Scream Factory Blu-ray Discussion Thread

[natureboy]

Agree with you guys - Deep Red and Suspiria were my introductions to Argento back in the day and those are def the two to start with. If he likes those, then go with Tenebrae.

[thompsonjohn]

So, I haven't seen Herzog's "Nosferatu", how does this one rank? It seems to be actually really popular so I can't imagine it being all that bad. How is his interpretation of the story and of course how is Kinski in the role? Regardless, I'll likely buy it anyway, but I'm always interested in opinion.

[franken_psycho1990]

I like fruit roll-ups, But not when they are soggy... I dip them in my cereal and hurry and eat them because it gets soggy quick. I no like it. I once dipped my nose in a bowl of cheese dip just to prove I could. Did you ever notice aids?

[ScorpionReleasing]

Originally Posted by demonknight

Yes. MGM also has TV distribution to Night of the Demons, Witchboard, and Sleepaway Camp 2&3, despite home video being with Kevin Tenney and Double Helix.

Witchboard and NOTD home video rights is not with Tenney, it's with the producers, Blue Rider Films

[ScorpionReleasing]

Originally Posted by cine74

If Shout has LORD OF ILLUSIONS it's safe to assume they may also have WITHOUT WARNING. Scorpion says they don't have the rights so that leaves MGM since TransWorld, the company that release WW on video, is part of their library.

Without Warning was never part of TransWorld library nor ever on Home video here in the States.

Its controlled by MGM via their ownership of the AIP/Filmways library

[dsman71]

Originally Posted by ScorpionReleasing

Without Warning was never part of TransWorld library nor ever on Home video here in the States.

Its controlled by MGM via their ownership of the AIP/Filmways library

Hi Walter, if it is controlled by MGM why hasnt ever been released by MGM or sub-licensed to anyone - why hasnt it gotten USA release on DVD or blu ray ?

[Tiger Tanaka]

Originally Posted by theprestige85

Wow. Ok. I'm not going to piss on Phatasm for the sake of making looking Ginger Snaps look great, as I don't have to. But I imagine most of us on here know what's the more important film.

Also, the fact that you complain that Ginger wasn't a 'menacing villain' really suggests that you didn't understand the filmmakers/writers intent..

seriously? since when is ginger snaps an important film or more important than something like Phantasm? for whom? werewolf or ginger snaps fetishists?

you think it's a masterpiece, i do think it's a cinematic turd. taste is subjective but i guess it's hard to discuss the importance of a movie like ginger snaps.

[KenHurd]

I watched Witchboard last night, and I was impressed by how this one looked. I had only seen it one time before, about a year ago on DVD, and I remember the colors being very flat and boring. I also remember it looking much brighter, which made the move fall flat. This blu-ray was definitely an upgrade. The darker look really added to the atmosphere.

[Mr. Thomsen]

Originally Posted by cine74

Subtext. Metaphors. Allegory. Archetypal. Cultural Zeitgeist. Intellectual Limits. Seriously? What ever happened to just watching and enjoying the movie.

All narratives have subtext, which of course includes all movies. For some decoding the subtext of a movie just adds an extra level of enjoyment to the pleasure (i.e. emotional arousal) we normally get from watching.

It's really no different than how slasher fans get intellectual pleasure out of recognizing the stable tropes and elements of that sub-genre and guessing how they are going to be used in a new film (who dies first, who will be the final girl etc.)

Personally, I find fun in thinking about subtext after watching a movie, but I rarely am aware of it while I am watching - unless I am particularly looking for it, or it's delivered rather heavy-handed.

[wooble89]

Yeah subtext is what makes any writing good, including screenplays.

[Member-167298]

Why are we wasting time comparing Ginger Snaps to Phantasm?!

Let's compare it to Citizen Kane.

[dsman71]

Originally Posted by PrestonXI

Why are we wasting time comparing Ginger Snaps to Phantasm?!

Let's compare it to Citizen Kane.

[theprestige85]

Originally Posted by Movie-Brat

Wait, are we sure when people say Phantasm is better, nostalgia is not involved? Because a film should be judged on its own terms and nostalgia. I see where Prestige is coming with Ginger Snaps.

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I'm glad you see where i'm coming from and it's refreshing that somebody on blu ray forums seems to understand the film and it's subtexts and metaphors. I just wish others were able to sit back, think for a bit, and see the film for what it represents, it's subversive ideas and non conventional plottings.

