Scream Factory Blu-ray Discussion Thread

[Worship.my.wreck]

Oh also, since you mentioned it GasmaskAvenger,

I would REALLY love it if SF released the complete Are You Afraid of the Dark series on blu ray. I've been trying to request that the last year or two. And with Paramount releasing a new film based on the show next year, it would be the perfect time to release the set.

[Michael24]

Originally Posted by Kap6289

Pinocchio's Revenge (Lionsgate?)

Yeah, pretty sure it's Lionsgate (was originally put out by Trimark Pictures), so I would like to see it done as part of their Vestron Video line. It's actually a pretty decent little psychological horror film, despite the goofy-sounding title, which was actually forced on the director.

[splintersan]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

I disagree, I love Clownhouse. It deserves to get a release, heck all films do. I very much doubt a release would get stopped at its tracks. The general public wouldn't even know it would be getting released.

Really? Did you see all of the social media nonsense over the release of Jeepers Creepers 3? Did you see how much shit SF got over releasing JC 1 and 2? That was pretty bad, even Jeff Nelson was shocked and pretty put back by the shit being thrown towards them for releasing those two films. Clownhouse would work alright at a smaller label like Severin/VS/CR but I don't see any of them doing that other than maybe Bill since he seems to not give a shit about stuff most of the time anyways.

And I would be all over a Are You Afraid of the Dark set.

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by splintersan

Really? Did you see all of the social media nonsense over the release of Jeepers Creepers 3? Did you see how much shit SF got over releasing JC 1 and 2? That was pretty bad, even Jeff Nelson was shocked and pretty put back by the shit being thrown towards them for releasing those two films. Clownhouse would work alright at a smaller label like Severin/VS/CR but I don't see any of them doing that other than maybe Bill since he seems to not give a shit about stuff most of the time anyways.

And I would be all over a Are You Afraid of the Dark set.

That's exactly my point. Bill could get away with it because first of all he doesn't give a shit and people complain about his label all the time so what difference does it make?

Also Jeepers Creepers is a popular franchise. Not many people in the general public even know what Clownhouse is and a small label like Code Red releasing it would only make some noise on a forum like this.

[kraven]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

That's exactly my point. Bill could get away with it because first of all he doesn't give a shit and people complain about his label all the time so what difference does it make?

Also Jeepers Creepers is a popular franchise. Not many people in the general public even know what Clownhouse is and a small label like Code Red releasing it would only make some noise on a forum like this.

If people know to complain about Jeepers Creepers, they are gonna know the movie where the stuff actually happened. But yes Bill doesn't care, I think he might actually see the negative attention as a way to sell product.

The weird thing it all the love Powder gets. For some reason it doesn't seem to get mixed into Salva's hate.

[MJD64]

As I have my doubts as to whether Universal would ever release such titles on Blu, and as a fan of B&W classic horror, it would be great to see Scream license such titles as The Mad Ghoul, The Mad Doctor Of Market Street, Man-Made Monster, Captive Wild Woman, The Inner Sanctum mysteries or the Rondo Hatton "Creeper" films. Don't know if this would (or could) ever be in the cards, but double-features or sets of these titles would be sweet!

[splintersan]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

That's exactly my point. Bill could get away with it because first of all he doesn't give a shit and people complain about his label all the time so what difference does it make?

Also Jeepers Creepers is a popular franchise. Not many people in the general public even know what Clownhouse is and a small label like Code Red releasing it would only make some noise on a forum like this.

How much do you follow social media? I had to stop reading my feed for weeks due to the non stop complaining and petitioning around JC3. I get it that it's a much more main stream series but Clownhouse is where he did his damage. That's the film that he's infamous for, it's the one that will get the social justice warriors in a frenzy over. Don't get me wrong, he's a despicable human being and I don't think what he did was good, but I don't believe in censorship based on association either.

