4K Movies Releases

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, firstly, I don’t consider the press to be ‘techfluencers’…the good ones (like 'news-breaking' Carolyn ) are pure reporters. I think of ‘Techfluencers’ as more akin to the studio executives who are directors or VPs of technology (e.g. http://www.hollywooditsociety.com/sp.../who-attended/ ), cinematographers and Directors who were ‘by invitation only’ invited to the Dolby Vision showings set-up at for instance the Harmony Gold ( http://www.harmonygold.com/theater/ ) and Vine theater long before Tomorrowland in Dolby Vision premiered at the El Cap for the Audio Video website blogger types.

But to directly answer your question as to what/why/how much *wow* there is/will be with the HDR version of some upcoming movies, you have to understand that the final look is more related to what the filmmakers are/were trying to accomplish with their storytelling. It’s very dependent upon creative choice and plus, it’s still a learning process for all the filmmakers.

What I mean is that like for instance with T-land, the Director, DP and VFX could have chosen to go more *WOW* with the contrast and color palette, but they weren’t out to construct the movie aesthetic around a powerful post production tool…..like some viewers may have experienced with material shown at professional trade shows…IBC, NAB, CineGear, etc.

But I think that anyone with a remotely critical eye should be able to identify the superior color and contrast of the HDR as opposed to the SDR version of T-land had they’d been viewed side-by-side in the theater setting. Viewing only the HDR version in a theater and how much someone will appreciate the improved PQ… well, people have different sensibilities. Also, I suspect that some early Users (Directors) will grade in Dolby Vision in order to enable a more refined , elegant look to their work, which would otherwise be flat, whereas others will barely exploit the tool at all (e.g. Directors like David F. who prefer a desaturated look with a lot of their material). Different strokes for different folks.

I've wondered about this myself. Our eyes are incredible optical comparators and I think the most extreme differences would be seen with side by side comparisons, which obviously won't happen in theaters. This is why we see them all the time on show and store floors for 4K. Even when comparing projectors for reviews and looking at contrast and blacks it is amazing how good or bad something can look when compared with something else, even if you thought it looked spectacular before the direct comparison. I'm looking forward to getting an opportunity to see HDR myself at some point theatrically (possibly in October when I visit Dallas for CEDIA) and see what I think about it compared to the fantastic video I'm seeing at the Seattle Cinerama with their 6P 4K laser projectors. I went to see Ant Man in 3D at the Seattle IMAX which just installed the new IMAX 4K dual laser projector setup (along with a new screen, seats and the new IMAX audio system) and I have to say I wasn't that impressed. The 2D trailers before hand all looked a bit over processed and not nearly as good as the same trailers seen at the Cinerama and the 3D pic for Ant Man was riddled with distracting picture issues like line twitter, aliasing, noise reduction and noise. Even my wife commented on it. Not impressed at all, looked like a big flat panel TV with all the crappy display enhancements turned to 11.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

I've wondered about this myself. Our eyes are incredible optical comparators...

Beyond de retina, da brain also does a purrty good job at further increasing our ability to see...Vernier acuity (hyperacuity, i.e. matching up side-by-side lines)

Lecture 21 – http://wenku.baidu.com/view/79565f21...bf78a551b.html

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

side by side comparisons

I notice that your bud from up there in the northwest likes ‘em (side-by-sides) too for illustrative purposes….

Should you trust the 80:1 in INFOCOMM's PISCR standard? - YouTube

But where's the sound ? We at least need some background music. Tell Darin I felt like a critter stuck in an air conditioning duct.

[Penton-Man]

Irrational Man Official TRAILER (2015) Emma Stone, Woody Allen Comedy Movie - YouTube

Irrational Man 4K DCP….
Image Format: 4096 x 1716 (scope)
Audio Format: 5.1
Feature Run Time: 01:34:44

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I notice that your bud from up there in the northwest likes ‘em (side-by-sides) too for illustrative purposes….

Should you trust the 80:1 in INFOCOMM's PISCR standard? - YouTube

But where's the sound ? We at least need some background music. Tell Darin I felt like a critter stuck in an air conditioning duct.

