Scream Factory Blu-ray Discussion Thread

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by thompsonjohn

Hate to be one of those people, but I was skeptical when "Ginger Snaps" and "Dog Soldiers" were announced to be "Collector's Edition" titles, considering being rather new titles and so far most of the "Collector's Edition" titles are tried and true classics from the 80's/70's and dipping into the early 90's. But, I guess I kinda came around to accept it.

"Lake Placid" on the other. This seems like too much. Not only does it somewhat stick out like a sore thumb amongst the other "Collector's Editions" but it seems too new to be regarded as a classic as most "Collector's Editions" are regarded as classics and kind of require classic type status to be a "Collector's Edition" title. I also just don't really like the movie that much. It's not terrible it's very much so a modern day B-movie, but by no means is this title worth of the "Collector's Edition" line that is established so far. I think this is purely a cash grab for "Shout!/Scream Factory." I think they're seeing some low sales numbers on multiple titles and this movie was available, it's very mainstream and well known so they decided to snatch it up and release it to make some profits.

Other than that, I got my copy of "Cat People" today and I'm incredibly happy with the decision "Scream Factory" made in regards to shrink wrapping the entire package, slipcover included. There will never be another instance of receiving a damaged slipcover again, atleast in my opinion. I've still never seen it, but I love the trailer and can't to wait to watch it later.



Apparently, "Shout!/Scream Factory" had planned to port over Universal's extras which would surely cement this film's title as a "Collector's Edition" but I guess they were dicks about it and wouldn't let "Scream Factory" have access to them. So, "Scream Factory" atleast made some effort to make it up and give us something. If you want all the bonus materials buy Universal's rather cheap DVD.

Halloween II is pretty mainstream.
Hey if this is a cashgrab, then so be it. If it helps fund other projects, then so be it. Sounds like a win/win to me!

[redrunner97]

Lake Placid is a freakin classic. It's not hard to understand. Just look at the overwhelming support for this release on this site alone, its a big title. This was a great move on their part. Its both mainstream and cult-ish. Thats a killer combo, no pun intended.

Originally Posted by AKORIS

see, I have ZERO interest in that flick, but I enjoyed Lake Placid a lot (and it's nowhere near the "quality" of a scyfy movie level)

different strokes....

I agree 100%. I checked out Ravenous for the first time over the weekend. Terrible. I'll support SF and get it anyway, who knows it might even grow on me.

But I'm not gonna shit all over it and say it should/shouldn't be on blu-ray for any reason. Collectors Edition or not, its only a good thing when any movie is released. Under any banner. And, imo, Lake Placid couldnt fit this banner more.

[Catastrophe]

Originally Posted by redrunner97

But I'm not gonna shit all over it and say it should/shouldn't be on blu-ray for any reason. Collectors Edition or not, its only a good thing when any movie is released. Under any banner.

Hear, hear!

There's been a number of Scream's releases that I have privately turned my nose up at. But I don't piss and moan and say "Why is 'this' getting a release! Why isn't 'that' getting a release!"

Every release of Scream's has its fanbase, whether it's the 50's schlock of The Neanderthal Man to the unbelievably obscure Hellhole. That's what this line is all about: finding movies and giving those movies' fans what they want. Even the movies that haven't sold well have their fans; yes, that's not good for SF's business model and that could come back to bite them in the ass at some point, but for now, it seems they're having as much fun announcing and releasing these titles as the fans are anticipating and picking them up. That's what Shout!/Scream are all about: putting these movies out instead of letting them collect dust in a studio's catalog.

[thompsonjohn]

I'm just going to repeat what I said in the news article of this being released..

The "Collector's Edition" line is getting more and more tarnished as we go. What I'm feeling is what Criterion die-hards must have felt when they announced "Armageddon" was coming out as a Criterion Collection title.

Okay, that's a bit extreme, but really the "Collector's Edition" banner should be reserved for 70's-early 90's cult classics. When they run out of options from those eras then we should be looking at late 90's to new post-millennium titles.