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by splintersan

How much do you follow social media? I had to stop reading my feed for weeks due to the non stop complaining and petitioning around JC3. I get it that it's a much more main stream series but Clownhouse is where he did his damage. That's the film that he's infamous for, it's the one that will get the social justice warriors in a frenzy over. Don't get me wrong, he's a despicable human being and I don't think what he did was good, but I don't believe in censorship based on association either.

I don't give a shit about Salva either. I just think it deserves to be released like all films do. And the average person has no idea about Clownhouse let alone what happened behind the scenes. If you ask a random person on the street if they know about Victor Salva and what he did, they might say yes but if you ask them if they knew what film it happened during, they probably wouldn't know.

Obviously those of us collectors and people who follow films do know but like I said. I doubt Bill would give a damn about some idiots talking shit on a forum since they do that about his label anyways. Doesn't make a difference. If he was worried about it, he would never even think about releasing it.

I applaud Bill for trying to check on the status of it. Even if he doesn't end up releasing Clownhouse, at least I can say he had the balls to do it unlike Evey other label who refuses to.

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by splintersan

How much do you follow social media? I had to stop reading my feed for weeks due to the non stop complaining and petitioning around JC3. I get it that it's a much more main stream series but Clownhouse is where he did his damage. That's the film that he's infamous for, it's the one that will get the social justice warriors in a frenzy over. Don't get me wrong, he's a despicable human being and I don't think what he did was good, but I don't believe in censorship based on association either.

Victor Salva had already paid his debt to society, as per the terms dictated in a court of law, when the Jeepers Creepers movies were filmed. It's still uncomfortable to think about, of course, but those films, at least the first two were released by Scream Factory, have nothing to do with the allegations.

Clownhouse would be a more difficult pill to swallow, though, since the charges against him are related to the making of that film.

[GasmaskAvenger]

The fact that Code Red blu-rays are pretty hard to get a hold of if you're not "in the know" anyway would make them one of the few boutique labels that might be able to get away with putting Clownhouse out without much trouble.

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by GasmaskAvenger

The fact that Code Red blu-rays are pretty hard to get a hold of if you're not "in the know" anyway would make them one of the few boutique labels that might be able to get away with putting Clownhouse out without much trouble.

Exactly my point

[mja345]

If CR released "Clownhouse", I highly doubt anyone would really make much of a stink about it. 99% of the people who have even heard of Code Red are film nerds like most of us on this board.

I mean, Kino just released "Blame it on Rio" and I haven't heard anyone complaining about that. Probably because most people who would be upset, one, have never heard of the film and, two, have no idea it's being released on BD. But that's a film that would send SJWs into a real tizzy. Salva is scum, but I'd like the film to get a release and most independent home video labels are pretty far off the radar of the general public. "Jeepers Creepers 3" received a lot of attention because it's a current film and the type of people who make a stink on social media are far more aware of current films.

[Michael24]

This forum is the only reason I even know there was a Jeepers Creepers 3. I had no clue there was a new film until I saw a thread for it pop up in the Blu-ray discussion. I spend a fair amount of time online and on social media, I saw nothing about it.

In any event, I would love to see Powder on Blu-ray. I remember enjoying it in the theater (I had no clue who Salva was at the time) but haven't seen it again since it first came out on video a short time later.

[redrunner97]

Apparently not wanting a film where the director molested a child actor in between the scenes to be released again, in accordance with the victim's wishes, makes someone an SJW...

Seriously, how could anyone even sit through that movie and not be constantly distracted by an aching disgust bubbling over in their stomach. Just knowing about it makes my skin crawl. I genuinely hope it never gets released again. Thankfully I can't imagine it would be a good enough seller to justify even the most brazen indie label making such a bad PR move (and that's if MGM would even agree to license it out in the first place).

This isn't about censorship of media or art. If anything it's an exception to the rule. But that's wholly irrelevant in my opinion, considering the victim has let it publicly be known that he doesn't ever want the film to be released again.

[SeanJoyce]

Originally Posted by redrunner97

This isn't about censorship of media or art. If anything it's an exception to the rule.

