Scream Factory Blu-ray Discussion Thread

[LordSummerIsle]

Add Night Flier to that list!

[SonnybytheSea]

Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

These recent Fox titles are from a deal Shout got in just before the Disney merger finalized last January. I imagine having Fox approve and oversee things is taking a while being their staff was reduced and is merging with Disney's, hence why these announcements all tricking out when things are set to do so.

Fox had been in negotiations with Disney to sell since November of 2017 and the share holders voted in July of 2018. During that time when Fox was negotiating the sale they must show all potential buyers what types of deals are in place so the other company would know what might be at stake or a potential loss. So if Fox had was already making a deal with Shout Factory to release some of their catalogue titles, then Disney would have already been aware of it and potential prevented certain films from being released.

Put it this way if Disney had paid 71.3 billion dollars for Fox and after everything was finalized was told after the acquisition in March of 2019, that Star Wars already has a 5 year distribution (licensing) deal with Shout Factory, that Disney would have paid that amount only to have to wait another 5 years or so to be able to release their own Blu-Ray or Streaming purposes? I'd say No.

My point is that even though Fox made the deal with Shout Factory, I'm sure Disney looked at the catalogue of Films that was part of the deal and allowed for them to be used.

Plus Disney let Shout Factory release Gravity Falls on DVD, so what makes everyone think they'd prevent them from releasing others films as well?

[EManT2200]

I checked on Shout's website, they are showing the aspect ratio for Curse of the Werewolf as 2.00:1.

[EManT2200]

Hmmmmmm, and they are showing The Spider as 1.66:1.

[EManT2200]

Originally Posted by EManT2200

I checked on Shout's website, they are showing the aspect ratio for Curse of the Werewolf as 2.00:1.

I was considering a double-dip for Werewolf, but, if it is 2.00:1 again, then perhaps not.

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by EManT2200

I checked on Shout's website, they are showing the aspect ratio for Curse of the Werewolf as 2.00:1.

as long as the 1:66 is included....

[jcs913]

Hopefully LA looks better than the lackluster NY release from Shout.

[Member-222782]

I want The Abyss, True Lies and The Godfather.

[SpaceBlackKnight]

Originally Posted by SonnybytheSea

Fox had been in negotiations with Disney to sell since November of 2017 and the share holders voted in July of 2018. During that time when Fox was negotiating the sale they must show all potential buyers what types of deals are in place so the other company would know what might be at stake or a potential loss. So if Fox had was already making a deal with Shout Factory to release some of their catalogue titles, then Disney would have already been aware of it and potential prevented certain films from being released.

Put it this way if Disney had paid 71.3 billion dollars for Fox and after everything was finalized was told after the acquisition in March of 2019, that Star Wars already has a 5 year distribution (licensing) deal with Shout Factory, that Disney would have paid that amount only to have to wait another 5 years or so to be able to release their own Blu-Ray or Streaming purposes? I'd say No.

My point is that even though Fox made the deal with Shout Factory, I'm sure Disney looked at the catalogue of Films that was part of the deal and allowed for them to be used.

Plus Disney let Shout Factory release Gravity Falls on DVD, so what makes everyone think they'd prevent them from releasing others films as well?

The Kino Lorber insider said Fox/Disney aren't granting new licences at this time, probably not until 2021. Twilight Time's output is limited because they were too late to get a new deal in, and add the fact Sony also sees buyers wanting more of their back catalog put out through the MOD line along with the Mill Creek and Shout Deals.

Getting back to Foxney, it would've made sense for Shout and Criterion to have gotten in deals before the merger finalized, and the reason why they're announcing the new Fox titles now is because Disney briefed over what took place before they stopped granting new licences and still approved it.

Gravity Falls is a one off from Disney and only happened because the shows creator Alex Hirsch originally pushed Disney for a complete series release, but were uninterested due chances of it being unprofitable. Hirsch went to Shout and got them to make pricey offers to Disney until they gave in.