All narratives have subtext, which of course includes all movies. For some decoding the subtext of a movie just adds an extra level of enjoyment to the pleasure (i.e. emotional arousal) we normally get from watching.

It's really no different than how slasher fans get intellectual pleasure out of recognizing the stable tropes and elements of that sub-genre and guessing how they are going to be used in a new film (who dies first, who will be the final girl etc.)


Good post. This is completely true. I'm often asked to justify why I think certain films are important and why I feel that they convey deeper meanings/levels, but nobody here has justified why they like (admittedly) entertaining genre films like Phantasm, like Amityville. I can't apologise for backing horror films that engage the viewer with thematic depths and tell truths about the world we live in.

Lik Movie-Brat and others have suggested, Ginger Snaps extends faar beyond jump scares, atmosphere and gore. It's really a film about a specific point in our lives and how such changes can indeed feel monstrous. I'm not just talking about the puberty metaphors and such, but the notion of the outcast, those who do not pertain to a particular group of individuals. The dangers and pleasures of sex, how it can be both empowering and destroy you. And that's just the tip of the ice berg.

There are so many layers within Ginger Snaps that I don't find in many films, let alone horror films. Look at the suburbs in most films and horror films, they are always portrayed as utopias of which we should aspire to live in. They are always peaceful environments until something abject comes along and destroys it. From the frame it's made explicitly clear that there is NOTHING beautiful or pretty about the suburbs in which Ginger and Bridgette live. It's dim, dreary and uninspired. And most importantly, it's honest. This level of what I call 'truthful subversiveness' is something I appreciate in any film.

The writing is also somewhat unique. I don't know many films that have characters saying the distinctive dialogue featured in Ginger Snaps.

The film also ties into other subjects I am interested in such as psychoanalysis and gender roles. The latter of which Snaps explores explicitly.

I have almost nothing to say about Phantasm other than I enjoyed the sci-fi/horror hybrid.

[rrpmpstck]

Originally Posted by theprestige85

The writing is also somewhat unique. I don't know many films that have characters saying the distinctive dialogue featured in Ginger Snaps.

The film also ties into other subjects I am interested in such as psychoanalysis and gender roles. The latter of which Snaps explores explicitly.

I have almost nothing to say about Phantasm other than I enjoyed the sci-fi/horror hybrid.

I am starting to wonder after reading through the last few pages....did you right the script for this movie, or maybe own stock in the distributing company?

[returnofthemack]

Am I nuts or what? Are people really trying to argue that ginger snaps is better then phantasm? I mean we are talking about phantasm vs ginger snaps.... What's the world coming to?

[wooble89]

Yeah why are these even being compared?

I can't believe all this Ginger Snaps talk. Some like it and some don't.

[Member-222782]

I watch movies for entertainment. I'll leave the search for meanings and deep analysis to someone else.

[wooble89]

Originally Posted by cine74

I watch movies for entertainment. I'll leave the search for meanings and deep analysis to someone else.

That's fair enough. What's interesting though is how much of a bearing the subtext has on the entertainment value without you (or anyone,) really noticing it.

[demonknight]

Originally Posted by theprestige85

There are so many layers within Ginger Snaps that I don't find in many films, let alone horror films. Look at the suburbs in most films and horror films, they are always portrayed as utopias of which we should aspire to live in. They are always peaceful environments until something abject comes along and destroys it. From the frame it's made explicitly clear that there is NOTHING beautiful or pretty about the suburbs in which Ginger and Bridgette live. It's dim, dreary and uninspired. And most importantly, it's honest. This level of what I call 'truthful subversiveness' is something I appreciate in any film.

Yeah. I lived and the suburbs for twelve years, up until this past August. The only person/movie that absolutely nailed my feelings about it is Joe Dante's The 'burbs.

[Terrorfirmer]

Originally Posted by franken_psycho1990

I like fruit roll-ups, But not when they are soggy... I dip them in my cereal and hurry and eat them because it gets soggy quick. I no like it. I once dipped my nose in a bowl of cheese dip just to prove I could. Did you ever notice aids?

I have noticed aids...stupid aids...
Anyways I want The People Under The Stairs, yeah I know Arrows done it but I'd rather have it as a scream factory release...Phantasm is better...