Scream Factory Blu-ray Discussion Thread

[Member-222782]

Originally Posted by TripleHBK

When that was announced and then rescinded by Shout wasn't the ongoing conversation regarding where Scream Factory obtained the rights for the print that they had? If I remember correctly they have rights from a foreign market holder which would indicate a different cut of the film as I remember things. (I could be off in my recollection though) I think the delay in that title was speculated to be because of a challenge from Sony or another party in regards to the film and whether or not Shout Factory can legally release it in the US. If any part of that is true then I would wager that no deal with Sony exists.

It was never confirmed but the consensus was that Shout licensed a version of the film directly from the Producers but Sony stepped in and stopped it for whatever reason. After the postponement, a preorder link materialized, which has since been shot down by Shout. If this is another one of Shout's fake denials (like with Hell Night) then I would interpret it to be a potential Shout-Sony deal on the basis of Shout being allowed to go forward with releasing the Blu-ray. But all of this is still speculation so who knows.

[TripleHBK]

Originally Posted by Cinema74

It was never confirmed but the consensus was that Shout licensed a version of the film directly from the Producers but Sony stepped in and stopped it for whatever reason. After the postponement, a preorder link materialized, which has since been shot down by Shout. If this is another one of Shout's fake denials (like with Hell Night) then I would interpret it to be a potential Shout-Sony deal on the basis of Shout being allowed to go forward with releasing the Blu-ray. But all of this is still speculation so who knows.

Interesting. Given the rollout of Hell Night and the issues that accompanied that release, perhaps Piranha II is another title in a similar situation. Maybe the announcement was made before materials had been sourced and as a result Shout is again trying to make due with what they have and/or locate better materials.

[zbinks]

RE: Piranha II and Sony

When they made the original (now deleted) announcement on 09/29/2017, they made the following (also deleted) comments:

Originally Posted by Scream Factory 09/29/2017

We did not license this from Sony and we don't have a deal with them.

https://www.facebook.com/ScreamFactoryDVD/posts/1072638856206458?comment_id=1072641436206200&reply _comment_id=1072642706206073&comment_tracking={"tn ":"R9"}

Originally Posted by Scream Factory 09/29/2017

No deal with Sony. We licensed directly from the overseas partners on this.

https://www.facebook.com/ScreamFactoryDVD/posts/1072638856206458?comment_id=1072639986206345&reply _comment_id=1072640956206248&comment_tracking={"tn ":"R9"}

As far as I'm aware, Sony's role in the delay has not been confirmed or denied by Scream Factory. All that was specified was that the delay was "...prompted by some unexpected issues that arose from the project after we announced it..."

When the Amazon preorder went up a couple weeks ago they responded to an inquiry as follows:

Originally Posted by Scream Factory 12/28/2017

This is a mistake and is in the process of being corrected. We have no updates on Piranha II at this time.

https://www.facebook.com/ScreamFactoryDVD/posts/1122844361185907?comment_id=1122968591173484&comme nt_tracking={"tn":"R"}

[bruce holecheck]

Originally Posted by TripleHBK

A deal with Sony is unlikely unless Sony changes their policy regarding special features.

Sony has no such policy. Every company who has licensed from Sony (Criterion, Grindhouse, Twilight Time, even Mill Creek) has created new special features.

[thatguamguy]

Originally Posted by TripleHBK

If I remember correctly they have rights from a foreign market holder which would indicate a different cut of the film as I remember things. (I could be off in my recollection though)

It's kind of even more complicated than that; there are two cuts, the international cut and the director's re-cut. The producers fired Cameron at some debated point (either towards the end of shooting or immediately after it), and then they put out the international cut. When it was getting a US release, Cameron contacted the US distributor and convinced them to let him re-cut the footage. (Whoever the original distributor was, the rights to the Cameron cut and the US distribution rights to the film wound up with Sony.) This cut was supposedly released theatrically, and was definitely released on a limited edition laserdisc, but all subsequent releases (including the Sony DVD) have been the international cut.

