Netflix Turns Focus Back to Disc

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Clearly my post went right over your head, as evidenced by your response.
Of course I don't know, or care, how you maintain your lawn it was an example...and example that you failed to see.

I saw your example, but you failed to understand my post.

1) like most people obsessed with forcing DL on people that don't have crappy set-ups and care for quality, your tunnel vision was applied to your assumption and you assumed, probably like yourself, I wear a suit to work and mow my lawn. The analogy does not work at all, if ,like myself when I work from home, it is shorts and a T-shirt

2) that if someone wears a suit to work and does not when they mow the lawn, it is probably because they are forced to wear one to work, how does that analogy apply here, if a day comes when there is no more BD or no more DVD or not anything else but crappy quality DL then your analogy would work (I.e. forced to watch crappy DL the same way you are forced to wear a suit at work), but like I said before people have a choice what they watch and on what display, so why should I limit myself to a 37" TV or smaller and watch Netflix streaming when I have a nice 10' wide screen and a nice 61" diagonal TV? just because that other poster with a 37" TV thinks that at that size Netflix becomes acceptable?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

1) like most people obsessed with forcing DL on people that don't have crappy set-ups and care for quality,...

For the sake of this question I'll assume there are people obsessed with forcing streaming on others.

How are they going about that, exactly?

(and no, I haven't been closely following this thread so I'm not staking out a side or anything...that just strikes me as an odd claim)

[krazeyeyez]

Originally Posted by victorvondoom88

Thanks! I just watched the EE of LoTR: The Two Towers it was EPIC

Krazeyeyez,
I'm not seeing any "superior" attitudes. I certainly don't mean to come across that way if I did. I am a Netflix user/subscriber and a HT enthusiast. I use my projector as my TV 80% of my viewing is done on it. I do watch some SD content though it is scaled up. That also isn't the same as a blu-ray not even close. Does it look okay? yeah. Does it look as good as blu-ray? NOPE.
What I do see is people opposing the "streaming HD is as good as blu-ray" and it isn't. That is a fact.
Oh and I'm done with this discussion as I've said my peace.

Yeah i know, it was a joke when you said "perhaps the word lazy offended you", what i meant when i said since you said it, was actually... "since you brought it up", "that reminds me", "now that you mention it", etc....

There are many in this thread who i would agree with when it comes to perspectives on netflix and other streaming based rental services including your own you just mentioned, but there are many more on this site especially recently like steedeel who offer no real argument other then to downgrade. I find many of the sites attitudes to be far less helpful and informative then it was when i originally joined. At least it is entertaining though, this is always the first section of the forum i look at when i hop on this site.

Streaming is not going to replace physical media anytime soon, but as an additional source to blu-ray, cable, etc... its a great feature with a lot of current and future potential for both HT enthusiasts and casual movie goers alike.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I saw your example, but you failed to understand my post.

1) like most people obsessed with forcing DL on people that don't have crappy set-ups and care for quality, your tunnel vision was applied to your assumption and you assumed, probably like yourself, I wear a suit to work and mow my lawn. The analogy does not work at all, if ,like myself when I work from home, it is shorts and a T-shirt

2) that if someone wears a suit to work and does not when they mow the lawn, it is probably because they are forced to wear one to work, how does that analogy apply here, if a day comes when there is no more BD or no more DVD or not anything else but crappy quality DL then your analogy would work (I.e. forced to watch crappy DL the same way you are forced to wear a suit at work), but like I said before people have a choice what they watch and on what display, so why should I limit myself to a 37" TV or smaller and watch Netflix streaming when I have a nice 10' wide screen and a nice 61" diagonal TV? just because that other poster with a 37" TV thinks that at that size Netflix becomes acceptable?

Listen, the analogy that you did not get, was a total general one! I have no idea: what you do, what you wear, or who you are...and I couldn't care less! So please stop explaining to me your personal daily activities, as they have no bearing here. My point was, that the original poster liked blu-ray's on the screen AND Netflix stream on the smaller TV.... HIS PERSONAL PREFERNECE, NOT MINE! Are you keeping up so far?
Then YOU said:

"I don’t get it. You have an issue with people calling Netflix streaming trash but you admit that you don’t watch it on your projector and are forced to use a 37” display. To me that is the definition of trash if it is not good enough for what it is meant to be used with, I am in no mood to go buy a smaller TV just so that I can pretend that it is watchable."

