2013
36) "Psycho II"Collector's Edition - Late 2013
37) "Psycho III"Collector's Edition - Late 2013
38) "The Beast Withing" - Late 2013
39) "Crawlspace" - Late 2013
DVD-ONLY RELEASES
01) 4 MOVIE HORROR MARATHON I - August 20, 2013
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"The Vagrant" / "The Godsend" / "The Outing" / "Schizoid" (aka: "Lizard in a Woman's Skin")
BLU-RAY REVIEWS
A list with links to all reviews on blu-ray.com, can be found below:
Non-Scream Factory Horror & Sci-Fi Releases by Shout! Factory:
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BD & COMBO PACK SHOUT RELEASES:
01) "Audition" - October 6, 2009
02) "The Stepfather" - June 15, 2010
03) "Death Race 2000" - Roger Corman's Cult Classics - June 22, 2010
04) "Forbidden World" - Roger Corman's Cult Classics - July 20, 2010
05) "Galaxy of Terror" - Roger Corman's Cult Classics - July 20, 2010
06) "Humanoids from the Deep" - Roger Corman's Cult Classics - August 3, 2010
07) "Piranha" - Roger Corman's Cult Classics - August 3, 2010
08) "StarCrash" - Roger Corman's Cult Classics - September 14, 2010
09) "Damnation Alley" - July 11, 2011
10) "Battle Beyond the Stars" - Roger Corman's Cult Classics - July 11, 2011
11) "Dead Cert" - September 27, 2011
12) "Sector 7" - Blu-Ray 3D + Blu-Ray - June 26, 2012
13) "Remains" - August 7, 2012
14) "Death Watch" - August 28, 2012
15) "Timerider: The Adventure of Lyle Swann" - March 19, 2013
16) "Futureworld" - March 26, 2013
17) "Dirty Mary Crazy Larry" / "Race with the Devil" - Double Feature - May 28, 2013
18) "A Boy and His Dog" (aka" Apocalypse 2024") - August 6, 2013
DVD-ONLY SHOUT RELEASES
01) Elvira's Movie Macabre: "Count Dracula's Great Love" - September 19, 2006
02) Elvira's Movie Macabre: "Frankenstein's Castle Of Freaks" - September 19, 2006
03) Elvira's Movie Macabre: "The Devil's Wedding Night" - September 19, 2006
04) Elvira's Movie Macabre: "Legacy Of Blood" - September 19, 2006
05) Elvira's Movie Macabre: "The Werewolf Of Washington" - September 19, 2006
06) Elvira's Movie Macabre: "The Doomsday Machine" - September 19, 2006
07) Elvira's Movie Macabre: "Blue Sunshine" / "Monstroid" - September 25, 2007
08) Elvira's Movie Macabre: "Gamera, Super Monster" / "They Came From Beyond Space" - September 25, 2007
09) Elvira's Movie Macabre: "Maneater of Hydra" / "The House That Screamed" - September 25, 2007
10) "Swamp Thing: The Series"- January 22, 2008
11) "Swamp Thing: The Series" Vol. 2- January 22, 2008
12) "Kingdom of the Spiders" - January 19, 2010
13) "Gamera, Gamera, The Giant Monster" - May 18, 2010
14) "Swamp Thing: The Series" Vol. 3- Shout! Select - June 22, 2010
15) "Gamera Vs. Barugon" - July 6, 2010
16) "The Lost Skeleton Returns Again" - August 17, 2010
17) "Dark And Stormy Night"- August 17, 2010
18) "Gamera Vs. Guiron" / "Gamera Vs. Jiger" - Gamera Double Feature - September 21, 2010
19) "Gamera Vs. Gyaos" / "Gamera Vs. Viras " - Gamera Double Feature - September 21, 2010
20) "The Evil" / "Twice Dead"- Roger Corman's Cult Classics Double Feature - October 5, 2010
21) The Slumber Party Massacre Collection - Roger Corman's Cult Classics 3 Pack - October 5, 2010
[Show spoiler]"The Slumber Party Massacre" / "The Slumber Party Massacre, Part 2" / "The Slumber Party Massacre, Part 2"
22) "Cannibal Girls"- October 26, 2010
22) "The Terror Within" /" Dead Space" - Roger Corman's Cult Classics Double Feature - November 2, 2010
23) "Not of this Earth" (1988) - Roger Corman's Cult Classics - November 2, 2010