I'm confused, so it is censorship, yes? And if we allow "exceptions", when do these start becoming the norm?

But that's wholly irrelevant in my opinion, considering the victim has let it publicly be known that he doesn't ever want the film to be released again.

The victim's opinion on the state of the movie's availability is what's irrelevant.

What transpired on the set of Clownhouse is tragic and reprehensible, but that doesn't mean it isn't a generally well-made and effective little horror film. I can sympathize with those unable to separate the art from the artist, but by the same token there are many of us who can.

[AKORIS]

I haven't seen Clownhouse for a very long time.... think it was on HBO or Showtime....

I remember it being pretty good and clowns (to most people) automatically add a chill factor to horror films. I do remember however that something seemed odd with scenes of young boys running around in their underwear...

I can definitely differentiate fantasy (movies) from reality (actors or directors in real life) and still enjoy the movie... but I have to admit that this one particular example is a bit stronger than most.... it would be almost impossible to think about stuff you don't want to think about while watching the movie....

[Worship.my.wreck]

Trying to shame people for wanting a film released is pathetic. If anyone is against Salva and all his films, then that's fine, I respect your opinion. But don't try to shame me for wanting Clownhouse to get released. No one would be forcing you to buy it. Those that want to, will buy it, it's not going to be the end of the world if it gets released...

[SeanJoyce]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

I haven't seen Clownhouse for a very long time.... think it was on HBO or Showtime....

I remember it being pretty good and clowns (to most people) automatically add a chill factor to horror films. I do remember however that something seemed odd with scenes of young boys running around in their underwear...

I can definitely differentiate fantasy (movies) from reality (actors or directors in real life) and still enjoy the movie... but I have to admit that this one particular example is a bit stronger than most.... it would be almost impossible to think about stuff you don't want to think about while watching the movie....

That is all undeniably true and the biggest argument against Clownhouse I can side with is that the director's perversion managed to manifest itself on camera.

It isn't the easiest thing to look past, and I confess to feeling a bit "dirty" doing so. But as you said, clowns are creepy and this one arguably does the most adept job at exploring that phobia.

And it being Sam Rockwell's big-screen debut adds merit.

[redrunner97]

Originally Posted by SeanJoyce

I'm confused, so it is censorship, yes? And if we allow "exceptions", when do these start becoming the norm?

I'd argue that there are already exceptions to the rule (snuff films, child pornography, etc.) and I'm pretty sure you'd agree with those being off limits for public consumption.

What makes this film unique, in my mind, is that it's artistic merit is questionable when you take into account the fact that it was used as an avenue for Salva to prey on the lead actor. He didn't just direct the film. He also wrote it, including the role that he later cast with a child actor he seemingly intended to molest.

I guess if I had to express myself concisely, I would say that I reject this film as art and thus I don't view this as a censorship issue in the narrow sense.

[splintersan]

Originally Posted by mja345

If CR released "Clownhouse", I highly doubt anyone would really make much of a stink about it. 99% of the people who have even heard of Code Red are film nerds like most of us on this board.

I mean, Kino just released "Blame it on Rio" and I haven't heard anyone complaining about that. Probably because most people who would be upset, one, have never heard of the film and, two, have no idea it's being released on BD. But that's a film that would send SJWs into a real tizzy. Salva is scum, but I'd like the film to get a release and most independent home video labels are pretty far off the radar of the general public. "Jeepers Creepers 3" received a lot of attention because it's a current film and the type of people who make a stink on social media are far more aware of current films.

This doesn't even make sense. They are upset at JC3 being made and released, allowing Salva to direct it and continue to work in the field. They are fully aware of what he did and the film he did it on, otherwise how could they even be upset about it?

I'm not saying it shouldn't be released, I firmly stand that it should be released. My point is that it will be hard to release and I agree with worship, CR is the most likely to release with the least amount "problems" from these people.

I doubt any of those people are going to stop watching Miramax films after all this Weinstein shit and he ****ed up substantially more people than Salva. And I bet they still watch Polanski & Allen films too.