First when did he say he was "forced"? Second, nobody said YOU had to go out and buy another TV to be used, solely, for Netflix Streaming. Third, you act like I AM trying to force Netflix Stream on everyone...had you paid attention earlier you would have seen that I said I cancelled my streaming as I didn't use it that much!
I could use any number of analogies to explain your logic here:
1) Do you wear a suit to cut the lawn? If not, must be trash!
2) Do you use your outdoor grill for everyday cooking? If not must be trash!
3) Do you always drink champaigne with dinner? If not must be trash!
4) If you have a Ferrari and a Honda, do you drive the Ferrari everyday to work? If not it must be trash!
5) If you have (insert high value item here) and don't use it all the time, then it must be trash...according to your logic.
And let's not even take into consideration here that a lot of people like/enjoy/use Netflix to stream content that is not available on BD! So just because someone may like to do this on a smaller set up, it should be considered trash, in YOUR opinion?

[Steedeel]

Exactly! Bluray. Too many fence sitters. If you have a nice home cinema setup get behind this wonderful format and stop supporting (in my opinion) backwards, flawed, unreliable third rate options. Large screens support full hd, dont abuse your set by feeding it 2 percent of its potential.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by krazeyeyez

Whether that person doesn't have as a good a tv, or opts for a HTIB, or watches movies and tv from multiple sources. I find that amusing that so many find themselves with such an elitist attitude based on their electronics and possessions.
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I don't think it is elitism, it is like going to a muscle car, luxery car or sports car forum and saying that a Lada or stock cheapest Civic is just as good and then calling the people there elitists because they point out that those are unacceptable cars for those catagories. Now if all someone is interested in getting from A to B then yes either of those two cars might do, but if someone is in a luxury car forum they are probably looking for features and comfort that is not in the Civic or Lada, if they are in a muscle car forum they are probably looking for more power and if a sports car then something that will be more exciting.

This site is for people who are interested in high quality movie viewing and BDs in particular, that is why it is called Blu-ray.com if someone does not care for high quality, there is nothing wrong with that, I am sure there are forums for people that care about DVD and others for people that care about Netflix and don’t care for something better. I don’t get why they need to be here and post BS like "anyone that does not use Netflix is a fan boy because Netflix streaming has its place in anyone’s choice of movie viewing and looks as good as BD" or "Netflix is not trash, I don't watch it on my projector but when I sit on my 37" TV it is acceptable"

[Steedeel]

Rick, stop using daft examples then. If you do not support streaming why are you defending it? People are accusing me and others of being 'elitist' but your replies seem to suggest you think you are intelectually superior by constantly referring to our ability to 'keep up' with conversations. Double standards really. We understand what you are saying, we just disagree completely.
That is just how i see it.

[Steedeel]

Victor, i have watched lotr and was hugely impressed. Suppose i will have to watch jurassic park trilogy, star wars boxset, lion king, and belatedly alien boxset by christmas. It is going to be an enjoyable few sessions.

[krazeyeyez]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I don't think it is elitism, it is like going to a muscle car, luxery car or sports car forum and saying that a Lada or stock cheapest Civic is just as good and then calling the people there elitists because they point out that those are unacceptable cars for those catagories. Now if all someone is interested in getting from A to B then yes either of those two cars might do, but if someone is in a luxury car forum they are probably looking for features and comfort that is not in the Civic or Lada, if they are in a muscle car forum they are probably looking for more power and if a sports car then something that will be more exciting.

This site is for people who are interested in high quality movie viewing and BDs in particular, that is why it is called Blu-ray.com if someone does not care for high quality, there is nothing wrong with that, I am sure there are forums for people that care about DVD and others for people that care about Netflix and don’t care for something better. I don’t get why they need to be here and post BS like "anyone that does not use Netflix is a fan boy because Netflix streaming has its place in anyone’s choice of movie viewing and looks as good as BD" or "Netflix is not trash, I don't watch it on my projector but when I sit on my 37" TV it is acceptable"

I fully agree thats a cop out and i don't see why anyone would say that, the same as i don't know why anyone would say to someone else netflix should not be a part of their HT.

