4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

Yes, it sounds like Sony has no plans for DV support. Yet.

Sony has stated they plan to support Dolby Vision with their UHD Blu-ray software, but Sony electronics hasn't stated anything about DV support for their displays yet. Again, once content starts rolling out I think you'll see most display manufacturers add support for DV. I doubt you'll see hold outs once it becomes the format Netflix and others start using. It isn't like they can't support both DV and HDR10.

[JoeDeM]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Sony has stated they plan to support Dolby Vision with their UHD Blu-ray software, but Sony electronics hasn't stated anything about DV support for their displays yet. Again, once content starts rolling out I think you'll see most display manufacturers add support for DV. I doubt you'll see hold outs once it becomes the format Netflix and others start using. It isn't like they can't support both DV and HDR10.

Which is bad for people like me who are waiting to upgrade to a 2016 model, I can't afford to replace my screen every year while they get their act together.

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by JoeDeM

Which is bad for people like me who are waiting to upgrade to a 2016 model, I can't afford to replace my screen every year while they get their act together.

This is always the gamble with consumer electronics though. If HDR is really important to you, you're probably better off waiting until next year anyways. HDMI 2.1 spec allows for dynamic metadata, which will probably be important, and you're more likely to see more options that support DV. Buying anything right now at literally the dawn of a new format (with MANY variables) is typically ALWAYS a bad idea. Kinks get worked out, tech gets better and the dust settles on adoption when you wait a cycle or two.

[JoeDeM]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

This is always the gamble with consumer electronics though. If HDR is really important to you, you're probably better off waiting until next year anyways. HDMI 2.1 spec allows for dynamic metadata, which will probably be important, and you're more likely to see more options that support DV. Buying anything right now at literally the dawn of a new format (with MANY variables) is typically ALWAYS a bad idea. Kinks get worked out, tech gets better and the dust settles on adoption when you wait a cycle or two.

I hear what your saying, but you know by next year we will be waiting for HDR12 and DV 2.0, this time we really mean it version, the problem with waiting is there is always something better just on the horizon. I just want to enjoy my movies and not have to worry about, dicking around with settings.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by JoeDeM

I hear what your saying, but you know by next year we will be waiting for HDR12 and DV 2.0, this time we really mean it version, the problem with waiting is there is always something better just on the horizon. I just want to enjoy my movies and not have to worry about, dicking around with settings.

We've been told to wait for 4K for 3 years now. There's always something better on the horizon sure, but there's always something better right now as well. HDR10 is a huge visual upgrade for me. It's well worth the upgrade, especially when you due for a TV upgrade anyway. If DV turns out the be big upgrade in its own right (although I don't think the upgrade from HDR10 to DV will be anything near that of BD to UHD BD with HDR10), then hey, we've got another upgrade to look forward to, all in good time. It's not like it's going anywhere. Besides, if we jump in a year or two later then we'll be buying our DV sets for half the price (or less) than the early birds did. It's all good.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

We've been told to wait for 4K for 3 years now. There's always something better on the horizon sure, but there's always something better right now as well. HDR10 is a huge visual upgrade for me. It's well worth the upgrade, especially when you due for a TV upgrade anyway. If DV turns out the be big upgrade in its own right (although I don't think the upgrade from HDR10 to DV will be anything near that of BD to UHD BD with HDR10), then hey, we've got another upgrade to look forward to, all in good time. It's not like it's going anywhere. Besides, if we jump in a year or two later then we'll be buying our DV sets for half the price (or less) than the early birds did. It's all good.

I like the way you worded that, that the difference between hdr10 and DV won't be as significant as going from 1080p sdr to 4k hdr10. The good news though is that the launch prices of tvs this year seem to be about 20% less than last years launch and the tvs are all improved too.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by ray0414

I like the way you worded that, that the difference between hdr10 and DV won't be as significant as going from 1080p sdr to 4k hdr10. The good news though is that the launch prices of tvs this year seem to be about 20% less than last years launch and the tvs are all improved too.

Yeah that's good news. Very surprised to see the 930D at $3500 right out of the gate. That's only $1000 more than the 930C that's supposedly "clearance priced". I do prefer the speakers though. Although I don't hardly use them in my living room setup, they're really nice to have when I move them down the chain to other rooms where I don't have a sound system set up.

Regarding the 930D, it looks like it has a higher peak brightness than the C. But really wonder what performance improvements they made on the 940D. Hopefully something, since it's definitely going to be in the Shootout and I hope it wins.

[skimrn]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Yeah that's good news. Very surprised to see the 930D at $3500 right out of the gate. That's only $1000 more than the 930C that's supposedly "clearance priced". I do prefer the speakers though. Although I don't hardly use them in my living room setup, they're really nice to have when I move them down the chain to other rooms where I don't have a sound system set up.

Regarding the 930D, it looks like it has a higher peak brightness than the C. But really wonder what performance improvements they made on the 940D. Hopefully something, since it's definitely going to be in the Shootout and I hope it wins.

My wife is pretty mad at me, but I am currently shooting for Sony 75X940D or LG OLED65E6P. My 3rd choice would be the 65X930D, only thing that I am little skeptical is that 930D is not full array lighting.

[JoeDeM]

Originally Posted by skimrn

My wife is pretty mad at me, but I am currently shooting for Sony 75X940D or LG OLED65E6P. My 3rd choice would be the 65X930D, only thing that I am little skeptical is that 930D is not full array lighting.

Well what ever that slim back drive is, it seem to work according to a owner on AVS, he claims it looks better than his OLED. I would love to get a 75X940D it's my first choice, but they are currently way more expensive here, our Canadian dollar sucks right now, so I may have to settle for the 65X930D, or the 75X850D which are the same price here. I still have some time so I'm waiting a little longer to see what shakes out with the others.