I can't tell you how frustrated he is with that whole situation. I helped him prepare a brief he did on this a few weeks ago on it and we did a lot of testing on it in my room.

[Spike M.]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

I've wondered about this myself. Our eyes are incredible optical comparators and I think the most extreme differences would be seen with side by side comparisons, which obviously won't happen in theaters. This is why we see them all the time on show and store floors for 4K. Even when comparing projectors for reviews and looking at contrast and blacks it is amazing how good or bad something can look when compared with something else, even if you thought it looked spectacular before the direct comparison. I'm looking forward to getting an opportunity to see HDR myself at some point theatrically (possibly in October when I visit Dallas for CEDIA) and see what I think about it compared to the fantastic video I'm seeing at the Seattle Cinerama with their 6P 4K laser projectors. I went to see Ant Man in 3D at the Seattle IMAX which just installed the new IMAX 4K dual laser projector setup (along with a new screen, seats and the new IMAX audio system) and I have to say I wasn't that impressed. The 2D trailers before hand all looked a bit over processed and not nearly as good as the same trailers seen at the Cinerama and the 3D pic for Ant Man was riddled with distracting picture issues like line twitter, aliasing, noise reduction and noise. Even my wife commented on it. Not impressed at all, looked like a big flat panel TV with all the crappy display enhancements turned to 11.

I don't think I've ever seen a Marvel movie look good inside an IMAX theater. Guardians, Cap 2, Avengers 2, Ant-Man... they've all looked like they've been way over-sharpened. In contrast, even on those 2K projectors, I think the 2D M:I 5 trailers looked mostly fantastic.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Spike M.

I don't think I've ever seen a Marvel movie look good inside an IMAX theater. Guardians, Cap 2, Avengers 2, Ant-Man... they've all looked like they've been way over-sharpened....

Their *secret sauce* is a bit spicy.

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Spike M.

I don't think I've ever seen a Marvel movie look good inside an IMAX theater. Guardians, Cap 2, Avengers 2, Ant-Man... they've all looked like they've been way over-sharpened. In contrast, even on those 2K projectors, I think the 2D M:I 5 trailers looked mostly fantastic.

Having seen the same MI trailer numerous times at the Cinerama with their excellent setup the IMAX preview looked horrible and over processed. We planned on seeing it at the IMAX theater to try something new but quickly ruled that out after seeing the trailer and have reserved the prime seats at the Cinerama for our venture. Looking forward to it.

[Spike M.]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Having seen the same MI trailer numerous times at the Cinerama with their excellent setup the IMAX preview looked horrible and over processed. We planned on seeing it at the IMAX theater to try something new but quickly ruled that out after seeing the trailer and have reserved the prime seats at the Cinerama for our venture. Looking forward to it.

Speaking of which, I'm planning on heading up to Seattle sometime after Christmas to do a double header of Star Wars at the Boeing and The Hateful Eight at Cinerama. I haven't been to Cinerama before. Where would the prime seats be? Keeping in mind that I never like to be looking down or have my eye line at the top third of the screen.

[Penton-Man]

Netflix 4K/UHD offerings in red - https://pr.netflix.com/WebClient/log...tGroupId=10571

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Their *secret sauce* is a bit spicy.

To be precise, the *spicey sauce* is added to the DCDM files which IMAX receives from the studios.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

So, what happened?

Of the variety of HDR proposals, two systems have been/are being examined closely to see which is best for all applications of broadcast television. One is the Dolby (SMPTE 2084 based) for cinema and now for television.

The other being the BBC/NHK joint proposal, which has its own appealing advantages for live television, as I’ve previously outlined. Work proceeds towards releasing a primary draft recommendation.

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Of the variety of HDR proposals, two systems have been/are being examined closely to see which is best for all applications of broadcast television. One is the Dolby (SMPTE 2084 based) for cinema and now for television.

The other being the BBC/NHK joint proposal, which has its own appealing advantages for live television, as I’ve previously outlined. Work proceeds towards releasing a primary draft recommendation.