Even then Shout were lucky enough to succeed getting a Disney title as Disney very rarely licences out TV shows and films put out through their banner, as evidenced by the hassles Kino Lorber had to face with only getting the ABC/Selznick catalog and the Touchstone/Hollywood titles Disney never put out themselves.

[Worship.my.wreck]

Escape from LA is the only title i might consider grabbing. Not really interested in the other 3. They don't look interesting at all.

[SonnybytheSea]

Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

The Kino Lorber insider said Fox/Disney aren't granting new licences at this time, probably not until 2021. Twilight Time's output is limited because they were too late to get a new deal in, and add the fact Sony also sees buyers wanting more of their back catalog put out through the MOD line along with the Mill Creek and Shout Deals.

Getting back to Foxney, it would've made sense for Shout and Criterion to have gotten in deals before the merger finalized, and the reason why they're announcing the new Fox titles now is because Disney briefed over what took place before they stopped granting new licences and still approved it.

Gravity Falls is a one off from Disney and only happened because the shows creator Alex Hirsch originally pushed Disney for a complete series release, but were uninterested due chances of it being unprofitable. Hirsch went to Shout and got them to make pricey offers to Disney until they gave in.

Even then Shout were lucky enough to succeed getting a Disney title as Disney very rarely licences out TV shows and films put out through their banner, as evidenced by the hassles Kino Lorber had to face with only getting the ABC/Selznick catalog and the Touchstone/Hollywood titles Disney never put out themselves.

So apparently because the Kino Lorber insider said Fox/Disney aren't granting new licenses at this time or not until 2021, that Disney is NEVER going to license out anything from Fox every again? Sounds like Disney wants to go through the catalogue titles and weed out what they want to use for their own media use before allowing other companies to license too.

I heard that Alex Hirsch originally asked Disney to release a complete series set and they weren't interested in doing it, but to say he got Shout to make pricey offers to Disney is a bit of a stretch, since Shout would be gambling on a high license deal that might not recoup the cost. I'm sure they asked Disney for it and Disney told them how much it would cost and they ironed out the rest.

Now Disney in the past let Anchor Bay release some of their own back catalogue when DVD was new, I don't see them ever doing that again because of Disney+. But I could see them letting Shout or Kino release something like Trenchcoat (1983) in the future maybe.

Obviously with their Fox titles anything that is Family friendly would go to Disney+ or the latter and all TV-shows to either Disney+ or Hulu. The big blockbusters and franchises will get released by Disney in other formats as well. But films like Brian DePalma's The Fury (1978) I could see Disney letting Shout or Kino release that at some point. I'm not saying today or in 2021, but eventually down the line.

Disney has shown their open to letting others release their films, I'm sure whatever contract they make them sign is the same that WB or Paramount made SF jump through. The only studio who's ever been a hold out on licensing their catalogue has been Lionsgate.

[Zygmunt22]

Originally Posted by deltatauhobbit

Wouldn't mind these also getting added to the Hammer wantlist since these have no release anywhere in the world (other than The Old Dark House). Most of these fall under the "adventure" realm so Shout would likely be a better fit:
Spaceways (1953) - Fox/Disney?
Men of Sherwood Forest (1954) - ?
Visa To Canton [Passport to China] (1961) - Sony
The Old Dark House (1963) - Sony
The Secret of Blood Island (1964) - ?
The Devil-Ship Pirates (1964) - Sony
The Scarlet Blade [The Crimson Blade](1964) - Sony
The Brigand of Kandahar (1965) - Sony
A Challenge for Robin Hood (1967) - Fox/Disney

Shame that the Fox titles will likely never be released now that Disney has their grubby hands on it. At least there's still hope internationally.