Can't agree on the sentiment of the site however as it has grown since you and I joined. Way back when news of studios hopping lines, limited releases, constant firmware and feature changes and BOGO's were a daily occurrence. What we have now is much more a general media forum.

Caring for high quality is fine and good, and 10 years from now i will agree with you lol, but as it stands now there is tons and tons of stuff not available on blu-ray however some of that is available streaming in HD and with a proper connection is the best format currently available for said content, and while it is not as crispy as blu-ray in terms of both audio and video, i would have a hard time calling it trash. To each his own i guess.

Im going to sign up for netflix for a month or two to watch some trek and get caught up on some anime, but i doubt it will become a permanent addition in my household, but it does work for others.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Listen, the analogy that you did not get, was a total general one! I have no idea: what you do, what you wear, or who you are...and I couldn't care less! So please stop explaining to me your personal daily activities, as they have no bearing here. My point was, that the original poster liked blu-ray's on the screen AND Netflix stream on the smaller TV.... HIS PERSONAL PREFERNECE, NOT MINE! Are you keeping up so far?
Then YOU said:

the issue is not a personal preference one. There is an obvious reason he watches it on his small TV and not the projector which he has. If all he had was a 37" TV the question would not have been raised but if Netflix was not trash and it was good enough then he would not limit it to his 37" TV but it would coexist on his projector, maybe sometimes he would watch it on his 37" TV, that is not the issue, but while admitting to himself that Netflix is unmatchable on a large projector screen he takes offence to anyone that characterizes it as trash because he can watch it on his 37" TV

"I don’t get it. You have an issue with people calling Netflix streaming trash but you admit that you don’t watch it on your projector and are forced to use a 37” display. To me that is the definition of trash if it is not good enough for what it is meant to be used with, I am in no mood to go buy a smaller TV just so that I can pretend that it is watchable."

First when did he say he was "forced"?

maybe you don't understand, but there is an obvious reason he watches it on his TV instead of the projector. The quality of the content is not there for it to be pleasurable. Before I bought a BD player and disks in 2006 I used DVD like everyone else, I was sitting at around 1.8 screen widths away, if I sat any closer the lack of picture quality and digital artefacts would make it unmatchable when I could see true 1080p at home (got BD player and new 1080p projector) I increased my screen size and moved my seat to roughly 1 screen width away because I could. Before that the lack of quality forced me to sit that far on the smaller screen. The bigger the image and the closer you sit the more detail you can see but everything wrong with what you are watching also increases.

Second, nobody said YOU had to go out and buy another TV to be used, solely, for Netflix Streaming.

yes he is, if Netflix streaming looks like trash on every TV I have because I don't have a 37" (or smaller) TV to watch it on so it is acceptable (going from what he said), then it is trash, the only way it would not be trash is if I was using a smaller TV to the point where the incredible amounts of artefacts were too small to be objectionable. The issue is that people are blasted for calling it trash when on all the stuff they have it actually does look like trash and for that person in particular because he finds it acceptable as long as he sticks to his 37" TV instead of the projector he has.

Third, you act like I AM trying to force Netflix Stream on everyone...had you paid attention earlier you would have seen that I said I cancelled my streaming as I didn't use it that much!

no I am pointing out why your analogy does not make sense. Steedeel said Netflix looks like trash, that other guy *****ed and attacked him because no one is allowed to say it looks like trash, steedeel asked him about his projector and the guy replied that he does not use the projector for Netflix and only uses it for BDs but he has a 37" he uses to watch Netflix and on it, and since the image is good enough on it no one should be allowed to call Netflix trash. Now I have no idea who that guy is or how demanding he is of his picture, I have no idea who steedeel is or what he has at home, but if on his set-up it looks like trash then why shouldn't he be allowed to say so?