An article from a few months ago said that the ITU was hoping to decide on the HDR standard for UHDTV by July. Considering the amount of money involved I guess it isn't surprising that the ITU is having trouble deciding on which HDR system to use.

[Penton-Man]

PeterTHX, I fear the exciting action on the field may prove too much for your blood pressure, so imagine a future International or UEFA final live in 4K….

Sony Professional: UEFA Champions League Final captured live in 4K using Sony HDC-4300 - YouTube

and in HDR, which would cure such horrendous clipping in the stadium stands on a bright sunny day, as so….



For then, with the better dynamic ranged image, you could actually make out the colors of the supporters and maybe determine which side scored the best dang tickets.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

An article from a few months ago said that the ITU was hoping to decide on the HDR standard for UHDTV by July. Considering the amount of money involved I guess it isn't surprising that the ITU is having trouble deciding on which HDR system to use.

Patience ….for perspective, 5 years of discussion was needed to come up with Rec. BT. 2020. Favorable progress has been made with the extended image dynamic range solution for broadcast television, you’ll see.

In fact, both proposals have already been shown (together, in the same room) in demo clips to ‘techfluencers’ outside the hidden recesses of the respective working party/study group.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

PeterTHX, I fear the exciting action on the field may prove too much for your blood pressure, so imagine a future International or UEFA final live in 4K….

Sony Professional: UEFA Champions League Final captured live in 4K using Sony HDC-4300 - YouTube


and in HDR, which would cure such horrendous clipping in the stadium stands on a bright sunny day, as so….

[Show spoiler]

For then, with the better dynamic ranged image, you could actually make out the colors of the supporters and maybe determine which side scored the best dang tickets.

That's a shot of the Six Nations rugby though, that might not be enough to set Peter off on another football-related rant.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's a shot of the Six Nations rugby though, that might not be enough to set Peter off on another football-related rant.

ssshhhh. He'd never of known.

[Penton-Man]

So, continuing, inquiring minds might ask….What be thee HDR progress news, if any, out of another standards organization…namely that of SMPTE?

Well, as I’m typing up this post, although, as one can see on the o-fficial website….https://www.smpte.org/standards/meeting-reports



At the current time, only the meeting from March in San Jose ^ is available for perusal right now, at this moment. But for those who just can’t wait, I can inform folks a little about HDR progress from the latest SMPTE meeting this month (July) from down under. Namely, regarding the project - https://kws.smpte.org/kws/public/pro...project_id=241

The study group cancelled their 2-hour planned meeting during this round. Discussion has ceased whilst the draft report (now at version 32) had become somewhat disjointed…is being restructured to make it easier to comment upon.

SMPTE plans to publish a Study Group report on HDR in the 2nd half of the year which is hoped to educate and highlight issues regarding standardization for the content mastering and broadcast ecosystem.

As far as dynamic metadata (info likewise not yet updated on the o-fficial webpage as I type this)…. https://kws.smpte.org/kws/public/pro...project_id=294

The structure of the document suite has been revised as follows:
Document suite:
ST 2094-1 Core Components
ST 2094-2 Syntax and Carrier
ST 2094-10 Application #1
ST 2094-20 Application #2
ST 2094-30 Application #3
ST 2094-40 Application #4

This reflects the four detailed method disclosures received from Dolby, Philips, Technicolor, and Samsung which are sufficiently different to make it impossible to rationalize into a single method. Further Parts will be added if more proponents submit disclosures.

[raygendreau]

The first seven movies listed here are UHD plus HDR downloads. Has anyone successfully played these on a SUHD Samsung display? I have been reading that some Samsung/M-Go issues have not been resolved regarding this.

https://www.mgo.com/list/uhd-with-download-beta?epp=4k

[jono3000]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

The first seven movies listed here are UHD plus HDR downloads. Has anyone successfully played these on a SUHD Samsung display? I have been reading that some Samsung/M-Go issues have not been resolved regarding this.

https://www.mgo.com/list/uhd-with-download-beta?epp=4k

Can't help as I have a SDR UHD LG, but I'm looking forward to upgrading Jingle All the Way to UHD Blu-ray ☺