Scream Factory Blu-ray Discussion Thread

[dsman71]

Originally Posted by dissention

They blame image issues on the elements they're given (which begs the question of why exactly they feel discs like Cat People are worth what they're asking), but they never address the compression artifacts. Case in point, Nosferatu. It's a pretty lousy transfer made worse by lousy compression and macroblocks. Their response? "It's Herzog approved!" They've made it perfectly clear that they are not open to any sort of criticism.

That was the only response they could give criticism or otherwise. What else could they say ?

[Sinep]

Originally Posted by Goremeister100

Yet another reason not to use fecesbook. This comment made me laugh:

That person - Shawn Francis - isn't he the DVD News Flash guy who posts everything blu ray related on Facebook and his very own website ?

[k_huntington]

re: NOTLD on blu-ray

Originally Posted by spawningblue

Agreed. It makes no sense. People will buy just about any release by Scream, people would want the Scream version. If they released an excellent package with great extras and cover art it would sell. You constantly see people asking for it so there's a huge demand. Not to mention you would get people from all over the world purchasing it since there isn't a perfect version released yet. We had great editions of this on DVD that sold well enough even though there were hundreds of bootlegs out there. Even with the few losses you would get if someone did copy their transfer it would still easil sell more than half the titles they have released this far. Same thing with Last Man on Earth and House on Haunted Hill. If Scream is too greedy hopefully Criterion tackles these as they aren't afraid to release public domain films.

Originally Posted by spawningblue

You are contradicting yourself here. If bootlegs were taken off the market due to being sued, than no one would be able to copy Screams released or they would get sued, if what you state is true.

And yes it would cost a lot to transfer the film to Blu-ray but so all the other movies they release and even with the loss to bootlegs, Night would still easily outsell Ninja 3, Island, Prison, Crawlspace, Beast Within, Eve of Destruction, ect. ect.

forgive me for pulling up old stuff, i've been making my way through this whole thread for kicks and giggles during down time at work for the past 6 weeks, and felt i needed to comment on this...

why doesn't scream talk to romero, or whoever owns the original film negative/print/whatever. and see if they can get the go ahead, and see how much it would be, then sign an agreement with a contingency clause.

contingency clause would be:
scream/shout can then announce they have access to the OCN of NOTLD, and will give it the full blown special edition treatment, and they immediately post a 60 day pre-order window, and they say "we need x amount of pre-orders (FULL disclosure to the fans, just like kickstarter) and what the heck, give us a progress meter too. much like kickstarter, customer's have the chance of cancelling their pre-order, or changing their amount, but once the 60 day period has ended, IF they have exceeded the amount of sales required, then all sales are final. period. end of discussion. no refunds what so ever.

at this point, they get the film elements from romero or whoever holds them, and begin the transfer, and they sign up red shirt as well to do an extensive feature length documentary (i know there was One For The Fire, and i know there is Birth of the Living Dead) or they could see about licensing one of those instead, (and that would of course be apart of the INITIAL contract if that was the case, and that would of course be factored into the initial units needed to green light the project)

then about 4 weeks before release, they put the pre-order links for the actual product on shout.com and amazon.com and best-buy, walmart, blowitouttahere, etc. just like a regular release, and sell it business as usual on release day, and continue printing if sales are brisk.

see, the beauty in this approach is they factor in the costs for replication, marketing, special features, transferring film, negotiations, etc into the initial pre-order amount needed, and convey that exact number to the fans, that way... screw it! let the bootleggers bootleg. its already paid for by the time it ships. They already have the project covered, and any sale from here on out, (release day, and on) is PURE PROFIT.

i think that if scream followed this approach, they would have the best NOTLD on blu-ray ever, AND it would be completely paid for before the project is even greenlit. AND any sale they make release day, and on, is purely profit in their pocket.

win-win-win for everyone involved.

now where is my 10% cut for the idea??

edit: and while we're at it, make this one region free. so the entire world can get in on it.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by dsman71

That was the only response they could give criticism or otherwise. What else could they say ?