This film doesn't even rank as a cult classic for me. It kind of sucks. It's just a kind of fun B-movie, nothing more.

Sure, being directed by Steve Miner an actually really good director who understands how to do horror films well, helps this release. If there is a commentary from him on the release it might raise this releases profile a bit more. With the comedy element Betty White brings to the film it's hard for me to really even regard this as horror.

"Scream Factory" is making more and more bizarre choices I think. I get it though and I understand it that they would want to do this as a cash grab and bring some more money in. I mean lets face it "Scream Factory" is playing to a small percentage of the home video buying audience and some of our favorite titles are not the mainstream money makers we all wish they could be.

[spawningblue]

Originally Posted by kyleschmitty

What are your favorite titles that Scream/Shout Factory has released to Blu-ray?

They all seem so 'cult-ish', I just don't know what the best are!

Thanks!

Seeing as you have Hitchock as your avatar I would definitely start off with the Vincent Price Collection. Death Valley, Town That Dreaded Sundown, Vampire Lovers, and the upcoming Nosferatu discs would probably interest you as well. And of course Psycho 2 and Psycho 3, even if they are more slashers then the first, the third one is especially just a goofy slasher.

Here are my Top 10

1. Halloween III: Season of the Witch
2. The Fog
3. Vincent Price Collection
4. The Howling
5. Prince of Darkness
6. Phantasm 2
7. They Live
8. Halloween 2
9. Terror Train
10. The Burning

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by thompsonjohn

I'm just going to repeat what I said in the news article of this being released..



Sure, being directed by Steve Miner an actually really good director who understands how to do horror films well, helps this release. If there is a commentary from him on the release it might raise this releases profile a bit more. With the comedy element Betty White brings to the film it's hard for me to really even regard this as horror.

"Scream Factory" is making more and more bizarre choices I think. I get it though and I understand it that they would want to do this as a cash grab and bring some more money in. I mean lets face it "Scream Factory" is playing to a small percentage of the home video buying audience and some of our favorite titles are not the mainstream money makers we all wish they could be.

All that article tells me is one person's opinion.

[ultlife2013]

Originally Posted by spawningblue

Seeing as you have Hitchock as your avatar I would definitely grab the Vincent Price Collection. Death Valley, Town That Dreaded Sundown, Vampire Lovers, and the upcoming Nosferatu discs would probably interest you as well. And of course Psycho 2 and Psycho 3, even if they are more slashers then the first, the third one is especially just a goofy slasher.

Here are my Top 10

1. Halloween III: Season of the Witch
2. The Fog
3. Vincent Price Collection
4. The Howling
5. Prince of Darkness
6. Phantasm 2
7. They Live
8. Halloween 2
9. Terror Train
10. The Burning

I like that list nice picks on it, but watch out with posting too many lists.

[CountYorgaRules]

1. The Vincent Price Collection
2. The Vampire Lovers
3. Die Monster Die!
4. The Town That Dreaded Sundown/The Evictors
5. The Incredible Melting Man
6. The Beast of Hollow Mountain/The Neanderthal Man
7. The Amityville Collection
8. The Beast Within
9. The Burning
10. Lifeforce

[redrunner97]

How is the "Collector's Edition" being tarnished?

There's not even a standard for what is/isn't a CE to Scream, so how can you even make that assessment?

I thought it was just films with title or name recognition. Both of which Lake Placid has.

[thompsonjohn]

Originally Posted by rickah88

All that article tells me is one person's opinion.

Yeah, and I mean we're all entitled to that. I value opinions, especially on something I might not have in blind-buy situations or on other numerous things. I just think this is a bad movie. From the beginning I was setting out to collect all the "Collector's Edition" titles and now "Scream Factory" is making it much harder by bringing titles under the banner that in my opinion are not exactly deserving of it.