I could use any number of analogies to explain your logic here:
1) Do you wear a suit to cut the lawn? If not, must be trash!
2) Do you use your outdoor grill for everyday cooking? If not must be trash!
3) Do you always drink champaigne with dinner? If not must be trash!
4) If you have a Ferrari and a Honda, do you drive the Ferrari everyday to work? If not it must be trash!
5) If you have (insert high value item here) and don't use it all the time, then it must be trash...according to your logic.

but your examples don't make sense, I did not call his projector or BD (high value item) trash because he watches a 36" TV from time to time. Steedeel called Netflix PQ trash because he finds it unacceptable for the display he uses to watch movies, that other guy complained that Netflix is not Trash because he is willing to watch it on his 37" TV instead of his projector, if you want your suite/lawn mowing example, it would be like someone going into work where there is a dress code of suit and tie in shorts and a T-shirt and when his boss complaints saying “ shorts and T-shirt are un acceptable” saying " shorts and a T-shirt is acceptable when I mow the lawn, so it should be acceptable at work"

And let's not even take into consideration here that a lot of people like/enjoy/use Netflix to stream content that is not available on BD! So just because someone may like to do this on a smaller set up, it should be considered trash, in YOUR opinion?

no, Netflix streaming is trash because it is what it is and I am who I am. I never said no one should use Netflix streaming, the issue is that guy obviously also realizes it is trash which is why he also refuses to watch it on his projector just like me. But since he also has a small TV, which I don't since I don't want to watch anything on a small TV because it takes away from the content, and he considers it acceptable at that size we should pretend that there is something wrong with admitting netflix looks like trash. Now if he only had that 37" TV and found it acceptable and did not attack people for pointing out that Netflix streaming looks like trash then I would not have said anything, but since he said he has a projector and said that it is for BD only and said that he has a 37" TV for Netflix and on it it looks acceptable (as opposed to his projector which is why he does not watch it there but limits it to BD) I do have an issue with him, because he attacks people knowing full well that Netflix is unacceptable on a decent size screen (since he equally finds it unacceptable) just because he is willing to compromise and watch it on a itsy bitsy screen.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Rick, stop using daft examples then. If you do not support streaming why are you defending it? People are accusing me and others of being 'elitist' but your replies seem to suggest you think you are intelectually superior by constantly referring to our ability to 'keep up' with conversations. Double standards really. We understand what you are saying, we just disagree completely.
That is just how i see it.

I said I don't use Streaming that much so I cancelled, I never said I don't support it. I'm in favor of Streaming as a viable option, I'm all for having as many options at my disposal as I possibly can.
I never accused you of being elitist. I accused you of making braod/general/ignorant statements like this one:
"dvd is better than Netflix streaming"
I'm glad that's how YOU see it.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by krazeyeyez

I fully agree thats a cop out and i don't see why anyone would say that, the same as i don't know why anyone would say to someone else netflix should not be a part of their HT.

but has anyone said Netflix streaming should not be part of some persons viewing? If so I must have missed it. I did go on vacation for a bit but all I saw where people bashing steedeel for saying Netflix looks like trash.

Can't agree on the sentiment of the site however as it has grown since you and I joined. Way back when news of studios hopping lines, limited releases, constant firmware and feature changes and BOGO's were a daily occurrence. What we have now is much more a general media forum.

agree in part, but the site still is what it is, it should not be the job of a forum and all the existing members to change because some newbs want it differently. Don't get me wrong it should go beyond BD and hopefully when something better comes along that it will move with the times, I also don't go into the Netflix streaming thread in the movie section because there is nothing wrong with people that find it acceptable, but I do take an issue when people keep blasting that Everyone should find Netflix acceptable when it isn't.

Caring for high quality is fine and good, and 10 years from now i will agree with you lol, but as it stands now there is tons and tons of stuff not available on blu-ray however some of that is available streaming in HD
and with a proper connection is the best format currently available for said content

and there are tons of stuff available on BD, why must one choose? I just watch now what is available on BD and when the stuff you are watching now that is not out on BDdoes become available on BD I will see them then. There are way too many titles to pick from on BD and not enough time to see them all. Personaly I have almost 30 movies on my unwatched shelf (movies I have bought on BD but have yet to play once-not necesserily movies I have never watched on an other format or somewhere else) over 700 on the rest of the shelves, about a dozen that are in the mail (B&N Criterion, Amazon.ca & BB.ca) and my SW preorder. Why do I need to watch some title on way over compressed Netflix streaming when I have ~30 movies in my collection I have yet to see? and let's face it, before I see those 30 movies or even all the rest I bought bor pre-orderd but have yet to receive I am sure a lot more would have been added to my collection. Now if we were 5 years ago and the BD titles where limited in number, maybe your point would make sense (why limit yourself to the 10 titles out on BD when there are thousands on DVD) but with 2500+ (going off of some peoples collections to choose from) does it realy make any sense to not be able to find something good to watch on BD if someone wanted to watch a BD?

and while it is not as crispy as blu-ray in terms of both audio and video, i would have a hard time calling it trash. To each his own i guess.

disagree with the first part, but agree with the second.