Acknowledge the issue, or at least the complaints about it, and work toward improving it. It's pretty simple quality control and customer service. But they seem to view any criticism as negativity; it's rather bizarre from a company that's in it to make money. Arrow didn't turn a blind eye to the issues regarding their releases.

[Wolfking]

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[ultlife2013]

Originally Posted by k_huntington

re: NOTLD on blu-ray











forgive me for pulling up old stuff, i've been making my way through this whole thread for kicks and giggles during down time at work for the past 6 weeks, and felt i needed to comment on this...



why doesn't scream talk to romero, or whoever owns the original film negative/print/whatever. and see if they can get the go ahead, and see how much it would be, then sign an agreement with a contingency clause.



contingency clause would be:

scream/shout can then announce they have access to the OCN of NOTLD, and will give it the full blown special edition treatment, and they immediately post a 60 day pre-order window, and they say "we need x amount of pre-orders (FULL disclosure to the fans, just like kickstarter) and what the heck, give us a progress meter too. much like kickstarter, customer's have the chance of cancelling their pre-order, or changing their amount, but once the 60 day period has ended, IF they have exceeded the amount of sales required, then all sales are final. period. end of discussion. no refunds what so ever.



at this point, they get the film elements from romero or whoever holds them, and begin the transfer, and they sign up red shirt as well to do an extensive feature length documentary (i know there was One For The Fire, and i know there is Birth of the Living Dead) or they could see about licensing one of those instead, (and that would of course be apart of the INITIAL contract if that was the case, and that would of course be factored into the initial units needed to green light the project)



then about 4 weeks before release, they put the pre-order links for the actual product on shout.com and amazon.com and best-buy, walmart, blowitouttahere, etc. just like a regular release, and sell it business as usual on release day, and continue printing if sales are brisk.



see, the beauty in this approach is they factor in the costs for replication, marketing, special features, transferring film, negotiations, etc into the initial pre-order amount needed, and convey that exact number to the fans, that way... screw it! let the bootleggers bootleg. its already paid for by the time it ships. They already have the project covered, and any sale from here on out, (release day, and on) is PURE PROFIT.



i think that if scream followed this approach, they would have the best NOTLD on blu-ray ever, AND it would be completely paid for before the project is even greenlit. AND any sale they make release day, and on, is purely profit in their pocket.



win-win-win for everyone involved.



now where is my 10% cut for the idea??

Your idea is good but why have two preorders then? Just the first one to see if sales warrant the cost to do the restoration and then just sell those copies. Why the retailers if those preorders can be cancelled while the original ones cannot be? The only way that could work is if the first preorder has some special limited edition gift or is numbered, something for die hard fans to be able to show in their collections.

[k_huntington]

Originally Posted by ultlife2013

Your idea is good but why have two preorders then? Just the first one to see if sales warrant the cost to do the restoration and then just sell those copies. Why the retailers if those preorders can be cancelled while the original ones cannot be? The only way that could work is if the first preorder has some special limited edition gift or is numbered, something for die hard fans to be able to show in their collections.

the original pre-order is to ensure they don't lose their a** on the finance. nothing more. no special gimmicks, no prizes, no bonuses (ok, throw in a poster for the first 500) but thats just to ensure they get the sale.

then they just do a regular pre-order with all the outlest once its greenlit incase someone missed it initially, but still wants it on release day.

my idea isnt about getting special gifts for a pre-order, it is strictly to ensure they can afford it. that is all. then they do it business as usuall after that. host the same pre-order program through all the regular channels.

[ultlife2013]

Originally Posted by k_huntington

the original pre-order is to ensure they don't lose their a** on the finance. nothing more. no special gimmicks, no prizes, no bonuses (ok, throw in a poster for the first 500) but thats just to ensure they get the sale.



then they just do a regular pre-order with all the outlest once its greenlit incase someone missed it initially, but still wants it on release day.



my idea isnt about getting special gifts for a pre-order, it is strictly to ensure they can afford it. that is all. then they do it business as usuall after that. host the same pre-order program through all the regular channels.