I'll be picking up The Lost Continent and Shatter (first release of these Hammer films in the world), I'll also eventually upgrade my existing blu-ray copies of Curse of the Werewolf and Captain Kronos with these (provided it's true that Curse has a new transfer). It'll also be good to not have to rely on my region free player to watch Captain Kronos.

Wade Williams lays claim to Spaceways in the US.

[Rzzzz]

Originally Posted by EManT2200

I checked on Shout's website, they are showing the aspect ratio for Curse of the Werewolf as 2.00:1.

Speaking of Oliver Reed, I wonder why The Trap (1966) hasn't been released on blu ray. That film would look beautiful in HD. I even checked the U.K. but found nothing...

[SpaceBlackKnight]

Originally Posted by SonnybytheSea

So apparently because the Kino Lorber insider said Fox/Disney aren't granting new licenses at this time or not until 2021, that Disney is NEVER going to license out anything from Fox every again? Sounds like Disney wants to go through the catalogue titles and weed out what they want to use for their own media use before allowing other companies to license too.

I heard that Alex Hirsch originally asked Disney to release a complete series set and they weren't interested in doing it, but to say he got Shout to make pricey offers to Disney is a bit of a stretch, since Shout would be gambling on a high license deal that might not recoup the cost. I'm sure they asked Disney for it and Disney told them how much it would cost and they ironed out the rest.

Now Disney in the past let Anchor Bay release some of their own back catalogue when DVD was new, I don't see them ever doing that again because of Disney+. But I could see them letting Shout or Kino release something like Trenchcoat (1983) in the future maybe.

Obviously with their Fox titles anything that is Family friendly would go to Disney+ or the latter and all TV-shows to either Disney+ or Hulu. The big blockbusters and franchises will get released by Disney in other formats as well. But films like Brian DePalma's The Fury (1978) I could see Disney letting Shout or Kino release that at some point. I'm not saying today or in 2021, but eventually down the line.

Disney has shown their open to letting others release their films, I'm sure whatever contract they make them sign is the same that WB or Paramount made SF jump through. The only studio who's ever been a hold out on licensing their catalogue has been Lionsgate.

Disney is open to licencing, but are extremely strict and only licence out lesser titles unless someone wants to pay them a ransom for a title they really want. Aside from the ABC and Touchstone/Hollywood titles they don't care much for, licencing a Disney/TV property from the mouse themselves isn't a cheap and easy task .They were reportedly difficult to work with making the Gravity Falls set happen. Shout wanted to make the set region free to appeal as many overseas fans and customers as possible, but Disney only gave them North American rights in the licence and were forced to lock the BD set to A and the DVD set to 1.

The Anchor Bay DVD deal they had was also not without problems. Disney were strict with them too in that they couldn't have the Disney or Buena Vista presents tags mentioned on the art/disc and had the distribution logos trimmed as well. Watcher in the Woods was the last Anchor Bay DVD from the deal as Anchor Bay wanted out and Disney wanted to reissue the former AB titles with improved transfers and the Disney names restored to them. At least Shout was able to use the Disney name and logos on the Gravity Fall set.

Likely that once Disney gets all things in order, they'll put a tighter limit on what Fox content is available for licencing and what isn't. This would mean popular mid tier properties like Home Alone, Office Space, Commando, and some of the animated stuff won't be available. But things like The Fury or Titan A.E Foxney won't put out on BD themselves, so they'd likely be up for grabs to whichever label expressed interest.

Shout tried for many years to get the Omen films, but it was still Fox's bigger property at the time and originally had plans to release remastered BDs of the 1976 Omen and the 2006 remake (which are the only Omen films to have 4k masters). Fox abandoned those plans when they saw the Damien series tanking and getting canned after 1 season. As Fox pretty much left the Omen franchise dormant, they eventually took Shout's offer just before the merger which miraculously got us a nicer Omen collection.

[Jobla]

Someone with Facebook has stated that Scream Factory has said that CURSE OF THE WEREWOLF will be in 1:85-1. Yes, this is third-hand information, but it might be of interest anyway, if true.