24) "Gamera Vs. Zigra" / "Gamera: The Super Monster" - Gamera Double Feature - March 15, 2011
25) "Up From The Depths" / "Demon Of Paradise"- Roger Corman's Cult Classics Double Feature - January 18, 2011
26) Giant Robot Action Pack- Double Feature - June 14, 2011
[Show spoiler]"Crash And Burn" / "Robot Wars"
27) Sci-Fi Classics- Roger Corman's Cult Classics Triple Feature - January 18, 2011
[Show spoiler]"Attack of the Crab Monsters" / "Not of this Earth" (1957) / "War of the Satellites"
28) "Oblivion"- July 5, 2011
29) Trailers From Hell! Volume Two / Trailers From Hell! Volume One- [U}July 5, 2011[/U]
[Show spoiler]"Little Shop Of Horrors" / "The Vampire Bat"
30) "Bad Dreams" / "Visiting Hours"- Killer Double Feature - September 13, 2011
31) Vampires, Mummies & Monsters Set - Roger Corman's Cult Classics 4 Pack - September 27, 2011
Cliff has already said "no" to the following titles (please review before asking about a potantial release).
Special thanks to zbinks for compiling the list and to NoirFan for requesting that it be added to the OP.
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Update:
Since the start of 2013 Cliff has said "No" to:
More Roger Corman Cult Classics releases
cartoons (Blu-Ray)
blaxploitation flix
Steelbooks / Digibooks
Albert Pyun's Films Other Than Captain America
American Ninja 1 and 2
April Fool's Day
At Play In The Fields Of The Lord
Autopsie
Barbarian Queen 1&2
Bells
Best Little *****House In Texas, The
Biker Mice From Mars
Blood Diner
Blood Games
Brain Damage
Brain Dead (1990)
Candyman 2
Career Opportunities
Carrie
Charles Bronson Flicks
Child's Play Sequels
Chopping Mall
Class of 1984
Cold Comfort Farm
Coldblooded
Commandments
Creepshow 2
Critters 1-4
Curtains
Dawn of the Dead
Death Spa
Death Wish
Deathstalker 1&2
Demonic Toys
Dolls
Dolly Dearest
Dracula (1979)
Dream Team, The
Eaten Alive
Eliminators (Blu-Ray)
Enemy Territory
Escape From New York
Fire Starter
Foxy Brown
Ghost Story
Ghosthouse
Ghoul, The
Greystoke: The Legend of Tarzan, Lord of the Apes
Halloween 6
Heart And Souls
Hellraiser III: Hell on Earth
House
House II
Iceman
In the Mouth of Madness
Jesus' Son
John Woo's Hard Boiled
John Woo's The Killer
Leaving Normal
Legend of the Werewolf, The
Les Demons
Leviathan
Lorenzo's Oil
Mad Dog And Glory
Melvin And Howard
Milagro Beanfield War, The
Motel Hell
Mr. Mom
Ms. 45
My Bloody Valentine
My Little Pony (Blu-Ray)
Needful Things
New Year's Evil
Nightbreed (Cabal cut or otherwise)
No Retreat, No Surrender
Pam Grier Collection
Parents
Petticoat Junction: Season 3
Phantasm II: Workprint
Phantom Of The Opera (1988)
Pinocchio's Revenge
Prom Night II
Psycho IV
Pumpkinhead
Radioland Murders
Razorback
Return of the Living Dead Parts 2 and 3
Rollerball (1975)
Rolling Vengeance
Savage Streets
Serpent And The Rainbow
Silent Night, Deadly Night
Simon & Simon: Seasons 5 thru 8
Six String Samurai
Sleepaway Camp 2: Unhappy Campers
Sleepaway Camp 3: Teenage Wasteland
Snow Falling On Cedars
Sonny Boy
The Terror Within
Splitting Heirs
Squirm
Stone Cold
Street Sharks
Suspiria
Tag: The Assassination Game
Tales from the Crypt: Bordello of Blood
Tales from the Crypt: Demon Knight
Tank
The Dead Pit
The Death Angel
The Evil
The Golden Child
The Howling II
The Rise and Fall of Idi Amin
The Taking Of Beverly Hills
The Terror Within 1 and 2
The Vampire Lovers (DVD)
The Wicker Man
Trancers
Trespass
Trigger Effect, The
Two Family House
UHF
Underneath, The
Vamp
Waking The Dead
Wet Hot American Summer
Without Warning
He has also indicated "Probably Not / Unlikely" to:
Any Echo Bridge/Miramax titles
Euro Horror Cult movies
Casper Films
Head of the Class
Jack's Back
The other Howling sequels
Troma Filma
Full Moon Titles
On a sidenote, titles from Warner Brothers, Paramount, Sony and Lionsgate should be presumed to be "No's" until/unless Cliff says otherwise.
There are a lot better movies for shout to release, but that doesn't mean they will or can. They aren't exactly releasing solid gold by the way. I love IMM just as much as anyone else, but its far from being an academy award winner.
If they do not release films because there are "better ones", however you define better, then nothing would come out because there are strengths and weaknesses in every film.
Howling 2 is filled with so much unintentional humor that it ends up working in its favor, distinguishing it from the "usual" bad movie.
So bad its good is simply saying that a film of low quality or performance has mitigating factors. It is literally a BAD MOVIE, that is so poorly made it causes it to be funny, in turn INTERESTING.
Hence, So Bad, Its Good.
Why not just say you like it for those reasons? Why can't anyone? Why say "so bad, it's good" as a defense? Just say you like it. And okay, I should say better in the sense like there's a film that's legitimately good but was buried or at least something with better effort. An example off the top of my head for the former is Paperhouse and Tales from the Hood, that one is pretty good. Hell, Shout releasing Ginger Snaps, that'd be awesome. But we all know who owns that one.
I think you're missing the point, honestly. It's not that that's all that people want to see released, it's just that those types of movies deserve to be released too for their fans, and a lot of people in this thread seem to agree with that notion.
This. I love all types of genres of films, especially with horror. Whether it be an old black and white classic, 80s cheese fest, modern torture flick, ect. I love it all. I'm not saying I would take The Howling 2 over just about any Vincent Price film (I made up a wish list recently and Howling 2 was in the middle of the pack, many below a stack of Price flicks I would love to see first.), but I would still love it to have it. The Vincent Price collection is my most anticipated release along with The Fog, Bodybags, Pince of Darkness, ect. Like I said before, I buy just about anything Shout releases regarding cult films, and everything Scream releases. I'm not picky when it comes to horror or genre picks. Sometimes you are in the mood for a good serious film, other times you want to throw a movie on with friends and joke around with it. That's why I love horror films, you can find just about anything in the genre for anybody.
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Yes, MS. 45 was one of them. Warhol's DRACULA and FRANKENSTEIN too
Damn that's too bad, I haven't seen any of those but have heard good things about all three. Didn't Criterion release the latter two at one time? Maybe they can get the rights back. If you guys can't release them, Criterion would be the next best thing!
There are a lot better movies for shout to release, but that doesn't mean they will or can. They aren't exactly releasing solid gold by the way. I love IMM just as much as anyone else, but its far from being an academy award winner.
If they do not release films because there are "better ones", however you define better, then nothing would come out because there are strengths and weaknesses in every film.