They could just do it like TT does, limited edition release. It's a huge risk anyways so I don't think they would want to be left sitting on inventory.

[k_huntington]

Originally Posted by ultlife2013

They could just do it like TT does, limited edition release. It's a huge risk anyways so I don't think they would want to be left sitting on inventory.

true, but it would be cool to still find it on the shelves though at the few stores who do carry SF titles after release date, if they have that covered, it would be no sweat. i would just love to see a cool commissioned cover in all black and white

[asianxcore]

Originally Posted by BarnDoor

Perhaps. If that were the case, Scream might want to mention it, as it would give some of those complaining on Facebook food for thought.

There isn't a lot of intelligence amongst the negative folks on that FB page.

One guy even went as far to describe his financial situation. He stated that he was so poor he's lost over 10lbs because he hasn't been able to buy food. He also stated that his car is in disrepair and has no money to even fix that. (Funny enough), he also states he tries to buy as many of the Scream Factory releases as he can, but cannot because of said reasons.

If you have to post on the internet (and have the ability to) about how poor you are, you probably aren't that poor. If you can even fathom having a Blu-Ray movie collection (or even have one!), you probably aren't that poor. He tried to blame his bad situation (and/or poor decision making) and tie it into Eli Roth's picture. Said it was more of what he was used to, the rich always getting what they want. It was sad that people actually liked his post.

People on there are just stretching out how meaningless this photo was. To most of the (logical) world, it was a distribution company thanking filmmakers they enjoy by giving them their products. That's no different than what Criterion does with their videos, or what any company who makes any product does with high profile clientele.

With that said, I am so incredibly happy that I have my pre-order for the Nightbreed LE out of the way. I can't wait until October!

[spawningblue]

Originally Posted by k_huntington

re: NOTLD on blu-ray





forgive me for pulling up old stuff, i've been making my way through this whole thread for kicks and giggles during down time at work for the past 6 weeks, and felt i needed to comment on this...

why doesn't scream talk to romero, or whoever owns the original film negative/print/whatever. and see if they can get the go ahead, and see how much it would be, then sign an agreement with a contingency clause.

contingency clause would be:
scream/shout can then announce they have access to the OCN of NOTLD, and will give it the full blown special edition treatment, and they immediately post a 60 day pre-order window, and they say "we need x amount of pre-orders (FULL disclosure to the fans, just like kickstarter) and what the heck, give us a progress meter too. much like kickstarter, customer's have the chance of cancelling their pre-order, or changing their amount, but once the 60 day period has ended, IF they have exceeded the amount of sales required, then all sales are final. period. end of discussion. no refunds what so ever.

at this point, they get the film elements from romero or whoever holds them, and begin the transfer, and they sign up red shirt as well to do an extensive feature length documentary (i know there was One For The Fire, and i know there is Birth of the Living Dead) or they could see about licensing one of those instead, (and that would of course be apart of the INITIAL contract if that was the case, and that would of course be factored into the initial units needed to green light the project)

then about 4 weeks before release, they put the pre-order links for the actual product on shout.com and amazon.com and best-buy, walmart, blowitouttahere, etc. just like a regular release, and sell it business as usual on release day, and continue printing if sales are brisk.

see, the beauty in this approach is they factor in the costs for replication, marketing, special features, transferring film, negotiations, etc into the initial pre-order amount needed, and convey that exact number to the fans, that way... screw it! let the bootleggers bootleg. its already paid for by the time it ships. They already have the project covered, and any sale from here on out, (release day, and on) is PURE PROFIT.

i think that if scream followed this approach, they would have the best NOTLD on blu-ray ever, AND it would be completely paid for before the project is even greenlit. AND any sale they make release day, and on, is purely profit in their pocket.

win-win-win for everyone involved.

now where is my 10% cut for the idea??

edit: and while we're at it, make this one region free. so the entire world can get in on it.