[SonnybytheSea]

Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

Disney is open to licencing, but are extremely strict and only licence out lesser titles unless someone wants to pay them a ransom for a title they really want. Aside from the ABC and Touchstone/Hollywood titles they don't care much for, licencing a Disney/TV property from the mouse themselves isn't a cheap and easy task .They were reportedly difficult to work with making the Gravity Falls set happen. Shout wanted to make the set region free to appeal as many overseas fans and customers as possible, but Disney only gave them North American rights in the licence and were forced to lock the BD set to A and the DVD set to 1.

The Anchor Bay DVD deal they had was also not without problems. Disney were strict with them too in that they couldn't have the Disney or Buena Vista presents tags mentioned on the art/disc and had the distribution logos trimmed as well. Watcher in the Woods was the last Anchor Bay DVD from the deal as Anchor Bay wanted out and Disney wanted to reissue the former AB titles with improved transfers and the Disney names restored to them. At least Shout was able to use the Disney name and logos on the Gravity Fall set.

Likely that once Disney gets all things in order, they'll put a tighter limit on what Fox content is available for licencing and what isn't. This would mean popular mid tier properties like Home Alone, Office Space, Commando, and some of the animated stuff won't be available. But things like The Fury or Titan A.E Foxney won't put out on BD themselves, so they'd likely be up for grabs to whichever label expressed interest.

Shout tried for many years to get the Omen films, but it was still Fox's bigger property at the time and originally had plans to release remastered BDs of the 1976 Omen and the 2006 remake (which are the only Omen films to have 4k masters). Fox abandoned those plans when they saw the Damien series tanking and getting canned after 1 season. As Fox pretty much left the Omen franchise dormant, they eventually took Shout's offer just before the merger which miraculously got us a nicer Omen collection.

We basically agree on everything, I just find it weird that people keep acting as if Disney is going to stop letting licensing from happening ever again.

It's obvious that most Disney branded films are all family rated G or PG so will only be available on Disney+ and that would go the same with any Fox family films (Home Alone, Mrs. Doubtfire etc) that fit the Disney mold.

Now with Fox Horror Films, Disney will never license out Alien Series, Predator Series and The Rocky Horror Picture Show. I could even see them refusing to let SF renew licensing the Omen and the Fly series in the future.

I could see them allowing SF to license Jennifer's Body, The Fury and What Lies Beneath etc.

The Grey area could be films like 28 Days Later/weeks where Disney might feel theres potential for more films or tv-shows in the future.

Now from my understanding most Studios don't allow region free disc. Now we don't know if Disney had other deals outside North American with the licensing rights with GF, that's probably why they had it locked to region 1/A. They might even look at the North American Sales figures and decide to release it themselves in other Countries!!
Anytime I've heard a disc being Region Free it wasn't actually supposed to be, the film was never locked. Only Criterion and Arrow has ever done that and from what I understand they still mark them with the Region code of the country it was being sold in and you have to buy it to find out if it'll play in your country or not.....

[sancho]

I’m in for The Curse of the Werewolf.

[JasonMichael]

Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

But things like The Fury or Titan A.E Foxney won't put out on BD themselves, so they'd likely be up for grabs to whichever label expressed interest.

If it's true that titles they aren't willing to put out themselves would be available to outside parties, then I can soon look forward to finally getting "Song of the South" on Blu! Excellent news!

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

The Kino Lorber insider said Fox/Disney aren't granting new licences at this time, probably not until 2021.

I read that as “Disney wasn’t interested in licensing anything in 2020, but hopefully we’ll be able to do a deal in 2021”.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by SonnybytheSea

We basically agree on everything, I just find it weird that people keep acting as if Disney is going to stop letting licensing from happening ever again.

It’s difficult to be optimistic when you read stuff like this.

https://www.vulture.com/2019/10/disn...its-vault.html