Im going to sign up for netflix for a month or two to watch some trek and get caught up on some anime, but i doubt it will become a permanent addition in my household, but it does work for others.

no issue with that.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

the issue is not a personal preference one. There is an obvious reason he watches it on his small TV and not the projector which he has. If all he had was a 37" TV the question would not have been raised but if Netflix was not trash and it was good enough then he would not limit it to his 37" TV but it would coexist on his projector, maybe sometimes he would watch it on his 37" TV, that is not the issue, but while admitting to himself that Netflix is unmatchable on a large projector screen he takes offence to anyone that characterizes it as trash because he can watch it on his 37" TV

I'm really wasting time with you here...as you can't see the forest from the trees! Of course there's an obvious reason he wants to watch whatever content on whichever tv he decides...it's called personal preference!
Just because he watches it on a smaller screen does not make it trash...wow you are starting to sound elitist.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

maybe you don't understand, but there is an obvious reason he watches it on his TV instead of the projector. The quality of the content is not there for it to be pleasurable. Before I bought a BD player and disks in 2006 I used DVD like everyone else, I was sitting at around 1.8 screen widths away, if I sat any closer the lack of picture quality and digital artefacts would make it unmatchable when I could see true 1080p at home (got BD player and new 1080p projector) I increased my screen size and moved my seat to roughly 1 screen width away because I could. Before that the lack of quality forced me to sit that far on the smaller screen. The bigger the image and the closer you sit the more detail you can see but everything wrong with what you are watching also increases.

Of course the quaity of streaming is lesser, nobody is disputing that. You keep exlpaining things that are obvious: water = wet, fire = hot, etc.
Your viewing habits have no bearing on this conversation...you keep doing that: bringing up tidbits about YOUR presonal life that have nothing to do with this conversation.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

yes he is, if Netflix streaming looks like trash on every TV I have because I don't have a 37" (or smaller) TV to watch it on so it is acceptable (going from what he said), then it is trash, the only way it would not be trash is if I was using a smaller TV to the point where the incredible amounts of artefacts were too small to be objectionable. The issue is that people are blasted for calling it trash when on all the stuff they have it actually does look like trash and for that person in particular because he finds it acceptable as long as he sticks to his 37" TV instead of the projector he has.

All this statement of yours tells me: He who has the world's best set up wins! Suppose, for example, YOU have a $40,000 set up(this means DON'T tell me what your actual setup is), the guy with a $100,000 setup could easily use your logic and say: AnthonyP's set is trash because, according to ME, his is smaller therefore it's inferior. Meanwhile, Netflix has over 23million subscribers, care to guess how many of them stream? I'd be willing to say quite a few...now are we going to breakdown their systems 1 by 1? Be my guest.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

no I am pointing out why your analogy does not make sense. Steedeel said Netflix looks like trash, that other guy *****ed and attacked him because no one is allowed to say it looks like trash, steedeel asked him about his projector and the guy replied that he does not use the projector for Netflix and only uses it for BDs but he has a 37" he uses to watch Netflix and on it, and since the image is good enough on it no one should be allowed to call Netflix trash. Now I have no idea who that guy is or how demanding he is of his picture, I have no idea who steedeel is or what he has at home, but if on his set-up it looks like trash then why shouldn't he be allowed to say so?

Hmmm, again with the elitist attitude. So in YOUR mind anyone with a 37" tv that streams Netflix should be considered a trash setup? Correct?
Yes, my analogies make total sense, it's just YOU refuse to understand them.
You mention steedeel, this is the guy that says dvd is better than netflix stream...are you ready to defend THAT cause as well? Sounds like you two are made for one another!