[captainjoe]

I remember there was a time when we all wished there was a new "Anchor Bay" for the blu-ray era. And here we are now with a line like Scream Factory doing more for horror on video than Anchor Bay ever did and people are now complaining about the titles they choose despite the fact they keep bringing out the classics everyone wants.
Lighten up, you don't have to by it. Just skip it. I skipped those new independent movies they released but it didn't upset me that they brought them out. I went on with my life. Let the fans of Lake Placid enjoy the Collector's Edition.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by thompsonjohn

Yeah, and I mean we're all entitled to that. I value opinions, especially on something I might not have in blind-buy situations or on other numerous things. I just think this is a bad movie. From the beginning I was setting out to collect all the "Collector's Edition" titles and now "Scream Factory" is making it much harder by bringing titles under the banner that in my opinion are not exactly deserving of it.

Well, no offense, but that's a you problem, not a them problem.
I don't think I fully understand this whole concept of "deserving". Collector's Edition, has been, and always will be a total sales gimmick. Like artwork, or packaging, or even bonus content. That's all.
Now I'm not badmouthing it, just stating it for what it is.
I've bought a couple Scream CE's solely for their bonus content and collectablilty value...in my opinion.
As I said earlier, Halloween II is much more "mainstream" than Lake Placid, and that was their flagship title. Yet it gets a pass?
C'mon, if you don't like it, fine just move on and wait for the next announcement...but please stop with the "tarnishing the brand" nonsense. All I envision when I hear someone say that is: jilted fanboy.

My goodness, what is Scream supposed to do? Get 100% approval rating from the entire fanbase that might purchase said title, before they announce it....give me a break.

[CountYorgaRules]

Originally Posted by captainjoe

I remember there was a time when we all wished there was a new "Anchor Bay" for the blu-ray era. And here we are now with a line like Scream Factory doing more for horror on video than Anchor Bay ever did and people are now complaining about the titles they choose despite the fact they keep bringing out the classics everyone wants.
Lighten up, you don't have to by it. Just skip it. I skipped those new independent movies they released but it didn't upset me that they brought them out. I went on with my life. Let the fans of Lake Placid enjoy the Collector's Edition.

I'm not complaining either, and yes they can indeed release whatever they want, but I'm just hoping for more of classics. I guess it will take the end of the year to tell if that's going to happen or not.

[Dex Robinson]

Originally Posted by rickah88

...
I don't think I fully understand this whole concept of "deserving". Collector's Edition, has been, and always will be a total sales gimmick. ...

Absolutely.

I've got more SCREAM titles than I can keep track of and I have no idea whatsoever which ones are the so-called "Collectors Editions".

I got WITCHBOARD and NIGHT OF THE DEMONS this week. Are either one collectors editions?

Don't know.

Don't care.

I buy movies I like...same as the 99.9% of the BD buying population that isn't on Blu-ray.com every day. Does "Collectors Edition" mean something? Maybe. Again. Who cares? It's about the movie. You can call it the "Rich Corinthian Leather Special Edition" for all I care. If I like the movie, I'll buy it. If I don't like it, I wont' buy it.

The only thing I collect is good movies.

I like LAKE PLACID (a lot) and I'll be buying it. Wrap it up in pink ribbons and tassels if that's what people want.

[thompsonjohn]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Well, no offense, but that's a you problem, not a them problem.
I don't think I fully understand this whole concept of "deserving". Collector's Edition, has been, and always will be a total sales gimmick. Like artwork, or packaging, or even bonus content. That's all.
Now I'm not badmouthing it, just stating it for what it is.
I've bought a couple Scream CE's solely for their bonus content and collectablilty value...in my opinion.
As I said earlier, Halloween II is much more "mainstream" than Lake Placid, and that was their flagship title. Yet it gets a pass?
C'mon, if you don't like it, fine just move on and wait for the next announcement...but please stop with the "tarnishing the brand" nonsense. All I envision when I hear someone say that is: jilted fanboy.