Well that's a little embarrassing, me calling Scream greedy haha. But I stand by this would be a profitable release. After the announcement of Last Man and House on Haunted Hill I have a good feeling this will happen sooner than later now, especially if they can somehow make a deal for Dawn.

Scream has been delivering the impossible as of late so nothing at this point will surprise me from them. Here's hoping we have a Dead trilogy box set by the end of 2016!

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by spawningblue

Here's hoping we have a Dead trilogy box set by the end of 2016!

I think they're trying to make it happen.

[MNL_Boogey_Man]

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

I think they're trying to make it happen.

That would be incredible having a box set of the dead trilogy.. A must buy for me...

[Ill_Be_Back]

I finally watched sleepaway camp, the transfer is great but with the usual problems with compression. I will be watching the extras tonight, worth the money spent.

[Wolfking]

Tell me what are your plans for Summer viewing (beside theater viewing), I plan to watch some summer horrors, but mainly will be watching a lot of Shark Movies in prep for SHARK WEEK!!!!!

Here are all my Shark titles I have, to view

Bait
Jersey Shore Shark Attack
Darktide
Shark Night
Sharknado
Sharktopus
Jaws
Jaws 2
Jaws 3
Jaws: the Revenge
Dinoshark
Deep Blue Sea
Ghost Shark
Shark Zone
12 Days of Terror
Raging Sharks
Hammerhead
Malibu Shark Attack
Dark Waters
Shark Attack
Shark Attack 2
Shark Attack 3
Swamp Shark
Blue Demon
Peter Benchley's Creature
Red Water
Shark Swarm
Proteus

anything I'm missing for my Sharkathon

[Camp_Crystal_Lake]

Originally Posted by Wolfking

Tell me what are your plans for Summer viewing (beside theater viewing), I plan to watch some summer horrors, but mainly will be watching a lot of Shark Movies in prep for SHARK WEEK!!!!!

Here are all my Shark titles I have, to view

Bait
Jersey Shore Shark Attack
Darktide
Shark Night
Sharknado
Sharktopus
Jaws
Jaws 2
Jaws 3
Jaws: the Revenge
Dinoshark
Deep Blue Sea
Ghost Shark
Shark Zone
12 Days of Terror
Raging Sharks
Hammerhead
Malibu Shark Attack
Dark Waters
Shark Attack
Shark Attack 2
Shark Attack 3
Swamp Shark
Blue Demon
Peter Benchley's Creature
Red Water
Shark Swarm
Proteus

anything I'm missing for my Sharkathon

That's some serious shark viewing right there! You're missing Open Water.

[BillWatkins]

and The Reef.

[Wolfking]

Originally Posted by Camp_Crystal_Lake

That's some serious shark viewing right there! You're missing Open Water.

Originally Posted by BillWatkins

and The Reef.

I heard sharks are involved, but there not really shark films, like their the antagonist, but that's not the real focus, the focus is lost at sea. but thanks,

[BillWatkins]

These 2 IMDb lists pretty much list them all:

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls005730524...asc&defaults=1

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls000412843/

Originally Posted by Wolfking

I heard sharks are involved, but there not really shark films, like their the antagonist, but that's not the real focus, the focus is lost at sea. but thanks,

I would describe Open Water that way, but definitely not The Reef. While the people in The Reef are also lost at sea, unlike Open Water, the Shark is constantly seen and attacking, and is the main focus of the film.

[Wolfking]

Originally Posted by BillWatkins

These 2 IMDb lists pretty much list them all:

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls005730524...asc&defaults=1

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls000412843/



I would describe Open Water that way, but definitely not The Reef. While the people in The Reef are also lost at sea, unlike Open Water, the Shark is constantly seen and attacking, and is the main focus of the film.

Ok, I'll check out some of these films, including The Reef and Open Water, (Open Water because I've been hearing everyone talking about this), but what do you think of my Shark Collection, and those are the Fiction movies, I didn't list my Non-Fiction movies I have