[skimrn]

Originally Posted by JoeDeM

Well what ever that slim back drive is, it seem to work according to a owner on AVS, he claims it looks better than his OLED. I would love to get a 75X940D it's my first choice, but they are currently way more expensive here, our Canadian dollar sucks right now, so I may have to settle for the 65X930D, or the 75X850D which are the same price here. I still have some time so I'm waiting a little longer to see what shakes out with the others.

I also thought about 75X850D, I rather sacrifice quality over size, so everything being equal 75X850D has same retail price as 65X930D. The problem is that 850D doesn't have 3D!!! This is a main reason I don't want 75X850D because I have about 20 3D Bluray movies.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by skimrn

My wife is pretty mad at me, but I am currently shooting for Sony 75X940D or LG OLED65E6P. My 3rd choice would be the 65X930D, only thing that I am little skeptical is that 930D is not full array lighting.

940c over the 930D all day. The cheapest and safest option is definitely the 940c.

[thatguy1985]

Probably a dumb question, but is there a possibility that we'll see a UHD + BD region free player considering UHD is already region free?

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by thatguy1985

Probably a dumb question, but is there a possibility that we'll see a UHD + BD region free player considering UHD is already region free?

I doubt it since it goes against the BDA's licensing agreement to do region free BD playback. So I don't see anyone breaking the rules and risking their business to add a feature like that.

[thatguy1985]

I guess I meant a mod like this guy - http://www.220-electronics.com/regio...opby/oppo.html

But thank you for the feedback.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by thatguy1985

I guess I meant a mod like this guy - http://www.220-electronics.com/regio...opby/oppo.html

But thank you for the feedback.

I'm sure there will be region free mods for the regular Blu-ray section, especially for the Oppo and any other Chinese knockoff UHD players.

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Hard to say. DV for UHD Blu supports 12 bit, and based on the perceptual models there is zero chance for banding if authored correctly, whereas 10 bit HDR10 still has a pretty good chance for banding in parts of the image (though reduced from typical Blu-ray). DV is also based on a completely different system for HDR that uses dynamic metadata that could be used by the display. This results in a much more robust system for not only calibration but operation of zone based dynamic contrast systems.

It is unclear right now how many studios will switch over to DV once the tols are in place for authoring on UHD Blu-ray. But Warner, Sony, Universal and MGM have all stated that they plan on using it with their home releases, so I think they are all safe bets. Fox has support Dolby with their cinema releases so there is a chance there too. Vudu uses it now for their UHD streaming and Netflix will be adding it as their HDR solution as well. I'm sure over the next year or so you'll be seeing more support for it from hardware.

Do we have any sort of read on when those tools will be available to make Dolby Vision Ultra HD blu rays? Also, do we have any read on when Dolby Vision UHD blu-ray players might hit the market?

Vizio has caused quite a stir with their P Series "Monitors", and i must say the screen shots of Dolby Vision thus far (from streaming) look outstanding. I can't wait...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Esox50

Vizio has caused quite a stir with their P Series "Monitors", and i must say the screen shots of Dolby Vision thus far (from streaming) look outstanding. I can't wait...

I haven’t been following their most current TV announcements, but I do know that they caused quite a stir several days ago with the UHD Alliance….http://www.broadcastingcable.com/new...andards/154965

I wonder if there will be any response to the planned Ultra HD Forum guidelines announcement in April at NAB - http://www.nabshow.com/attend/4k-uhd-hdr . I’ll be there.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Sony has stated they plan to support Dolby Vision with their UHD Blu-ray software, but Sony electronics hasn't stated anything about DV support for their displays yet. Again, once content starts rolling out I think you'll see most display manufacturers add support for DV. I doubt you'll see hold outs once it becomes the format Netflix and others start using. It isn't like they can't support both DV and HDR10.

Do you think a firmware update will be available (for HDR10 displays and projectors) to add Dolby Vision? I seem to recall reading that Dolby Vision uses the HDR10 layer.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Do you think a firmware update will be available (for HDR10 displays and projectors) to add Dolby Vision? I seem to recall reading that Dolby Vision uses the HDR10 layer.

Well, the UHD Dolby Vision discs will have an HDR10 layer with the DV enhancement layer on top, but that's not the same thing as the latter being compatible with the former because they're two distinct layers.

BUT, as I understand it, DV uses the same EOTF (SMPTE ST 2084) as HDR10 so the simplest logic would certainly indicate that compatibility with 2084 may mean that some HDR10 equipment has a foot in the door re: later Dolby Vision upgrades - and yet, why have two separate HDR layers if it's simply a case of repurposing the HDR Perceptual Quantizer (PQ) inside the player & display?

No, there's gotta be more to it than that, perhaps something along the lines of needing more processing power for the 12-bit DV output (once decoded anyway, as the actual enhancement layer itself is only 1920x1080)? Dunno, I'm just shooting in the dark. Hopefully someone with actual facts will come along shortly.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Do you think a firmware update will be available (for HDR10 displays and projectors) to add Dolby Vision? I seem to recall reading that Dolby Vision uses the HDR10 layer.

Dolby Vision is 12 bit and has a higher HDR quality standard. You cannot make a display go past its intrinsic panel capabilities with a firmware update.

DV encoded discs must have an HDR10 base layer and non DV compatible displays and players will ignore the secondary data later and only read the HDR10 layer.

It's the same idea as the audio codecs included in the Blu-ray format already. The various data layers are embedded like Russian nesting dolls.