(I posit that the most likely reason for this is that the international producers still own the original negative, so any releases need to go through them for sources; since they don't own the Cameron cut, they don't want to pay for the rights to release it.)

So the people they contacted would only have the rights to what is generally considered the inferior (but much more widely-released) cut of the film.

[Worship.my.wreck]

As for sub licensing Sony titles, I'd rather have a bare bones release than no release at all. If that's what it takes for SF to release some of their titles then so be it. Its better than letting their back catalog rot in Hell forever and never to be released. Special features aren't the end all be all.

Also, I find it especially weird that Sony randomly released 976-Evil last year in what looked like it could be a new line starting, but we haven't heard anything about any other titles coming out. Or maybe it just didn't sell well enough for them and they decided not to release anymore?

Warner on the other hand seems to be doing right by the fans and releasing more of their back cataloge through their Warner Archive line.

Lionsgate as well is doing their thing with the Vestron line (however so slowly)

Paramount on the other hand seems to be doing jack squat though. So SF need to desperately try to make a deal. Open up those pockets. Otherwise SF will be doomed eventually if they don't make a deal with one of these studios.

[redrunner97]

And let's not forget that a lot of Sony titles have extras from the DVD era already.

But I'm in agreement that there must be more to the story on Sony not letting Shout! make new extras... maybe they will allow the creation of new extras, they just want to OWN the extras once the licensing deal expires ? Idk.

[TripleHBK]

Originally Posted by bruce holecheck

Sony has no such policy. Every company who has licensed from Sony (Criterion, Grindhouse, Twilight Time, even Mill Creek) has created new special features.

But Sony then owns the special features do they not? Sony's policy has always been stated that no new special features can be created for it's titles. After many conversations on the topic I sort of came to the conclusion that they are ok with special features so long as they take ownership of them. If my thoughts are correct, this means that Shout who likes to tout their special features as a major selling point would have to hand off control of whatever they created thereby losing out on potential licensing revenue in the future in the event another company does a release of their own and would want to include them.

[RedHarvest]

I wouldn't rule out any potential deals SF might procure with other studios. All it takes is the right guy with the right connection. They haven't made any progress towards Paramount or Sony, that I know of, but maybe someday they'll crack one of these big markets and get some new and interesting titles for the CE line. SF has to be making a profit off these titles; they've pretty much reinvented the horror CE for the physical media collector/horror film fan.

[bruce holecheck]

Originally Posted by TripleHBK

But Sony then owns the special features do they not? Sony's policy has always been stated that no new special features can be created for it's titles. After many conversations on the topic I sort of came to the conclusion that they are ok with special features so long as they take ownership of them. If my thoughts are correct, this means that Shout who likes to tout their special features as a major selling point would have to hand off control of whatever they created thereby losing out on potential licensing revenue in the future in the event another company does a release of their own and would want to include them.

Also not true.

[bruce holecheck]

Final specs announced for Scream's upcoming Blu of Sam Raimi’s DRAG ME TO HELL (2009):

Disc One:
* NEW HD Master Of The Theatrical Cut Taken From The 2K Digital Intermediate
* Production Diaries - With Behind-the-scenes Footage And Interviews With Co-writer/director Sam Raimi, Actors Allison Lohman, Justin Long, David Paymer, Dileep Rao, Lorna Raver, Special Effects Guru Greg Nicotero, Director Of Photography Peter Deming, And More (35 Minutes)
* Vintage Interviews With Director Sam Raimi And Actors Alison Lohman And Justin Long (33 Minutes)
* TV Spots
* Theatrical Trailer

Disc Two:
* NEW HD Master Of The Unrated Cut Taken From The 2K Digital Intermediate
* NEW To Hell And Back – An Interview With Actress Alison Lohman (12 Minutes)
* NEW Curses! – An Interview With Actress Lorna Raver (16 Minutes)
* NEW Hitting All The Right Notes – An Interview With Composer Christopher Young (17 Minutes)
* Still Gallery

[Jlouisbarrett]

It’s really great news that this will be an intermediate scan after all as opposed to a film scan, like what they’d done with Dawn of the Dead.