My goodness, what is Scream supposed to do? Get 100% approval rating from the entire fanbase that might purchase said title, before they announce it....give me a break.

Yeah you got valid points. And yeah it all does come down to personal tastes, frankly I'd love to have a complete set of all the "Collector's Edition" titles, but "Scream Factory" is only making that harder for people like me who think "Lake Placid" is not truly all that great, I think it's quite a bore. But yes, life goes on. Atleast your not one of those little girls who blocks me because they can't bare to make an argument against mine. I can appreciate someone who can stand up against me and counter my argument. I'm not a one-sided maniac, I'm quite reasonable, but I do have strong opinions.

[Corner Camping Noob]

I believe the Collector's Edition SF releases all have a higher MSRP than non-collector's edition releases.

[zbinks]

Originally Posted by Corner Camping Noob

I believe the Collector's Edition SF releases all have a higher MSRP than non-collector's edition releases.

Yep. CEs are $29.93. Non-CEs are $26.99 or less.

[thompsonjohn]

Originally Posted by Corner Camping Noob

I believe the Collector's Edition SF releases all have a higher MSRP than non-collector's edition releases.

Oddly enough as well, some non-"Collector's Edition" titles come way more jam packed with bonus materials than certain "Collector's Edition" titles themselves. I can make a better argument for "The Video Dead" and "TerrorVision" being a "Collector's Edition" than I can for "Terror Train" or "Cat People" that's for sure.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by thompsonjohn

Yeah you got valid points. And yeah it all does come down to personal tastes, frankly I'd love to have a complete set of all the "Collector's Edition" titles, but "Scream Factory" is only making that harder for people like me who think "Lake Placid" is not truly all that great, I think it's quite a bore. But yes, life goes on. Atleast your not one of those little girls who blocks me because they can't bare to make an argument against mine. I can appreciate someone who can stand up against me and counter my argument. I'm not a one-sided maniac, I'm quite reasonable, but I do have strong opinions.

If you have/had detractors in life, all that means is you have/had an opinion.

I get that everyone is different, and we all like different things. I suspect the world would be a very boring place if everyone thought/acted and liked the same things.
I can't be sure, but I would think SF knows this as well, and they are just trying to cast as wide a net as they can. It just makes good business sense.
So if Lake Placid, while "not up to par" in the view of some helps SF fill their coffers a bit, then I say go for it.
In essence you can view it as teamwork at it's finest. I may not buy -x- title, but will buy -y- title, and that person might do the opposite, and that person might buy both. All good scenarios for SF, and ultimately their fans.
At least that's how I see it.

It's just BD collecting, and it really doesn't have to be so complicated. The person with a few Scream releases should be having just as much fun as the person with every Scream release. All the while both are doing their part to support the label and, hopefully, further more releases.

[thompsonjohn]

Originally Posted by rickah88

If you have/had detractors in life, all that means is you have/had an opinion.

I get that everyone is different, and we all like different things. I suspect the world would be a very boring place if everyone thought/acted and liked the same things.
I can't be sure, but I would think SF knows this as well, and they are just trying to cast as wide a net as they can. It just makes good business sense.
So if Lake Placid, while "not up to par" in the view of some helps SF fill their coffers a bit, then I say go for it.
In essence you can view it as teamwork at it's finest. I may not buy -x- title, but will buy -y- title, and that person might do the opposite, and that person might buy both. All good scenarios for SF, and ultimately their fans.
At least that's how I see it.

It's just BD collecting, and it really doesn't have to be so complicated. The person with a few Scream releases should be having just as much fun as the person with every Scream release. All the while both are doing their part to support the label and, hopefully, further more releases.

Yeah you're right, while I might be pretty hard headed here when it comes to things and accepting shit that can't always go my way I'm not completely so far gone that I can't see or understand the point. I kind of needed this to bring me back down to reality here, too many times do I go on a tirade without really thinking it through and I'm sure there's a few people here who think I'm a complete maniac hah.