Howling 2 is filled with so much unintentional humor that it ends up working in its favor, distinguishing it from the "usual" bad movie.
So bad its good is simply saying that a film of low quality or performance has mitigating factors. It is literally a BAD MOVIE, that is so poorly made it causes it to be funny, in turn INTERESTING.
Hence, So Bad, Its Good.
You said it much better then me.
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Why not just say you like it for those reasons? Why can't anyone? Why say "so bad, it's good" as a defense? Just say you like it.
Well we are, we're not saying so bad it's bad, we are saying so bad it's good. It's fun to watch because how bad it is. The Howling is a whole other beast though, like already mentioned. It is just not a bad flick, but a throw everything at you including the kitchen sink type of movie. There is no rhyme or reason, and it doesn't have to make sense to be in this film. It feels like the Director just wrote down everything he came up with on some sort of drug trip, threw it it a blender and The Howling 2 came out. The whole film is just so insane and out there it's not like anything else you've seen before. I have no clue how he convinced Christopher Lee to be in it, unless he signed on before reading the script or just really needed the money.
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however Siskel and Ebert both picked ALIEN as the "Dog of the week" yet ALIEN has proven to be a popular and successful franchise.
Actually, for the sake of S&E-geek trivia, no:
It was reviewed on the same 6/9/79 episode with "The Promise" and the Peter Sellers "Prisoner of Zenda" (both panned), but no record on what the dogs that week were. (If anyone knows whatever happened to that vintage S&E archive site, let me know.)
Due to the grindhouse/snap-judgment nature of the segment, though, most of 70's-80's Wes Craven (up to and including Elm Street 1) and pre-Scanners David Cronenberg were dogged for their time.
(Even Phantasm and Love at First Bite, for no other crime than opening in B-theater drive-ins a week before taping.)
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I have no clue how he convinced Christopher Lee to be in (H2), unless he signed on before reading the script or just really needed the money.
Christopher Lee already said in interviews that he had good experiences working with Mora on "The Return of Captain Invincible" and felt he "owed" him one more picture.
His personal opinions of H2 have also been expressed elsewhere, with characteristically elegant tact.
Why not just say you like it for those reasons? Why can't anyone? Why say "so bad, it's good" as a defense? Just say you like it. And okay, I should say better in the sense like there's a film that's legitimately good but was buried or at least something with better effort. An example off the top of my head for the former is Paperhouse and Tales from the Hood, that one is pretty good. Hell, Shout releasing Ginger Snaps, that'd be awesome. But we all know who owns that one.
Is saying "It's so bad it's good" not saying you enjoy the film?
It is just specifically saying you enjoy the film because of the reason I previously stated. I think it add entertainment value to a would-be horrible movie.
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Well we are, we're not saying so bad it's bad, we are saying so bad it's good. It's fun to watch because how bad it is. The Howling is a whole other beast though, like already mentioned. It is just not a bad flick, but a throw everything at you including the kitchen sink type of movie. There is no rhyme or reason, and it doesn't have to make sense to be in this film. The whole film is just so insane and out there it's not like anything else you've seen before.
exactly. Thank you.
But, this conversation is giving me diabetes. -_-
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Yeah lets change it up. Everyone buy the Vincent Price collection so we can get a Vol. 2!
If you haven't seen a Price flick before, there is no better time to dive into his catalog then with this Bluray release. This vol. seems to focus on his classier more respected flicks, hopefully vol. 2 can dive into his more schlocky but fun flicks such as Madhouse and Theatre of Blood, as well as Tales of Terror, Twice Told Tales, and of course the sequel to his classic Dr. Phibes, Dr. Phibes Rises Again.
I wonder if a Fly collection is out of the question, with the original film and its three sequels?
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. Even the titles that I didn't love like The Video Dead, I'm still happy to have it as part of my collection, and I wouldn't have seen it any other way. The extras were fun, and the cover art is great!
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