Originally Posted by Anthony P

but your examples don't make sense, I did not call his projector or BD (high value item) trash because he watches a 36" TV from time to time. Steedeel called Netflix PQ trash because he finds it unacceptable for the display he uses to watch movies, that other guy complained that Netflix is not Trash because he is willing to watch it on his 37" TV instead of his projector, if you want your suite/lawn mowing example, it would be like someone going into work where there is a dress code of suit and tie in shorts and a T-shirt and when his boss complaints saying “ shorts and T-shirt are un acceptable” saying " shorts and a T-shirt is acceptable when I mow the lawn, so it should be acceptable at work"

Again, this last statement proves to me that you are totally missing my point, and I am wasting my time trying to explain it to you.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

no, Netflix streaming is trash because it is what it is and I am who I am. I never said no one should use Netflix streaming, the issue is that guy obviously also realizes it is trash which is why he also refuses to watch it on his projector just like me. But since he also has a small TV, which I don't since I don't want to watch anything on a small TV because it takes away from the content, and he considers it acceptable at that size we should pretend that there is something wrong with admitting netflix looks like trash. Now if he only had that 37" TV and found it acceptable and did not attack people for pointing out that Netflix streaming looks like trash then I would not have said anything, but since he said he has a projector and said that it is for BD only and said that he has a 37" TV for Netflix and on it it looks acceptable (as opposed to his projector which is why he does not watch it there but limits it to BD) I do have an issue with him, because he attacks people knowing full well that Netflix is unacceptable on a decent size screen (since he equally finds it unacceptable) just because he is willing to compromise and watch it on a itsy bitsy screen.

Ah-hah, a total elitist statement...so my suspicions were correct! Just because someone HAS multiple viewing options and views content on whichever setup they want doesn't make the "lesser" option trash! When will you understand this? Oh wait, as an elitist you probably never will, my bad.
I have Directv and dvr shows all the time, some channels are ONLY available in SD. If I dvr that show on my HD dvr then send it to a SD tv to watch it there is that considered trash? Of course not! I would rather watch the "lesser" content on the "lesser" setup, as it won't look as good on the HD setup. It's, by no means, considered trash.
Now that I know you're such an elitist, I realize it's going to be impossible to explain any of this to you.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Some screencaps from Lost streaming on a PC. Click to enlarge.





Those look great enough for the convenience of streaming. they look even better in motion.

[Steedeel]

Pointless posting still images. Compression works on a frame by frame basis.

Rick, dvd has a more consistent picture. You are at the mercy of certain conditions with a stream sucb as traffic, other members of household using internet, connection issues, isp problems and having to put up with dropped resolution or detail (even with strong connection sometimes). Dvd at least has been mastered already and on my 50 inch panasonic plasma looks superior in terms of consistency. I am obviously aware of increased resolution on stream but i prefer to watcb my films without being at the mercy of the afore mentioned issues. Its about the artefacts and i struggle to get past them.

[Steedeel]

JL Tucker, you should have bought Lost on Bluray. It looks great!

[Steedeel]

So, you are watching on a pc monitor?

[raygendreau]

I'm keeping the mailed BD option from Netflix and have dropped streaming which saves me $2.00 a month. For now VUDU will take up the slack for streaming. The PQ and AQ is better and 3D selections are available. Sometimes the 5 cent and 99 cent movies are worth watching. VUDU claims they have 1080P video quality with their HDX which requires 4.5 Mbps. I disagree, but the PQ is acceptable with my 18 Mbps wireless connection.

http://supports.vudu.com/questions/2...+is+TruFilm%3F

I thought about resurrecting my Blockbuster Account, but none of my Sony devices are supported.

[Steedeel]

Unfortunately, there are plenty of gullible people who believe they are going to get true HD when streaming. In my opinion, that is certainly not the case.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

JL Tucker, you should have bought Lost on Bluray. It looks great!

Clearly I'm going to pay for $150+ for a series when I don't have the money. Fiscal responsibility, right?

Originally Posted by Steedeel

So, you are watching on a pc monitor?

Yes, because HDTVs are overpriced and as a student with insane medical bills, it isn't feasible to buy one. Go ahead and tell me that my opinion is worthless because I watch HD content on one, even though I admit streaming does have downsides. Wait, I mean faux-HD content because HD content is only on a BD disc.

You still haven't addressed my convenience argument. All you're focused on is NOT HD CONTENT!