[SeanJoyce]

Originally Posted by bruce holecheck

Final specs announced for Scream's upcoming Blu of Sam Raimi’s DRAG ME TO HELL (2009):

[Show spoiler]Disc One:
* NEW HD Master Of The Theatrical Cut Taken From The 2K Digital Intermediate
* Production Diaries - With Behind-the-scenes Footage And Interviews With Co-writer/director Sam Raimi, Actors Allison Lohman, Justin Long, David Paymer, Dileep Rao, Lorna Raver, Special Effects Guru Greg Nicotero, Director Of Photography Peter Deming, And More (35 Minutes)
* Vintage Interviews With Director Sam Raimi And Actors Alison Lohman And Justin Long (33 Minutes)
* TV Spots
* Theatrical Trailer

Disc Two:
* NEW HD Master Of The Unrated Cut Taken From The 2K Digital Intermediate
* NEW To Hell And Back – An Interview With Actress Alison Lohman (12 Minutes)
* NEW Curses! – An Interview With Actress Lorna Raver (16 Minutes)
* NEW Hitting All The Right Notes – An Interview With Composer Christopher Young (17 Minutes)
* Still Gallery

How totally unnecessary. Really scraping the barrel, Shout.

[TripleHBK]

Originally Posted by bruce holecheck

Also not true.

Something is stopping other studios from mining the Sony catalog so if you have other information I'd love to hear it. Speaking of which.... any info to share on The Unnameable? Specifically, any idea on which quarter of the year this could see release?

[NightKing]

What is everyone's favorite movies in the Collector's Edition line? I'm still new to collecting them and I want to see if there are any consensus great ones that should be on my list to get.

[TheZatch]

Originally Posted by NightKing

What is everyone's favorite movies in the Collector's Edition line? I'm still new to collecting them and I want to see if there are any consensus great ones that should be on my list to get.

- Halloween III: Season of the Witch
- Terror Train (if you can find a copy, new or used. It just went out of print.)
- The Howling
- The Fog
- Day Of The Dead
- Sleepaway Camp
- Nightbreed
- The Babadook
- Army of Darkness
- Texas Chainsaw 2 (even if I don't particularly care for the film itself, it has quite a few special features)
- Return of the Living Dead
- Invasion Of The Body Snatchers
- Carrie
- Black Christmas
- Slither
- Teen Wolf
- Silent Night, Deadly Night

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by TheZatch

- Halloween III: Season of the Witch
- Terror Train (if you can find a copy, new or used. It just went out of print.)
- The Howling
- The Fog
- Day Of The Dead
- Sleepaway Camp
- Nightbreed
- The Babadook
- Army of Darkness
- Texas Chainsaw 2 (even if I don't particularly care for the film itself, it has quite a few special features)
- Return of the Living Dead
- Invasion Of The Body Snatchers
- Carrie
- Black Christmas
- Slither
- Teen Wolf
- Silent Night, Deadly Night

based on the combination of liking/loving the movie and owning the disc...

[crikan]

Originally Posted by NightKing

What is everyone's favorite movies in the Collector's Edition line? I'm still new to collecting them and I want to see if there are any consensus great ones that should be on my list to get.

Get all of them


Thing, The
Return of the Living Dead, The
Lifeforce
Carrie
Sleepaway Camp 2: Unhappy Campers
Sleepaway Camp
Silent Night, Deadly Night
Species
Howling, The
Psycho 2
Psycho 3
Burning, The
Pumpkinhead
Class of 1984
Deadly Blessing
Dolls
Deadly Eyes

[Lacrimosa]

Originally Posted by NightKing

What is everyone's favorite movies in the Collector's Edition line? I'm still new to collecting them and I want to see if there are any consensus great ones that should be on my list to get.

Honestly, it's a pretty strong list of films.

If I had to list my favorite five it would probably be:

1. Ginger Snaps
2. The Thing
3. Jeepers Creepers
4. Halloween III
5. The Return of the Living Dead

[jthefrank]

The Thing
Army of Darkness
They Live
Slither
Carrie